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Comments (25)
Undisclosed #1
Honestly, this post goes with your other post about lack of intellectualism in the industry.
This is the sort of video that any person with even a passing interest in product knowledge should be able to call bullshit on, and express their outrage to Tri-Ed for perpetuating such garbage.
The fact that Tri-Ed (and other distributors) put out "informational" videos like this, AND people fall for them, speaks volumes about the lack of basic mainstream knowledge in many integrators.
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Jon Dillabaugh
01/05/15 07:11pm
The Speco booth at ISC East last year was full of guys who believe this type of BS. They were very well versed.
Speco Rep - So you guys doing any IP yet? It's a real pain in the ass right?
Me - No, it is not really hard at all. I actually prefer it.
Speco Rep - BULLSHIT! You know it's a pain in the ass! BULLSHIT! You know it!
Me - OK then, have a nice day....
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Donatas Fankinas
Thanks for information.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
FYI: The content for these videos is written by the manufacturers who pay for the spot. The cost is $600 per product / per month. The videos are then narrated and produced by SP&T News in Canada. I doubt Tri-Ed has much involvment in the actual claims of each manufacturer.
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Undisclosed Integrator #5
I believe this really shows the true difference in knowledge between Integrators. I learned long ago that Spec Sheets and such are glorified technical sales pitches with all kinds of "gotchas" in there.
Just taking the Distributor's word on a product doesn't seem like a good idea unless they (your rep) have proven to be knowlegable and reliable. I really see Distributors and someone who is just moving boxes from A to B. I don't ever expect them to be technical experts, even though I have talked to and have met spome reps who are very technical.
In the end, I think it's really up to the Integrator to do their research, testing, learning from IPVM or how ever else they can to be knowledgable as possible on as many aspects as possible.
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Antonio Morra
Blah Blah Blah big fancy numbers Blah Blah. What a bore of a video.
I dont use Tri-Ed but I doubt they even know what they are reading/putting up on the screen - that info is probably given to them by the manufacturer or some marketing guy just put together tidbits from each manufacturer.
Not saying its an excuse, its more likely just a bad choice to not fact check what they are pushing/recommending. It does bring into question their knowledge as an organization - probably more than it does thier integrity.
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Meghan Uhl
I do use TriEd but not for technical information. I agree with Undisclosed E Integrator wholeheartedly. Give them a model # (and be specific) and you'll get a decent price quote pretty quickly. I do my own independent research using IPVM, talking directly to the factory tech support guys etc. Its the integrator who has to live with the service issues if they sell crap to the customer so its the integrator who should make the informed product selection decision.
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Antonio Morra
There is nothing wrong with having both. It is entirely possible for a distributor to get moderately technical information and products to the integrator. I reward my distributors (my company uses distribution maybe 20% of the time if we arent ordering direct) when they help me with the ideas and generate solutions with products during my engineering and design phase by ordering from them.
While the distributor doesnt always know the super duper tough solutions, the ones I use usually have the ability to input different products that might be able to accomplish what I am looking for and within the priceframe I am looking for. Sometimes the distributor/technical sales help is enough to hit the nail on the head and point me to the right solution right away, other times I have to do some digging - but if the staff is trained right and updated with the newer products and options available - they can help save me a lot of headache on an area that I don't have an overwhelming strength of knowledge on.
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Undisclosed #7
Btw, Speco is at it again, this time with a twitter 'ad':
So they photoshopped an image to pretend it was 'low light'. Obviously, a real 'low light' image would look nothing like that.
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John Honovich
ADI advertisement passing similar bad Speco claims:
I suspect the 'no distance limitation' is an implied slight against IR cameras (which specify IR distance ranges). However, almost any IR camera would beat Speco Intensifier at short or long ranges. Beyond that, every camera has distance limitations, simply because the farther an object is away from a camera, the wider the FoV is, meaning the lower the pixel density is until it is impossible to make out any details, whether it was day or night (worse, of course, with Speco Intensifier noise).
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