Dahua's Largest UK Distributor Debates IPVM During PRC China Talk

By Conor Healy and Carl Stoffers, Published Oct 13, 2021, 08:55am EDT

Tim Duggan, Technical Director of the UK's largest Dahua distributor, Oprema, engaged in a spirited debate with IPVM over PRC China manufacturers Hikvision and Dahua at the NEC Security Event in Birmingham, UK, on September 7.

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***** *** ***** ** speak ** **** ****'* NEC ******** ***** ** Birmingham ***** ************ ** *** ***** Uyghur ******** ** ****** on ********* **. *** **** ** NEC, "***** & ******* Relations ********* ***** ************," began **** * ************ with ******, ***** ****:

*** *** *************** *** interjected ****** *** ****, but *** ***** ********** respectful.

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** ***** ********* ***** ** ******* ******* Committee ****** ************** ** ban ********* *** ******* *** **, ****** interjected, ******* *********** **** there ** **** * "tiny, ****** ******* ** Hikvision" ** *** ******. Duggan **** ******* ***** of ****** *** ****** out ** *******.

*******, ***** ********* ************ **** *** ********:

*** *********** *** **** it *** **** * brief ******* ** *********/***** in *** ****** *** that * *** ****** it *** ** *******, that *** ****** *** not ******** ***** ****. I ********* ***, ****** I *** **** **-**** the *** ****** **** morning, *** **** ** was *****. *** ****** very ******* ********** *****’* role ** ********, ********* both ********* ******** *****, and ******* ****** **** should ** ******.

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**** *****'* ************ ******* to ************* ********* ** ********, ****** ***********, ******** out **** *** ***** rights ****** *** ******** not ******* ** *****. Healy ********* **** *** issue ** *** *** is *** ********:

*** ******** **** ** about ************* ***, *** China ***, *** ** any ****, ************** ** actually ******* ** *****.

****** ****, **** ** one ******** ********** *** 'legal' ****** *** ***, it ** ** ********* indefensible ********, ****** ********** one **** ***** ********** regularly ****.

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***** ********* *** **** with * ***** ***************, *** ** *** main ****** **** ********* and ***** ********. ****** ****** **** if * ****** ** not ********-*********, ** ** "impregnable." ***** *********:

* *******-****** **** ******* is ***********, **** *************** that ***** **** ** exploited ** ****** ***** matter, *** **** ******** devices ****** ** **** to **** ********* ** any ****.

*** ****** ******** * day ****** **** ********* on*****'* ****** ******** ***************.

*** "*** ********-*********" ******** is *********** *** ** becoming ************ *********** ** more *** **** ***** want ** ** **** to ****** ***** ***** surveillance ********. ******, ** the***** ********* *** **** Dahua ******** ******, **** * *** years ***, ******* ******* of ***** ******* **** being ********* ** *** Internet.

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*** ********* ***, ********* 8, ***** ***** **** Duggan *** ***** ** he'd **** ** **** any ********** ********, *** Duggan ********. **** ********* Duggan's ******, *** ** details ** **** ************ are ********* ** **** report.

No ******* **** ******

**** ********* *** ****** to *** *** ******* on **** *****. ****** responded ** ********* **** he *** *** **** to ******* ** ** mentioned:

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*******, *** ****** ****** of *** *********** *** the ************' ********* ** the ********, **** ****** this ** ** * newsworthy *****. **** ******* out ** ******* **** we ***** *** ******* anything ******* ** ***** conversation *** **** ***, but ***** ***** ** the ****** ***********. ****** again ******* ** *******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

10/13/21 02:59pm

** ** ********** **** any ********** ** ******* would **** ** ********* or ********* *** ** a ******* **** ** not ******, ******** ********** privacy, ** ***** ******. While ** ****** **** their ****** *******, ** would **** ***** ********** to ********* *** ** such ******** *** ******* creation ** ******* **** the ****** ** *** rights ** ***********. **** a ***** *********** ** the ********* ******* ** taking ** *** ******* of **** *** ****** into ******** ***********.

