Logipix 20MP, 140MP and 200MP Cameras Examined

Author: Brian Karas, Published on Jul 20, 2016

Looking for an Avigilon alternative?

Logipix, based in Hungary, has created their own super high resolution end-to-end solution, featuring 20MP - 200MP cameras, video analytics, and claims to offer advanced solutions for critical customers.

We spoke with Logipix CEO and co-founder, Dr. Peter Besenyei, about Logipix's product portfolio and company details for this report

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Comments (27)

Undisclosed #1

07/20/16 05:59pm

"Avigilon may be the closest comparison to Logipix, both companies offer cameras, VMSes, analytics, and access control, and both position their super high resolution cameras as premier offerings."

Perhaps Dallmeier as well?

Mohamed RABAH

07/21/16 10:47am

This Logipix selling in Middle East under Sensortec-canada Brand .

I was in IFSEC standing in Logipix Booth and we are planned to participate in Gulf Traffic with the same Products .

this panoramic Camera installed in Kuwait .

also in Egypt we integrated the traffic management System using TrafficWare ATC with our surveillance Products .

we made 250 Intersections in Egypt which has the following features

1- Red light violation ( Hardware and software )

2- Adaptive traffic management ( we face some implementation difficulties because of the driving behavior in Egypt .

3- Video Surveillance .

all the intersection connected to the control room through WIMAX

thanks

Itamar Kerbel

07/24/16 06:31am

I had a very bad experience with this company but it was in 2011.
After meeting them in IFSEC we bought a +10MP camera from them. I don't remember exactly

We did some tests and the camera behaved at best as a 2MP camera.

We couldn't zoom in properly and the exported videos would give us a 2MP camera resolution.

We took samples pictures of traffic and money counting over a counter and compared it to other cameras and found nothing special.

After contacting support over and over about this simple matter of not getting a real multi megapixel resolution we understood that the cameras were not really doing anything special.
When we contacted them again to send the cameras back they went silent. After a few weeks we gave up.

After a year a sent the samples I had to a sales person from another company that wanted to witness this by himself.

I just don't believe a word this company prints.

Mohamed RABAH

In reply to Itamar Kerbel | 07/24/16 12:03pm

Hi Itamar

may by at 2011 it was suffer some difficulties , but now the reference list is growing they made stadiums in turkey .

i was project manager for cairo traffic Project and i saw myself the 20MP 20fps Camera .

it is fantastic specially at night when it work with varifocal infrared.

i have many photos and vidoes of cairo traffic project using this system

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Mohamed RABAH | 07/24/16 12:50pm

Mohamed,

Thanks for the feedback. Do you have other images?

The one you provided is fairly dark and has some motion blur. Is that representative of Logipix cameras?

Mohamed RABAH

In reply to John Honovich | 07/24/16 01:27pm

Hi John

This is 20 MP Logipix Camera .

the main purpose of this camera is for red light violation .

one camera cover up to 3 lanes .

that is why it is dark at night to compensate car headlight and reflect the plate number .

the second picture is for the red light violation client software .

the third picture is for the location of the camera on the cantilever .

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Niall Beazley

In reply to Mohamed RABAH | 07/25/16 08:34am

20MP cameras for only three or perhaps four lanes of traffic and at what price?

Mohamed RABAH

In reply to Niall Beazley | 07/25/16 10:48am

Unfortunately , I am not authorized to give prices .

sure I could give up to 4 lanes , but the tested and guaranteed is 3 lanes.

also the IR attached to the Camera is Varifocal IR to be adjusted according to the camera field of view .

Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to Itamar Kerbel | 07/26/16 02:05pm

Also important to notice, that the lenses are for up to 5 megapixel, on a 20Mpx camera... Sensor size is very small, compared to Avigilon only 1".

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Niall Beazley

07/25/16 11:26am

That was a comment only. three lanes at max 3m each = 12m. Reasonable ANPR at 150 pixels per metre; a 3MP camera will provide that. Why install a 20MP camera?

Mohamed RABAH

In reply to Niall Beazley | 07/27/16 09:37am

Hi Niall

We made a test before installing the camera to see what the best resolution fit for Arabic ANPR. and we come up with following

1- The Arabic ANPR need more resolution than the English one.

2- Many plates in Egypt not clear enough . so it need further resolution .

3- The main function of the camera is Red light violation but the added value of 20 MP 1 inch sensor is giving you a surveillance view as well . the police have already caught many cases through our cameras .

