YourSix VSaaS + Axis Cameras Tested

Published May 12, 2022 13:28 PM

******** ***** *** *** ******** ***** offering, **** ******* ********************* ** *********.

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** ****** ******* *** ** **** report, ** ******* *******'* ***** **** strengths *** **********, ********* * ***********:

  • **** ******** *** ************* ** ******* compared ** ***** ***** *********?
  • **** ****** ** ****** **** *****?
  • *** **** **** ********* ***** ****?
  • **** ** **** **** *** ***** IP *******?
  • **** ***** ********* *** *******/*********?

***** ******* ****** ******* ** *** cloud, ********* ** **** *******, *** lack ** **** ****** ********* *** features *** *****-***** ******* *** ********* limitations. *** ******* **** ***** ******* is ****** ***** **** **** *** they *** ******* ** ******* ******* improvements.

Key ********

******* ****** ***** **** ********* *** playback ***********, **** *** ******* **** streaming ** *** *** ****** *******.

*******, *** ******* ******** ** ********* inferior ** **** ***/*******, ******* ****** features (*.*. *****/********* ******, *** ***** camera *******, *******, ******* *********, ***.) and ** ***** **/** ****** *** minor *************** ** ************ ******* *** web ****** *** ****** ***.

**** **** ******* *** ********* *********, though ******* ***** ** ******* ***** support ***** **** ****. ***** **** offers * ***** ***** ** *******, intercoms, *** *******, *** ************ ***** integrator ************, **** **** ********* ** maintain ********** ******* ****** ** ****** years, ****** * **** ** *******.

Future ************

******* **** ********* ******* ** **** have **** **** ** *********** ***** early **** ******* **** **** ****** ******* ******* in ******* **** **** ***** ******* ******** missing ******** ** ***** **** *******. However, *** ************ ******* ********** ************ remains ** ** ****, *** ***** self-funded ***** ***** *********** ******** ** other**-****** ****-****** ***********.

**** **** **-**** ******* ************ ** substantial ******* *** ********.

Missing ********

** *******, ** ***** **** *******'* primary ******** ** * **** ** many ******** ***** *** ***** **** video ********* ********.

*** *******, **** ** *** ******** commonly ***** ** ***/***** ** *******:

  • *****/*********/***** ******
  • ********* ** *** ********* (**** ** the ****** ***)
  • ********* ******
  • **** ** ******** ******
  • ***********
  • ******* ******
  • *******
  • ****** ***** *** **** *************

************, ** ** **** ******* ******** that *** ******** ***** ** *******:

  • *********/**********/***** ******* **********
  • ****/********* ******
  • **** ****** *******
  • ********/******** ***** *******
  • ******* ****** ******* (*.*. *******/***/****** ***** you ** *** * ******* **/**/** preference)
  • ***** ** ********* *******
  • *** ***** ****** ******* *********** (**** Access *********** *********)

Non-Axis ****** ******* ****** ** ****

******* **** **** *** ** *********** for * ******** ****** ** ******* ONVIF *********** ** ***-**** *******:

** *** ** ******* *********** ** an ***** ******, ******* ***** ** proper ******, ***. ** *** ********* a ** ****** ** **** ******** with *** **** ****** ***** *********, etc ***** ****** **** ** * more ****** ****** ** ***** ******** with ** ****** ****.

**** **** ******** ******* ** *** possibility ** * ********-***** ******:

******** *** ** *** ** *** investigating ** ** *** **** * virtual ********* ********* ** *** **** image **** ** ****** *** ****-********** as ** **** ** ** **.

