US Surgeon General Unwittingly Showcases Sanctioned Dahua Temperature System

By Sean Patton and Charles Rollet, Published Jul 28, 2020, 09:00am EDT (Info+)

The US' top public health spokesperson, the Surgeon General, posted a photo of himself being screened by a Dahua Thermal Temperature Station during a recent visit to Miami in an unwitting showcase, if not endorsement, of the product.

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The Office of the Surgeon General told IPVM the photo is in "no way an endorsement" of Dahua, a company sanctioned by the US government for human rights abuses, banned for federal usage, and starting next month banned for using federal funds and for federal contractors.

The incident showcases the rapid rise of fever 'terminals' despite their accuracy issues and US sanctioned manufacturers. In this article, we examine this in-depth, including:

  • What/Who Is The Surgeon General?
  • Surgeon General Screened By Dahua
  • Problems With Dahua: Human Rights Sanctions, NDAA Ban
  • IPVM Testing Shows Frequent Misses and Mask Spoofing Issues
  • Context: Rise of Fever Terminals
  • US Surgeon General Tells IPVM "No Way An Endorsement"

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And maybe we should take care of OUR OWN racial profiling issues (and child caging issues) before getting all holier-than-thou about civil rights in China....

“In areas where people of color, including Black or Latino residents, made up the largest racial or ethnic group, Reuters found that stores were more than three times as likely to have the technology,” the report reads.

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OUR OWN country leads the world in racial justice. Don't even try this garbage on this platform. I don't recall our country committing wholesale genocide, or rounding up minorities, sending them to gulags. Check yourself.

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you are right that this is not the forum to discuss this, i like it much more when it's about tech and not a town hall for social justice warriors.

but to be fair and answer your comment : I did check and came up with Internment of Japanese Americans - Wikipedia

just for reference no Germans or Italians were interned during www, only the asians.

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I agree and will let this go. But to believe we never committed genocide here just indicates a life that never included a smattering of American history. And then there are the thousands of children on our borders.

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Just could not leave it alone after you said you would let it go....

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Just could not leave it alone after you said you would let it go....

what you just saw, by both u1 and u4, was the classic technique of the soft last word, where by one signals agreement that this is not the right place or time for this discussion etc, but then proceeds to throw in a few parting zingers in any event.

which no one can respond to, lest they appear to be attacking someone who has indicated they will not post again.

no one except you that is.

well done! and if your unhelpfuls are limited to just 2, that’s only to be expected in such situations.

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Right but that was in the 1940's, the US has admitted it was wrong, a mistake and has apologized. China is doing it right now today as I type this.

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I just read this. Installing Face Rec without telling anyone doesn't bother me as much as the fact that wealthier white neighborhoods had a much lower occurrence of this camera than poor minority neighborhoods. If this was a standard, there should have been the tech in every single store. This is a big ERM mistake.

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I'm willing to bet they deployed it based on shrink at those specific stores. If it happens that those in predominantly minority neighborhoods have a bigger problem, then I guess that's what happens.

I'd like to think that someone over there didn't just think - hey, we'll throw these in the hood because I don't like those people.

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Yes, they probably did what most companies would do, prioritize areas with higher crime. But, as I stated, they didn't think of all the liabilities associated with this strategy. They should have made this camera and software a standard in every store. It would be indefensible if a customer or employee is injured or killed by a known suspect who committed a crime at one of their stores without face rec while they have other stores with face rec to prevent that exact thing.

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ok, it’s a lucky break for Dahua marketing, no doubt.

though they might have hit the jackpot had the S.G. actually been running a fever and it was flagged by a Dahua system!

*shudder*

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"Indeed, it's unlikely the Surgeon General or anyone on his team was even aware of the manufacturer of the temperature screening product."

...the kiosk has the Dahua logo right on it's face...

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Mike, thanks, that's a good point. They could read it. The question is whether they know who Dahua is and what Dahua's US government issues are. In our experience, most government officials know little about Hikvision or Dahua (especially Dahua).

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Agree. Add that to about 99% of my clientele who don't know, or have actually accused me of making all of this up in order to create a selling point, or slander China.

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Dahua logo... right... You mean that thing that says @hua? No wait, ahua? alhua? adhua?

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Long time reader first time writer... Lol while I feel I've read responses of privilege I know we can and have many differing opinions. I personally feel our nation has somewhat entered into a pot and kettle situation.

Not to argue that but more to ask the question where are our Made in The United States CCTV and security product options?

Not sure how many have heard of Raspberry Pi's manufactured in China and the UK, but why isn't there an American Pi made in America, North South or Central America even since America is not just United States.

I'm a small minority owned building security integrator and currently install Hikvision and would love a conscious alternative for my clients that see the NDAA ban and want to avoid the manufacturers as well.

