"ONVIF Has Chosen Not To Enforce Their Copyright."

By John Honovich, Published Mar 11, 2020, 09:01am EDT (Info+)

ONVIF has taken a bold and highly unconventional approach, telling IPVM, "ONVIF Has Chosen Not To Enforce Their Copyright."

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In this note, we examine:

  • ONVIF's approach to trademark enforcement and conformance
  • The Milestone ONVIF Bridge case
  • The Doorbird ONVIF case
  • Why Axis is to Blame
  • Upcoming Dahua and Hikvision issues

ONVIF ********* ***********

***** **** ************* *** *** **** *** *********. ** **********, **** *******:

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**** *********** ** **********. ** ************ does *** **** ****** ** ************ their *********** ** ************* **** **** organization.

********, **** ************* *** ********* **** if **** ** *** ******* ***** trademarks, **** ******** *** **** **** they ***** **** *** *********.

Lax ***********

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Milestone ***** ******

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** ***** ***** ***** **** ****. ONVIF *********:

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Doorbird ***** *********** ****

* *** ****** ****, ******* ******* case **** *** ***** ***, **** ONVIF ********* ****** ** ******* ***** trademark, ** ***** ****** ********* ****:

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*******, ***** **** ********* ********* ********* the ****** *** ****** ** *** a *******:

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** ********** ***** ***** **** ******** here *** ***** *** *** *******.

Axis ** ** *****

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Dahua *** ********* ****** ********

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ONVIF ****** ******* *** *********

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Comments (14)

ONVIF has become more of an idea than an organization, or even a standard. It conveys the idea that devices bearing the ONVIF designation will work together to produce expected results, but we all know this usually happens only for basic functions, with more complex aspects of connectivity often having various problems.

There is huge benefit, IMO, to having a standards body and integration protocol that is enforced sufficiently to guarantee results, and to have the ability to force manufacturers to either comply, or remove ONVIF labelling from their products.

I feel like ONVIF has been a leaky ship from the start. In the beginning there were few passengers, and they all saw the benefits of bailing the ship to their collective benefit. Now, we are seeing some passengers start to realize they can ride for free, and not have to bail very much, or at all, with no risk of being thrown off the boat.

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Can ONVIF be compared to IEEE?

If so, when driving an IEEE car, one must obey every traffic law to the “T” when traveling or you get your license revoked.

When driving the ONVIF car, speeding, rolling stops and driving in the passing lane are perfectly acceptable (but the accident rate and fatality rate spike considerably higher)! Add to that road rage!

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Curious what was unhelpful about asking if that was a legitimate comparison between IEEE and ONVIF? Question the analogy if you like, but is it a legitimate question? Are they the same principles of conformance applied to different technologies or are there some fundamental differences in their goals?

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While an American mindset might imagine a company controlling such an organization running it for the benefit of themselves and to hurt their competitors, the Axis Swedish mindset is effectively not to upset or offend their competitors...

ruthless or toothless, choose one?

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Come on ONVIF - look after all the manufacturers that are doing the right thing - and funding your program - or your supporter base will crumble and integrators/consultant’s will lose confidence... it didn’t take long for PSIA to become irrelevant.
ONVIF championed a set of standards (and then profiles), and brought the IP camera world out of the “dark ages” previously relying on every camera and VMS manufacturer sharing and writing native drivers that were a disaster to maintain and update.
ONVIF - call out those manufactures that are doing the wrong thing and protect your reputation.

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It’s funny when I see these Hik clones put ONVIF on their boxes and website. In theory since Hik cannot put ONVIF on there products, white label products should fall in that same line right? But I guess it doesn’t matter anyway since ONVIF won’t do anything about it.

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Hik cannot put ONVIF on there products

To clarify, Hikvision products and firmware that have previously been declared conformant will remain. The issue will be (1) new products cannot, at all, and (2) new firmware versions cannot be made conformant. Related, ONVIF requires new firmware versions to be tested for conformance but ONVIF, like with other things, tends to ignore such non-conformance.

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Thanks John for the clarification.

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ONVIF can be replaced if they do not want to lead. I suggest they think seriously about this.

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ONVIF can be replaced if they do not want to lead

Seriously, how do you think ONVIF can be replaced? I am not saying it should or shouldn't, I just don't see how practical it would to get a critical mass of companies to support that.

The best hypothesis I have heard is a Chinese ONVIF but very skeptical of that gaining traction amongst non-Chinese companies who largely have an adversarial relationship to them. Even more fundamentally, I would be surprised if Dahua and Hikvision would work together on that, e.g. they fought each other on HD analog 'standards'.

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I would be surprised if Dahua and Hikvision would work together on that, e.g. they fought each other on HD analog 'standards'.

though they did come together in the end on Analog HD, no?

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come together in the end on Analog HD, no?

No? Dahua continues to promote CVI:

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A week standard/ no standard means that from an integrator point of view you cannot trust that the devices will work the way they are supposed to.

If ONVIF does not enforce then eventually there standard will be forgotten as we move on.

We see it now with "Oh it is ONVIF does it work?"

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