System ******** ******

*** ********* **-****** ***** ********* *** web ********* *** ********** ******** *** negative **** ********:

*** ********* *-****** ***** ********* *** mobile *** *********:

No *****/*****/********* ******

*** **** *********** ******* ******* ** missing ** ***** ***** ****** (*.*. Motion, *********, ******, ***), ****** ******* supports **** ****** ****** ********* ***, Axis ****** *********, ***** *****, ***., and ******** **** ** *** ********:

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*******, ***** ** ** ****** ** the *** ** ****** *******, ****** the ****** *** ****** *** ******* to **** ******* ****** ** *** timeline:

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******* **** **** ****** ***** ****** was ** *********** *** ***** ** launched *** ** ** ****:

******* ******* *** ********** ****** ****** for *** ** ** *** **** will ***** ** *** ** *** existing ****** ******** ****** **** **** cloud **** ********* *** ********* ************ + ***** ** *** ***** ***** of *** **** ***

Multi-Camera ********

***** ******* **** *** ***** ***** searching, * **** ****** ***** *******, synchronized *****-****** ******** ****** **** ** testing:

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***** ****** ** *****, *****-****** ******** is **** ** *****, ****** ******* does *** ***** ************ ******** (*.*. viewing ********* ***** ** *** **** or ********* *******) *** **** ******* investigations.

Axis *** / ****** ********* *********

******** *** ****/******** ********* ***** ****, with ***** *** ***** *******. ****** are ***** ** *** ********:

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Live ******* *****

** ***** *** **** ******* ********* clean *** ***** ****, **** ******* buffering:

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** *** ** ******** ******* ** VSaaSes *** ******** ****** ***** ***** live ********** ***** **** **** *** rely ** ****** *****/**** ******** (*.*. 4x4, * ***** **** * *****, etc), ******* ******** *** ******** ******* and **** ***********. *******, ** **** center ******* *** ***** *****, ***** can **** ***, *** **** *** prevent ***** **** ******** "********" **** layouts (******* ** **** ***** ***/*****):

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Multi-Imagers *********

*****-******* *** *********, ****** ** ***** the ********** ******* ***** *** **** camera ****, ***** ***** *** **** to ****** *** *****-****** ***** ****** you *** *** ** *** ******** camera/imagers:

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******* ******** **** *****-******* **** *** 1 ************ *******, *** ***** ******* is ******** *** ******.

UX ******

***** ** ***** *** ******* *** interface ** ** * ***** ****** with *** ****** ** ****** ******** menus, ***** *** * *** ****** that ********** ****** ***** *****/*************, ****** would ****** *** ****** ***** ********** users ****** ******** **** *****.

******** **** *** **** ***** ****** Has **********

**** ******* ******** ******* **** *** recording ** *** **** ****** ** storage, ** ********** *** **** ***** of ******, *** ** *** ******* indicators *** ***** ***** (*** **** that *** *********) *** ***** ** the ********:

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******* ***** ** ** ******, ** a **** ** ******* *** ********* or ****** *** * ******** ******, they ***** **** ** ****** * view **** **** **** ****** ** it ** **** ***** ****** ******/********* is ***** ***** ** *** ********.

***** ******** **** **** **** ******

** *** ***** ****-****** ******* ****, there ** ** *** ** ****/*****/****** the *****, ** **** **** ** not *********:

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******* **** **** **** ** ******* soon:

********* ***** ******** ** **** ****** ****’* ******** ******* ** ********** on ****** **** (**** ***** ********) and **** ** ***** **** ** web *** ****** ** ****.

*** ******** ******* ***** ***** ******

** ***** **** *****-**-****** *** ************ manual *** ******* ****** ****, *******, we ***** **** **** *****-**-****** ** the ****** ***** **** ** *** correct ******** **** **** ******** ** the ******* **** **** ** *** on *** ****** ******. **** ** likely ** ***** ********* **** ********** or ****** ****** **** ********* * menu ****** (*.*. ****** **********, **** screen, ***.)

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*** ******* ******* *********

***** ******* **** *** ***** ******* dewarping, ** **** ******* **** ******* cameras, *******, *** ** ******* *** shown ** *** ****** ****, ***** could ** ********* *** *****, *** unnecessary *** ****:

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***** **** ** *** ********, ** many ***** ******* **** *** *** needed ** ****** *** ** **** can ****** ** ********.