4- The distance between the stop line and camera is dramatically variable in Cairo . and for some reasons that I couldn't tell here, we couldn't determine from the beginning the required resolution and Lens for each direction of the intersections . so we had to go with one camera fit all situations .

5- We use that large field of view for another function which is car detection , we use it for integrating the traffic management system with camera to change the traffic light time according to it .

Finally to setup a traffic system in Cairo is a challenge for all of us . because streets and driving behavior doesn't meet any standards.

Thanks

Undisclosed Integrator #2

07/25/16 01:37pm

"They cited ~$20M USD revenue in 2015."

According to a local company information DB, they had less than $6M revenues (HUF 1,6bn) in 2015.


"Search result in the company information database of OPTEN Ltd.:

Short name: LOGIPIX Kft.

Net sales revenue: 1 611 831 ezer Ft (2015. évi adatok)"

source: https://www.opten.hu/

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 07/26/16 05:58pm

I've asked Logipix for clarification on the $20M revenue number they provided. If we receive additional feedback I will update this report.

[UPDATE July 27th] I spoke with Dr. Besenyei again about the revenue numbers. He confirms the ~$20M overall sales number is accurate, and is also the roll-up number from several Logipix operating companies. He also said the ~$6M revenue for the Hungarian company is also correct, but only representative of that one entity.

To be clear, IPVM has no way to verify this data, it is what Logipix has reported to us.

Undisclosed End User #3

07/26/16 01:49pm

Guys, I'm from Hungary, and had a lot of facing on tenders with this company.

Promises, promises, promises. This is the main, value in this company. I had very good connection to a developer in this team (is a friend of mine), and this product line have several and serious issues. Please forget for a life this name, and anything which made by under their "umbrella". As he said. These are products which will not be finished. Never. And documentations are almost missing between development phases. Try to recover system level problems.

The most important, the owner "Peter Besenyei" is a one man show, doing everything, and the only person who know deeply the products, and the background. He is not young, and imagine what happens if...

So again. Forget it, for a life! Hungary learned the lesson, and above me, somebody well pointed out the company revenue is ridiculous, compared to any serious player on the market after more than 10-05 years of operation.

Undisclosed #1

In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 07/26/16 05:00pm

He is not young, and imagine what happens if...

...he fell into a pile of FUD?

Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 06/22/18 08:37am

fully agree, same experience

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Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs

07/26/16 05:59pm

Dear Undisclosed 3 End User,

You are a really funny guy. :)

I am working for the company for about 6 years. The Hungarian market is not significant for us since years. We have never participated on tenders, and never have direct business contact to end users.

All our „never finished products” :) are working very well all around the world with a lot of good feedbacks.

Thank you for your information that this is a Dr. Peter Besenyei one man show, but really sorry about the engineers, manufacturing team, sales and administration team. I thought so far that I am working in a big team with my colleagues. :) Not mentioned that the company has 3 owners. They are working for the company day by day.


For more and relevant information, please visit our website, where you can download all the documentations about our products.

Regards,

Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs

Maketing Executive

(one of the ghost employees ;) )

Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs | 07/26/16 06:12pm

Might happen that I was not always an end user in the past 20 years?

Might happen that I tested your devices?

Might happen that I have real life examples of your products including sites ?

Did I mentioned you participated on tenders? I don't think so. Did I told only Mr Besenyei working for the company? I don't think so.

There is nothing more funny than trying to discredit me (with irrelevant observations) just because you are working there as a Marketing exec.

I know Logipix and your products well, might happen we know each other as well.

Hungary is a small market everybody knows each other, fortunately or not.

With kindest regards

Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs | 07/26/16 06:27pm

And one more thing to the above.

These are my experiences, tests and site observations. We don't need to agree in what is image quality, what is performance, and future proofe documentation. Those are my informations, from your workplace (from your colleague).

On informations like this I start to think, why an engineer telling things like that. Really sorry if I accepted his comments, but seemed that time relavant information from a reliable person.

But what is really important, as I mentioned we don't need to agree in anything, but you can send a demo pack to John, they are objective and super talented in testing CCTV devices.

Good luck!

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Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs

In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 07/27/16 08:39am

You seems to be very motivated to discredit the Logipix, we are very sorry about it.

You are a Hungarian man, so not far from each other. If you have real problems, please feel free to visit us and we will demonstrate to you a performance and features about our solutions.

Best Regards,

Klaudia

Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs | 07/27/16 08:49am

Thank you for your kindness, maybe one day I'll try again.

But as above, I have no discredit motivation, just experiences. Not I'm the only one who have bad ones, scroll through just this feed. I'm very happy about any success, and innovation within CCTV industry, especially if it is Hungarian.