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currently install Hikvision and would love a conscious alternative for my clients that see the NDAA ban

David, we have this post - Best Alternatives to Banned (and Sanctioned) Dahua and Hikvision.

We are also publishing an NDAA white list soon.

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If you are installing HIK, I hope you are being honest with your clients by disclosing its connections with the CCP, unfair labor practices, etc. My guess is that you're not.

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Brian, I don't think that's fair. David asked for alternatives so it's more productive to help than criticize.

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Thanks John I'll call it what it was RUDE at the least. Now to Brian my point in my post is I do have this conversation because I believe educating my customer and having an informed consumer keeps this industry honest. However shhhhhhh I know that some don't have this conversation because I've been told that... but any who. I would like alternatives that have great easy to use apps, remote mobile playback, etc. There are some manufacturers I don't like because I've found myself explaining app problems than selling additional cameras on the platform. Now just to say the Hik convo always comes back to money an easy to use app and that is a hard convo to have with small businesses and residential alike.

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I'm glad he's looking for alternatives. However, the current issue we face with China, in my very passionate opinion, can't simply be distilled to "rudeness", as my reply is being labeled. I can't tell you how many sites I've seen where someone was taken advantage of by an installer selling Chinese. Having said that, if we have a reformed installer here, by all means I extend an olive branch.

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Brian, I don't think it's an effective tactic to say things like:

I hope you are being honest with your clients by disclosing its connections with the CCP, unfair labor practices, etc. My guess is that you're not.

In particular, the last sentence is a presumption of David. Maybe he does tell his clients this and many shrug shoulders and said "just give me the lowest price". I realize you are passionate about it but I do think it's better to win people over.

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I can't tell you how many sites I've seen where someone was taken advantage of by an installer selling Chinese.

the end-user was taken advantage of by selling Chinese?

assuming you inadvertently left off a noun there, whatever do you mean?

the default country of origin for electronics, especially for less expensive ones, is China. no surprise there for consumers.

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Geez... I'll be more specific. An installer sells someone on HIK without being honest about what it really is. Whose side are you on, really?

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Geez... I'll be more specific. An installer sells someone on HIK...

thanks. for a second there it sounded as though you were speaking much more broadly.

as to HIK, are you saying that you have been to many, many HIK sites where the end-user/owner was not made aware of HIKs relationship to the CCP and their “unfair labor practices” at the time of sale, but indicated to you that had they been made aware of this that they would have not gone thru with the sale?

Whose side are you on, really?

maybe yours, if you can define your position clearly, logically and factually.

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Brian I just went to Best Buy bought an Insignia cable DVI to HDMI Chinese cable. My problem with this security devices argument is that we're saying Chinese and I don't see evidence of doing much else to change the issue all over. My point was to not go down the rabbit hole however show me some solid options within the same price point where I can succeed and I'm all in. I myself want a responsible use of big brother here in the states as well... Thanks John I will look into your suggestions.

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I realize it's difficult at this very moment to find much of anything that isn't manufactured in China. For a small part, the fed has made that decision for you, though, by sanctioning TONS of IOT product originating in PRC. AP's, peripherals, etc. are difficult to find manufactured domestically. I get it. But we have to be resolved in any effort to isolate China. China represents the sole largest threat to the US. It may take some time to get domestic manufacturing back, but we have to do our part to help influence it, as small as these efforts may be, they are vital. LOOK for US made and supported equipment. Tell your clients that you make every effort to offer US made systems equipment, and tell them why you do that. Every little bit helps.

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It may take some time to get domestic manufacturing back...

manufacturing of commodity electronics from raw materials, true manufacturing, not just glorified assembly of foreign components, is not likely to return to the US.

the cost of such goods would be several times what their Chinese equivalents are. even if you were to protect all industries from foreign markets, goods made for export would be uncompetitive.

manufacturing didn’t move to China for no reason: the Chinese laws and government have allowed them to exploit their own natural resources with few limitations. their exploitation of their own human resources is equally appalling. all the while with little regard for the environment.

but the us is also partially complicit because we created the demand and essentially financed the exploitation.

which leads us to the position we’re in now; we can’t make it as cheaply as we can buy it (without raping our land and people), and if it costs us more than the rest of the world, then we will be the worse off economically.

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David, I think the info that John provided will help you a lot. As you will see, there are few (no) choices for "Made in the US" CCTV cameras, but there are plenty of alternatives from Taiwan, Korea and elsewhere.

And anyone who actually wastes a customer's time expounding on their own poorly grounded understanding of international politics and law is almost guaranteed to get a "thanks for the order" message from their competitor. Stick to features, advantages and value, and win the business.

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Poorly grounded? Wow. NO US-made alternatives? Sounds like you should read more. IPVM has tons of data on US alternatives. I use NDAA compliant for 100% of my business, US made everywhere I can. I do quite well, thank you. It would be nice if more people actually stood up to foreign aggression and subversive trade tactics.

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