Camera **********

******* ******** ***-******* ******* ******* ** *** *****, which ** ***** *** ***-**-*** *******, and ** **** ** *** ****** has ** ******** ********** *** ********* just ***** **** *** ******'* ******* button *** * *******. *******, ****** Numbers *** *** ***** *** **** camera **** ** ** ***** ** the ******* *********:

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***** **** ***** ********* ******* ** code ******** ** ********* * ***** order ********:

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****, *** ********* ** **** ******* that *** ******* ********* ** ******* One-Click ****** ******* **********, **** ********, AVHS, *********, ***, *** ******* **** to ***** ** **-********** **** ***** services ****** **** *** ******* ** YourSix.

** ***** ** *******, **** **** cameras **** *** **** ********** **** with ***** ***/*******, *** ******* ****** to ** **** *****, *** **** restarted *** ******* ******* ******* *** displayed ** *** ****** *********:

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On-Premise ********* *****

********* *************/***** *** ******* ** *** YourSix ********* *** ***** ********** ***/** event-triggered *********, **** ******** *** **********, frame ****, ***:

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*******, *** ***** *** ** ** local ******* ***** ** ** ********** in *** ****** ** **** ****** Manager:

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**** ****** **** ** ******* *** requires ***** ************/********** ******** ** **** on-camera ******* *****.

Export ***** ***

* ** *** ****** ***** ** export *** ******** ***** **** * time ***** **** *** ** ******** video. **** *** ******** *** ******/******** file, ** ** ** ***** *** file (********** ** ***** ** **** sure * *** *** ******* *********):

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*** ****** ** **** ******* **** not **** **** ********* **********, ** it ****** ** ***** ** *** YourSix ********* **** ** ***** ***** exist ** ******.

Remote ***** ****** *** **********

******* ****** * ****** ***** *** connection ** ********* *******, ***** ***** camera ************* *** ******** *************** *** be ********* ******** ******* ****** ** connect ** * *** ** ***** methods:

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Mobile *** *********** *****

*** ****** *** ***** ****, ********* navigating ******* ******, *** ******** ******. However, ***** * ***** *******, ***** is ** *****-****** ********, **** ****:

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****** ***** ** ********* ****, ***** a ****** **** ** *** ****** is *******, *** ******** ** ******** on * *********** ******* ** *** field ** ****:

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*******, ***** *** ******** *** ** hidden ** ******* ** *** ******, the **** *** ** ****** ** have *** ******** ** **** * clear **** ** *** ******.

*******

******* ****** ******** *** **** ** minimum *-**** *******, *** **** ** between $** - $** *** ****** per *****.

***** *** ** ******** **** *** on-premise ******* *** **** * **** 90 **** ** ***** *******, *** the **** *** ** ******** ******, it ** *** ********* ***** ** an *****. *********/**** ***** ******* ** a ******** *** ***** ** *** storage ********.

*** ******* *-**** **** ******:

  • **** ****** ******* ** $*** ($**/***/*****)
  • **-*** ***** ******* **** $*** ($*/***/*****)
  • **-*** ***** ******* **** $**** ($**/***/*****)

********** ** *** ******* ******** ********, the ******** *** ****** ****** ********** recording ** *****-***** *********.

**** ***** ** * *-**** ********, a ****** ****** **** **-*** ***** storage ** $*** **** *** ****, which ** ********** ****** **** ******* and *******. ****, ******* *** ******* both ******* *****-***** ******** ** ********* (e.g. ****** ********** ******, ***) **** their ********.

Comments (24)
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Jacob Hengel
Aug 12, 2022
YourSix

*****-******* ** ***** ********

*'** **** ******* ** **** **** and ******* **** ******* ****** ***** discussed ** *** *******. ***** *** recent ******, ** *** ****** **** on ********** * *** ** ***** items.

********** ******** **** ***** *** ******* filterable ***** ***** ** *** ********** for ******* ******** *** **** ****-******** based ******* (****/******) **** ******* ** the ***** **. ******* ******, ****** triggers, ***.

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Jacob Hengel
Aug 12, 2022
YourSix

** **** ***** **-***** ******* ********* recognition ** **** ******** *** *** seemlessly *** ******* ** *** ***** without ****** ** **** ** *** serial ******* *** **** **** ******* and *** *******. *** **** ** instant *** ****** ******** *** ****** for ******* ****-****** ** ******* ** the ******** ** *** ***** **** manner ** * ** ****.