But please offer a demo unit to John and his team. I'm so excited to see an objective test, I did mine.

Bests

Mohamed RABAH

In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 07/27/16 09:46am

Dear

I don't know what is the problem with single case might be due any reasons .

but their products already worked here in Cairo , Luxor and Sharm el sheikh even in our high temperature .

I posted pictures of the Cairo project and I have a huge library of videos and pictures for other projects .

we don't have nothing to hide even our pictures and names .

thanks

Undisclosed Integrator #4

09/20/16 12:52pm

20MP with 5MP cheap plastic lens and JPEG2000 compression ?

Doesnt sound too good.

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Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #4 | 09/20/16 02:07pm

Hi, good to know you are interested in our Products.
I am afraid your information is not valid. I try to find a plastic lens at Logipix, but fortunately I didn't find. :)
CEO would be an "Angry Bird" if I ever find one.

Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs | 09/20/16 05:52pm

Could you be more specific?

The statment had two part:

- plastic lens (what I know it's a sketchy statement, forgive to him)

- 5MP part (what I know is your weak point as I had in my hand, also know the manufacturer)

Just without citing here the whole range. Your 20MP camera have 1" sensor an you use for example this lens:

http://www.logipix.com/index.php/download/send/36-lenses/633-lobj-25

It is quiet familiar:

http://www.tokina.co.jp/security/cctv-lenses/mega-pixel-lens/tvr1426hd-ir.html

It's an 8 Mpx (it's even closer to 5 than 20) lens on a 20Mpx camera...

If we go down to your 1/2 inch 15Mpx camera the case even worse (with 5Mpx lenses).

Not talking about the manual aperture lens in 2016, which also raise several question, when you can just set shutter speed as you aperture is locked (should cite here Airy disc, lens diffraction, ask the dev guys how this affetcts on picture of you stop down a lens, or the opposite, how the open aperture cause image quality issues)

These are facts from your page and from the lens manufacturer page.

What you did is the essence of marketing, and you did a great job, answer the first fall silent on the second. But some of us have these anoying facts in the pocket.

I know, I'm a funny guy as you mentioned, but had a chance to test in lab, and know how physics affect image quality...

Have a nice evening.

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Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs

In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 09/21/16 12:05pm

Dear Undisclosed 3 End User,

I confirm the problem you mentioned. The quality of the lenses is a big problem for the full CCTV industry.

All the manufacturers and distributors are speaking about the number of pixels of the sensor and practically nobody nowhere mention the effective resolution of the camera.

The effective resolution of the camera depends on many factors as below:

  • Environment conditions, illumination
  • Light sensitivity of the lens
  • Quality and resolution of the lens
  • Precise positioning of the lens and the sensor
  • Resolution and quality of the sensor
  • Image processing and filtering applied
  • The compression method used

All these together effects the final resolution of the camera.

Providing good result all these factors should be optimized together.

Logipix has a strong strategy regarding the lenses:

  • We set up a direct connection to the original lens manufacturer in order to able to influence manufacturer’s quality control
  • We are measuring piece by piece the quality of the lenses we are selling
  • Based on this Logipix quality control and the pre-selection of the lenses by the manufacturer let us to maximize the image quality beyond the level what the typical system integrators could reach

Let me show you an example, 4 years ago one of our customer selected a high branded lens for his 15 MP camera based project.

We compared the lenses in a real environment. We used Logipix lenses for the left and middle images and we used the high branded lens previously planned to be used by the customer for the right image.

Logipix lens test

After this field test the customer accepted our proposal for the middle lens.

It is important to mention, you could use any lens what you prefer for the Logipix cameras. We are offering the Logipix lenses as a powerful option, where we could provide a solid performance at reasonable price level.

You are also in Hungary so please visit us in Budapest where we could clarify all your questions in details.


Best Regards,
Klaudia

Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to Klaudia Hartmann-Kovacs | 09/21/16 03:58pm

That's cute :)

You constantly avoid a thing what I mentioned several times. I tested by myself to be exact with this CHART, and know well imaging not only because CCTV, but I have a photographer experience around 16 years or so.

Till the reality in omnifarious light conditions ignore your written specs (not with 1-2% for sure I'm not hairsplitting here) I don't care about your internal marketing docs, or tests.

If people could believe on manufacturers regarding specs, objective competition comparing companies (oh triple alliteration) like IPVM would die.

So my "message" in short. I believe to my eyes and my experience and own lab measurements. I won't visit your office, as I had the chanche to test, so what else you could tell me? As you know "a picture is worth a thousand words."

Take care

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