** ***** **** **** are ** ********* **** technology ***** *** ** used ** **** ***** crimes ** ********* *** objectively *********** ***** ********* them ** *********, **** and *** **** ******* they *** **** *** to **** ********** *** legalyl ********* *********.

**** **** ** ******* the ******, *** ***** individual ******** *** ********** with ******** ** ****** endangerment, **** ********** *** be **** ** * way **** ******** ********** privacy *** ***** ******. This *** **** ***** to ********** **, ********** and ************** ** ********** activity ** ****** ***** where *********** *********, ********, and ******** **** ** idea ** ** ****** place.

********** *** ***** *** public, *** *** *** and *********** **** ****** structure *** ********** **** protect ********** ******* ******* those ***** ** *** commercial ** ********* ********.

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Undisclosed #2

10/13/21 03:14pm

******* *** *********. *** a ************ **** *** last ****. ** *** like ****** ** * brick ****. *** ****** of ****** **** ******* all *** ********** ** my ******* ***** *******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #5

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 10/13/21 08:06pm

** ********** ***** ********, "It ** ********* ** get * *** ** understand********* *** ****** ******* upon *** *** ************* it."

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Undisclosed Distributor #3

10/13/21 06:30pm

*** *********, **** *** who ****** ***** ******* worked **** **** **** where ******* **** **** customers

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10/13/21 07:11pm

******* ****** ** *** avoid *****.. ******.

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IPVMU Certified | 10/13/21 09:49pm

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

10/14/21 09:00am

******* **** ********……****** ****

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

10/14/21 02:27pm

*********** *** **** ******** and ******* ***** *** product *** ******* *** continues ** ****** ** would **** ******* ******* over ********* *** ***************.

**** ** * ******** product ***** ***.

** **** *** ***** corporate ******’* ** ********** replacing *** ** *** products ** **** ** their ******** ***** ********* with *********** ***-*** *******. It ** ** ********** expense *** **** **** it *** *** **** way ** ****** *** product ***** *** **** the ********* ** **** on ***** *******.

******* *** ****** ** absorb *** ******* ** moving *** ********* ** its’ *** *******, ********, and ******** ********.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

10/15/21 01:28pm

**** **** ********* *** used ** ****** ** Guantanamo ***??? *** **** do **** ************* ** we *** *** ***** to **** ***** **** technology?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 01:33pm

***** ********, *** **** the **********. ***** *** these ***** ******** *** operates ****, ** *** is *********** ***** *** someone ****** ***** ******* cameras *** **** ***** them ******* ***** *******.

******** ** *****'* *********** In ******** ************

***** ** ********* ************* in ***** ***** ****** abuses *** ********* ********* technology ** ***** ***** rights.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

In reply to John Honovich | 10/15/21 01:54pm

***** ******* *********** ****** in **********? ** **** do *** **** ** follow ***** ******, *** and ************?

* ***** ************ *** integrator ***** **** **** of ****** ** ****

** **** **** ** CCTV *** ****?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 02:00pm

*** ***'* *** ******* your *** *******'* ******* that **** ******** ******** supporting ***** ******?

*****, *** ***** ** not ******* **** *** used *** ******* ************* were ********. ** ******** about *********. ****** ** evidence ***** ***** *** Xinjiang *** ******* ***** rights ******. ******* *****'* role? ** *** **** the ******** ******* *****'* involvement?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

In reply to John Honovich | 10/15/21 02:51pm

*** *** *********** ***** Guantanamo?

** ******* *** **** your *** ******* ***** and ********* ***. **** like * ***** *** you **** ******** ******* Avigilon. *** **** *** enemy *** * ********** that.

*** ***** ************ *** not ******** ** **** a ******* ** **********? Sorry *** **** ** .....

*** * **** ** information ***** **** * FW ** * *** not ***** ** **** your *****. *** ******* which *** ******* ** EU ** ******** ***** is ******* ** ** does *** **** **** capabilities.