** *** ********* ** ** ** every ***** ** *** ********; *** only ***** ********* *** ****** *** board ** **** *** *******'* ***** easier.IPVM Image

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Jacob Hengel
Aug 12, 2022
YourSix

**** **-**** *** ******* ** *** what **** ***** **** **** ******* back ** *** **** ****** *** we **** ***** ********* ** *** web ** ***** ****** (** ****** camera + *****-****** ***** ** **** as **** *** ******** *** ***). Upper ***** **** ****** **** *** audio-listening *** ***** ****-**** ********.

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Jacob Hengel
Aug 12, 2022
YourSix

***** ********* ** *****/***** **** ** also **** *** ***** *** **** to *** ******** ** * *** tab *** **** *******. ******** ***** player + ********** ******* ****** *****/***/******/*** coming ** ****** ***** *********.IPVM Image

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 07, 2022
YourSix

********-**** ****** *** ***** **** ***** for ******* ******* ** **** **** and ******** (* *** **** *********** than *** **** **** ******). **** back ** ****** ***** *********** ** was ********* ****.Fisheye Dewarp

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John Honovich
Dec 07, 2022
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*** ***** *** ***** ***-**** ****** support?

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 07, 2022
YourSix

****, ***% **** ***** ** *** as ********** ******** **** *****. **** being ****, ** **** ** * love ****; ** ****'* **** ********* by ******. ** **** **** **** specific ******* *** **** "**** ** class" ************ ***** *** **** ******** "direct ** *****" ** *** **** strategy. **** ****** ***** ****** *** for **** ** **** ** ******* success *** *** ******** *** ***** end *****.

**** *** **** ***** ******** ********** native ** ***** ******* **** * would **** ** *** *** ****** industry ***** *******. ** ***** **** immensely **** *** **** ****, ** IPVM's *** *****...******-**-***** ***** ******* ********* importance (*** ********* ********** ** ******-**-***** *******) *** **** ********* ********* **** to ****** *******-**-*-******* ** *** **** (******* ** * ******* - ******, Rhombus, *** *******).

** **** *** ******* ** ***** but ** ***** * *** ** refinement ** ** *****-******** ** ******. Starting **** *********** *** **** *** a ********** ** ******* ***-****** **** between * *** *** *** ****** and ** **** **** ******** ** the ***** *********. ********/******** *** ****** writing **** ********* *** ****** ** store **** ** *** *** ********* our ******** ****** ********. *'* **** a *** ******** ** ****** *** we **** ****** *** ** **** we ******* ** **** ** ******* our ******* **** ****.

***** ** ******* ******** ***** ************* from ******** * *****-**** ********* ** their *******.

***** ** ******* ******** ***** ************* from ****** ****-***** ***** ****** **** can ** ******* ** * ******** after ** ******** ******** (****** ** manufacturer).

***** ** ******* ******** ***** ************* from ****** ********* ** ***** *** smart ***** (****** ** ************ *** has *********** ********).

***** ** ******* ******** ***** ************* from ************ *********** ***** ************** ** eliminate ********* (******).

***** ** ******* ******** ***** ************* from ******** * ****** ******* ** TPM (****** *** ******* ** ** improving).

***** ** ******* ******** ***** ************* from ******** * ****** **** *********** framework (******).

**** ** **** ** *** *** entire ******** **, *** ***** **** excels ** ****** * ****** ***** connectivity **********, *** ****** ** **** RTSP ************ *** **** *** *****, have *********** ********** ** *** *******, provide ********* ******* ** ******* *** bandwidth, ******* *** **** ********* ** that ** *** ****** ******* & SOC2 *** ***** *** ***** ****** architecture.

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John Honovich
Dec 07, 2022
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**** ****? **** ******* **** ** earlier **** **** **** "*** ******* **** ***** ******* ** coming ***** **** ****." *** *** you *** ****** ***** ** * bad ****?