* ** *** *************, creating, ******* ** ***** such * **********

***** ***

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 02:55pm

*** * **** ** information ***** **** * FW ** * *** not ***** ** **** your *****.

*** *** *** *** evidence, ** ** ** our *******. *** *** too ***** ** **** dumb ****.

******** ** *****'* *********** In ******** ************

***** ******** "****** ********" To ***** ******

** *** *** *** your **-******* ***** **. They **** *** **** who *** ******** **** extensive ********* *************.

** **** ************ ****** to ********** ***, ** evidence ** *** ************ selling ****** ** ********** any ******* ********** (**** your ******** *** ** Xinjiang).

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #11

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/25/21 10:19am

** *** ******** *** Guantanamo ** ***** ********** to *** *** ********* camps? ** *** *** desperately ********* ** ****** to **** ******** **** better ***** **** *** sell/use? ** ***** ** equivalent ** ******* ********** with ******** ****** **** the ******* ** *** US ** **, ****** because ** ******** *** ethnic **********.

** ** ***** ** people **** *********** ** the ******* ** ****** and *** **** ** camps, **** ** **** they *** **********? **, grow **.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #11 | 10/25/21 01:52pm

***** ** ****** ***** in ********** *****. *** are ******* ********** ** either * *** ************** or * ****** ****** to **** ** *** idea ** *** ******* made ******* * ******* subsidized ** *** ***. In ****, ** *** extent **** ** *** Euro *********** ******** ** do **, **** *** supporting *** ******* ********* the ***** ****** **********, not ** ******* ******* disseminate ******* *** ********** via ****** ********. *** security ******** ** ************ to ********* *** ******** of *** *****.

** ** **** *********.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #11

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 10/25/21 04:28pm

* ***** ** ** likely * ********* ********, I ** **** **** there *** *********** **** yourselves *** **** *** are ******* ** ***** this *******. * ******'* judge ******* *** ***** the ***, ** ** my ******** ** *** use ** ** **** for ***** ********* *** I ** **** ********* when ***** *********** **** Mark *** *********** #* use ************ ******** ** defence ** **** **** do. ** *** *** the ******** ************ ***** are *********** *** **** to ***** ** *** the ******** ****** ********* to *****. **** ** one ***** ** **** to ***** ** ** industry, *** ***** ****** is *** ***** ** aid *** *****.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

10/15/21 03:50pm

* *** *** **** in *** ******* ** 2019 (** * *** on **** ***** ******** about **** ***** *** from **** ****), ** they ********* ********* **** this ** **** **** ?

*** *** ************** ******** from *****. ** **** ethical ?

**** ********** * '*** Made *****China' ******

sorry *** ** ** ******* **** ** ******, **************

*** *** ******* **** among ****** *** *** have **** *** ***. As * **** *** need ** **** ** enemy. *** *** ************ some *** **** ** right ***, **** **** ....

**** * ********** ** IPVM **** **** *** I ******* **** ** portal ***** ********** , but *** ******* **** ....

**** ** ** **** reply ** **** **********

*** **** ***** ***** on ****, **** **** not **** *** *******.

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** ** *** * same ** ** *** beginning :(

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Steve Stowe

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 03:55pm

***** ** * ******* , *** * ****, so *** *** ** be ****** ***** ******* PRC ************ ********.

*** ****** **** ** racism *** ************** *** want ** *** *** PRC *** ***** *** the ****?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

In reply to Steve Stowe | 10/15/21 04:10pm

**** *** *** ******* to ***

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Steve Stowe

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 04:20pm

* ** *** ******* Chinese ** * ****** or ****** *****.

********* ** **** ******* there *** ** **** as ** ** **** ethnic ****** ** *****.

** ******* *** *** deliberately *********** *** ********** between * ******* *** race *** *********.

** *** ***, * have * ***** **** of ******* *** *** government ** *** ***, which **** *** ****** to *** ****** ** China. **** ** **** are ******* ** *** bad ******** ** *** PRC **********. ******* *** bad ******* ** *** part ** *** *** government *** ********* **** may ** **'* ******* does *** ****** ** racism ** ************** ** the ****** ** *****. Choosing ** **** * non-PRC ****** ** ******* their ***** ***** ***** mouth **.

*** *** ** ***** discriminatory ** ** ***** one ** **'* *** ethnic ******, ***** ** where **** ** *** criticism ** *** *** along **** ***** ** coming **** ********** *** human ****** ********** ** the ****** ******.

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Robert Wren Gordon

IPVM | IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 04:19pm

** *** ********** ********* ****:

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**'** ******** *** ******* capabilities ** **** ** our ******* **** **** this ****, ** *** can ****** **** ** the ****** ******.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 04:34pm

* *** *** **** in *** ******* ** 2019 (** * *** on **** ***** ******** about **** ***** *** from **** ****), ** they ********* ********* **** this ** **** **** ?

***, *** **** ***. Quoting **** *** ****** I ******* ****** ********** to ***:

******* ***** ******** ** a "*** ****" ***** from ******** **** *** Dahua's "***** ****" ********, the **** ***** ** the ***'*****-************* ***** ************ ********.

*** ***** ******** * number ** ********** ** people ***** ****** ***** "Police ****", ********* "******* with ****** ********* ************" (隐性涉恐维族人员), ***** **** "****":

*** *** ****** ** read ***** *******?

*** ***** ********* "******" **** ******** **? You **** *** **** banned ***** **** ********?中華民國.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

10/15/21 04:48pm

* *** **** ******** ... **** **** ** them ******* *** *** often *********.

*** ***** ********* "******" **** ******** **?

** ** ***, ***? this ** ********** ... or * ** *****?

** ***** ** ** show *** **** **** behavior ** ************** ******** made ** ***. ***. And **** ** ******

****** =prejudice, **************, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against * ****** ** ****** ** *** ***** ** ***** ********** ** * ********** ****** ** ****** *****

*** *** *** ****** from ** *** ***** you :) * ** expressing ** **** ********** my *******. *** **** different ******* **** **. I ** *** **** US ***** ****** *** another ****** *** "**** ever ******"

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Undisclosed #9

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 04:56pm

* ** *** **** US ***** ****** *** another ****** *** "**** ever ******"

*'** **** *** ******. You ** **** * sense ** *****.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

In reply to Undisclosed #9 | 10/15/21 05:22pm

***** ***

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 04:58pm

***'** ********* ************ ********.

****** =prejudice, **************, ** ********** ** an **********, *********, ** institutionagainst * ****** ** ****** ** *** ***** ** ***** ********** ** * ********** ****** ** ****** *****

(*) *** *** ** government, *** ** ****** group. ****'* *** ** say *** **** *** over ***** ** **** clear ** *** ******* about *** ***.

(*) ****** **** *** tech ********. ** ****** is ******?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8 | 10/15/21 10:26pm

** ********* *************.

*** ******* ****** *** their **** **** ******* live *** **** ***** throughout *** ***** *** thousands ** *****. **** are ******** ** **** countries, *** **** *********** and ******** **** *********** and ********* ***** ** leadership **** ***** **** on **** ******. *** most ****** ********* ********** of ***** ** **** 1.44 *******.

*** *** **** **** leadership ** ***** ** 1949. **** ***** **** a ********** *** ********** compared ** *** ***** span ** ******* *******. Their ********** ******** ** a ****** ***** ** a ****** ***** ** million ******, ********* ** most ****** **** *******, and ** ******** ** as *** ***. **** party ***** ******** ** less **** *% ** the ***** ******* ********** exercises ****** ******* **** the *******, **********, ********, and ********* ** ***** country. **** *********** * free ********** ********* ****** within * ********* ****** structure. *** ******* ******** of *** **** ****** Chinese ********, *** **** other ******* ******** *** nationalities.

** ******** *** *** currently ******* *****, ** is ******** **** ***** policies ** ******* ********* the ******, *****, *** intentions ** *** **** 1.4 ******* ******* ******** living ** ***** *******, or *** **** ****** living ********** *** *****. They **** * **** history, ****** **** *** social ******, *** *** a ********* ******. ********* to **********, ***** *** had ****** ****** ***** for **** * ******* years. ** ** * very *** *******, *** has ******** **** ********* forms ** ********** ********** its’ *******.