* ** **** **** ******** ***** Axis ******* ******* ********* *** ********** the ********** ** *** ***** ********* on * ****** ******** ************.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 07, 2022
YourSix

** *** ******* ** ******** *** shortcomings ** ***** ** *** ******* state. **** ** ********** ****. *** the ************ ** ***** ** ****** standards *** ********** ********* *********** ********** and ****** ***** ******* ** *********** security *****, *** ***** *********** ***** off.

****** ***** *** ********** ***** ** totally ********* **** ***** ** **** the ******** ** **.

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John Honovich
Dec 07, 2022
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** *** ******* ** ******** *** shortcomings ** ***** ** *** ******* state.

*** *** *********** **? ** *** can't ** ***'* **** ** ******* ONVIF ** *** **** *******, ****'* the **** ** **** *******. *******, you **** ** *** **** ***** to ******* **** ***** **** ****. You ******* **** **** **?

*** ** *** ** **** ***, is *** ******* *** *** ***-**** cameras ** **** ********* *******?

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 07, 2022
YourSix

** **** *** ******* *** *********** on **** ** ***; *** *********** comment ** * *** *********. *** timeframes **** ****** *** ** *********** challenges ** ****** ************* **** ****** to *** *********. ***** *** ********** still ********** ** **** ** ******** based ** ******** * **** **** ONVIF *** ** *** ******** ********* on ***** ********** ** ** *** deliver. ** ** ** **** ** are *********** ******** *&* ***** ** and ******** ********** *******, ***. ** have ********* **** ******** **** *** clients *** ******** ** ***** ******* and **** ******* ******* ******* ** anyone *** ******** ****.

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John Honovich
Dec 08, 2022
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**** ******** **** *** ********* ** confidence **** ******* ***** *** ************ product ********** ***** ** **** *** will ****** ** ********** **** *** say. ********* *** ******** ****** ** that, ** ** *** *** *** are ***** ** ** ********* ** a ******* **** *****, ****'* ********. At *** **** ****, ****** ********** that ****** ****** *** ***** **** directly,***'* ** **** * **** ********* about *** *** ***** *** ********* to ***** ** * *** ****. ** **** *** **** * bad ****, *** ****** **** ***** that ******* ** **** **** *** committed ** ********** **** ********* *** idea ** *** *** ** **** year.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

*** *** ****** ** ****** ******* to **** ********. ** **** ******* communication **** **** ** ***** ******* (no **** **** * ***** ***** when ***** ** ********).

*** ** ** ****** ******** *** always **** *** **** *** ******* explained ** ******** (****** ** ***** as **** ***** *** ***** ** a ***** ***** ** ***** *** retrofit). ** ******, ********* *** ******* are ****** *********** ** ******, ********** when ** ***** ** ************* **************. We ****'* ***** ** **** ** insecure *******. ***** *** ************ ****** public **** *** **** *** **** high ***** ********* **** **** * simple ******* ****** ******* **** ** had **** **** *** ***** *** into * ****** *****, * ****** provided **** ******* ** ** *** motivations *** ********. *** ***** ******** everyone *** **** ******* **** ********* changed **...***? ***** *** ** ****** to **** ****** *** ***** ***** it's *** ******* **** ********. ** seemed ******* ***** *** ************ *** headed *** **'* **** ** *** disagree.

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John Honovich
Dec 08, 2022
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** ******, ********* *** ******* *** always *********** ** ******, ********** **** it ***** ** ************* **************. ** aren't ***** ** **** ** ******** product.

*****, *** ** ******* *** ***** companies ********* **** ******** *********** *********. They ***'* **** ******** ********* ****** they **** ******* ******* *** ******* or *** *** ******* ***** ** "secure" ** *** ****.

** **** ******* ************* **** **** in ***** ******* (** **** **** a ***** ***** **** ***** ** occasion).

*** ******* ************* *** ** * very ****** ****** ***** - **** you *** **** *** **** ******* non-Axis *******? *** *** / **** company ********* *******.

* ** ************ *** * *** surprised **** *** ******* *** *** taking *** * ********* ******* *** talk ** ********** *** **** ** Lund ***** *** **** ****** **** because **** ** ***** *********** *** does *** **** **** ***** ** mistakes *** ******* **** ************* *** roadmap.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

***** *** ****** ** *** ******** from ****** ***** ********* ** **** a ********* ****** ** ** ** transparent ** ******** **** *** ***** known ** ** ** *** **** of ******** *** ** *** ******** know ** ******* *** *******. **** requests *** ******** **** *** **** shipped ******* **** ********** *********** *** this **** *** **** ******. ** have ************ **** **** ********.