*** *********** * **** seen ********* ** **** forum *** ******, *** clearly **** ******* ** specific ******** *** ******* not ** *** ******* people, *** ** **** been ******* ** *** PRC. ******** **** ****** to ***** ***********, ***********, and ******* ********** ******* certain ****** ** ******** and/or ********* ****** ***** own *******. *** *********** seem ** ** ***** on ***** ****, ********, culture, ********* *******, ** other ********** ************** ***************. Although * ******* ** sources *** *********, * great **** ** **** information *** **** ********** based ** ***** **** experience, ***** **** ******** reports **** **** ***** and ***** ***** *************.

**** ******** ************, **********, and ** ********** **** is **** ** ****** and ********* ***** **** characteristics ***** **** ** track, ********, ********, ******, interrogate, ********, *** **** execute *********** ***** ** the ******* ** **** surveillance.

** ** *** ******** and ************* ** ***** products **** ** ******* these ********** **** **** been *** ***** ** the *********** ** ***** forums. ******** ******** ***** have **** ********** *** verified ** **** ***** features ***** ** * number ** *******. **** sources ***** *** ******** manufactures *********** *************, ****** requests, ***** **** *** Party ******* ** *********. Some ************* **** ******** provided ******** ******, ************, and ************** ** ***** technologies ** *****, *** other ********* ****** *** world.

** ****** *** ** surprising **** *** *** has * ************ ********* interest ** **** ** the ********* ********* **** technology.

** **** *********** **** many ** *** **** companies ***** **** **** banned, *** ************ ******, or *** ******* ******* removal ** *** ** and ***** *********, *** to ****** ****** ********* in ******* ******* *** security *****. ** **** cases, *** **** ************* banned **** ***** ********** to ** ********* ** dishonest ***** *** ************* or ******** ** ***** products. **** ******** *** been *** ********* ******* testing ** ***** ********* and ************ ******** **** simply *** *** **** as *********. **** *** resulted ** ********* ****** liabilities, *** *** **** serious ***** ** ******* end ***** ** ***** products ** * ******* health ****.

*** ******* ***** ***** by **** *** ***** of ** *** ******* their ******* ** *** represent *** ******** **********, or *** **********. ** are ****** ********** ******** and ********** ** *** US *** ********** *** world, ********** **** ** using *** ******* ** choice *** ***** ** spend *** ***** ** make * *********. ** are **** ** ****** to *** ******** ******** from *** ******* ***** products, **********, ** ******** contribute ** *** *** to ***** ****** **********.

* ***** **** ** add **** *** ******* has **** ****** ** not ******** ******** ** services **** *** ******* whose ********, ************, ******** or ******** **** **** shown ** ******* ******* or ******** ***** ** our *******. **** ******** manufacturers ** *** ******* that ***, ********* *****, or *** ***** ******** as **** ** ***** products.

* ** ********** ******* this ** *** ** ALL * ******* ** a ***** *******. * have ***** **** ** China, **** **** **** clients, *******, *** ******** relationships **** *** *******. Having **** ** **** them **** ** *****, I **** * ********** respect *** *** ******, their **** *****, *** strong ****** ******. * believe **** *** *** leadership ** *** ** step **** *** **** of *** *****, *** hope **** **** *** day *********** **** ****** by **-********** ***** ******** toward *******, *******, *** individual ***** ******. ** they **** ***** ***** and ********* ** ** bring ***** ****** *** the **** ** *** world ******** ** *****, imagine **** ***** ** possible.

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Undisclosed #10

10/15/21 05:49pm

you: ** ***** ** ** **** *** that IPVM behavior is discriminating products made in PRC. You. And this is racism

*** **** ********* *** charge ** ****** - and ******** *** ******** presented **** ******** ******* your *****.

****, *** ******** ******* to **** ** *** aint ***** ****

***: **** ** ** last ***** ** **** discussion

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Daniel Lewkovitz

10/17/21 11:48pm

*** *** *************** *** interjected ****** *** ****, but *** ***** ********** respectful.

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