**** ** *** * ******* ** it ** **** **** *** *** not **** **** *************, ** * apologize **** *** ****** ******* *** given. *******, * **** ********* **** the *********** *** ** ****** ** IPVM. **** ******* *** **** ** we ***** *** ****** ************ **** partners ** ******* *******. *** *** casually ***** *** **** ** **** planning *** * *** *** **** a ******** **** *** ******** ** be ****** ** "*** *** ******" as ** *** **** ***** ** development.

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John Honovich
Dec 08, 2022
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*** *** ******** ***** *** **** we **** ******** *** * *** not **** * ******** **** *** intended ** ** ****** ** "*** the ******" ** ** *** **** early ** ***********.

*** **** ******** *** ***'* **** your ********** ** ********* *****. * have ** **** **** *** ******** "casual" *** *** **** ** *** and *** **** **** ** **. Asking *** **** *** ****** ** release * ******* ** * ****** question. ** *** ***'* **** *** to ******* ** **, **** ** an ***** *** **** *******.

* **** ********* **** *** *********** not ** ****** ** ****.

***** *** ** **** *** *** request ****? *** *** ** ***** to ****? ****** **** *** ********* any **** ******** **** *** ** publish **** *********. **** *** ***** me *** ** *** ********** *** basic ***** ** **********.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

****** **** * *** ** *** conversation **** *** *** ********** ** follow-up ****** * *** **** ****. Not ** ***** ***** ****.

**** ****** ** *** ***** ***** where * ********* **** ** **** in ****** ** **** ***** *** specifically ********** *** ******* ** *******. I *** ******* **** *** **** journalistic *********.

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John Honovich
Dec 08, 2022
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** *** **** ** ***** **** Sean ***** ** ****** *** ** publish ***** **** ***** ***** ******* timing, **** ** **** *** *'** issue ** ********* ****** *******.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

* ** *** ** **** ** a ****** *******. **** *** **** keeping **** ** *** ******** *** we **** ****** *** ******** **** openly ******* ** ****** **** "** or *** *** ******" ***** ** have * ******* ** ***** *********** with ****.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

**** ** *** ***** ** ** post ***** * ******** **** ** our *******, *****, *** *** *** we *** ******* ** *** ******** plans * *** ********* **** **** level **** ***

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John Honovich
Dec 08, 2022
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** ******* *** ******* ******* *** being *** *** ****** *** **** request *** ****** * ****** ***** we ********* *** ******.

*******, ** ***, * **** ****** we ********* **** ****** *** **** us *********** ***** ***** ******* ********* a ** ******, ********** ******* ** "that's ****** *********** *** *** ************":

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**** ********?

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

*** ********** ** *** *********** ******* course *** **** *********** **** **** we *** **** *** (*** *** partners) ** ** **** ** ******* and ********. ** **** **** ****** been ***** ** *** ******** *** why ** **** ******* ********** *** also *** ******** *** ******* ****** the ****** *********. *'* *** **** why *** **** ****** ******** ** upset.

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John Honovich
Dec 08, 2022
IPVM

*****, *** ********** *** ************ ********* and ** **** *** ****** ** published **** ** *** ****** ******* and *** *** ***** **** *** asked *** ** ** *********.

*** ****** ** ******* *** **** made *** ************* ********* **** *** your *******'* *********** ** **.

** *** ****** **** ******* **** you *** * ****** ****** ** what *** **** ** *** ******, address ** ******** *** ***'* ***** hundreds ** ***** ****** *******.

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Jacob Hengel
Dec 08, 2022
YourSix

** *** *** ********* ** *** statements **** **** ** ******** *********. We **** ***** *********** *** **** provided ****** ***** **** **** *****. If ** ****** ***/** *** ******* no ******* ******, ****** *** ******* and ******** *** ** *** ***** vague.

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