Competing Against Tyco IS / JCI

Author: IPVM Team, Published on Jul 28, 2017

Mega-integrator Tyco Integrated Security has gotten even bigger with the 2016 merger with Johnson Controls.

110+ integrators told us what they thought how Tyco IS / JCI and how often they compete with them:

The clear majority of integrators compete with Tyco IS / JCI at least some of the times. However, compared to other large integrators surveyed, integrator respondents were particularly negative about Tyco, criticizing them for:

  • Poor service
  • Poor ethics
  • High Prices
  • Unwieldy size
  • Badly designed bids
  • Highly monthly charges

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***+ *********** **** ** **** **** ******* *** **** ** / *** *** *** ***** **** ******* **** ****:

*** ***** ******** ** *********** ******* **** **** ** / JCI ** ***** **** ** *** *****. *******, ******** ** other ***** *********** ********, ********** *********** **** ************ ******** ***** Tyco, *********** **** ***:

  • **** *******
  • **** ******
  • **** ******
  • ******** ****
  • ***** ******** ****
  • ****** ******* *******

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Bad ** *******

*********** **** ** **** **** *** ******* ********* ****-***** *******, allowing **** ** ***** **** ********* ****.

  • "**** *** ******* ** ***** ******* ********** **** **** **** finished ** ************."
  • "** **** **** ** ******** ******* ** ***** ********* ******, our ***** **** *** ******** ****** *** ** ******* ****** value *** *** *** ****."
  • "**** **** ******** **** *********** **** ***** **** **** ** handle ******** ****, ***** ****** **** ****."
  • "** **** **** ** ******** ******* ** ***** ********* ******, our ***** **** *** ******** ****** *** ** ******* ****** value *** *** *** ****."
  • "*** *** **** **** / *** ** ********* **** ***** nationals ** *** **** **** **** *** ** ****** ** sales, *** ** **** ** ********* *** ******** ************."
  • "**** ** **** ** * ****** ** ***** ***** ***** customers **** ***** ** * **-******* ** * *********** ** support ********."
  • "* *** ** ***** **** ***'* ******* ** **** **** sell."
  • "**** *** ** ** **********, ***** ******** ******* ** *******."
  • "**** ** *** ********* ** **** **** **** ****,**** **** before **** *** *** **** *****."
  • "***** ********** *** ******* ** *******.."
  • "**** *** ******* ** ***** ******* ********** **** **** **** finished ** ************."
  • "*** ******* ***** * **** ** **** **** **** ** their ********* *** ********** ******* **** *** ***** ** ******* they ***; **** **** ***** ** ********** ****."

Ethics *******

*********** **** ** **** ********* ********* *** ******* ****'* **********.

  • "***** *** ******** *** ** ****** *** ** *** **** when ** **** ***'. **** ** *** ******. **** **** entire ******* ******* ** ****."
  • "***** ****** *** **** ** ***** ********* **** ******** ******** with *********** ** **********, ************, *** *******."
  • "**** **** ** ***** ***** ****** ** ****** ***** ******* wishes *** ***** **** **** **** **** *****."
  • "** **** ********* ** *** **** ** ******** ******** **** a ** *** ******** ******* ** *** * **** ******** warranty. **** ***** *****."
  • "**** ********* '***' * *******, ***** *****, ***** ****, ***** deliver, *** * *** ** ********* ****** ** ******* *** quality, ********* *** ****** *** ******** *** ***** ***** *** corporate ********. ***** ***** **** ******* **********, ****'** *** ****** to ****-****** ******** *** *** **** ** ****."
  • "***** ********** ***** ******* **** ** ** ****, ***** ** bad ******** ********, *** **** ***** ** ** ** *************** top-heavy ********** ********* **** **** ******** ******. **** **** ** have **** **** ******, *** ****'** *** ******* **** ******** and ******** *** ************ *********, ***** **** * ********* ****** and * ****** ** ********* *-***** **********."

High *******

**** *********** **** ** **** **** ***** ** ****** **** high *******, ******** ***** *********** ** ******** ****:

  • "**** ********* *** **** *** ******** *** ** *** **** I **** ****** ** ***** **** ***** ******* ** *******."
  • "**** *** ********* ***** ***** *** *** ** *** ******* and **** ******."
  • "*'** **** ******* **** **** **** ********* **, *** **** underbid **** ** ******* ******** **** **** ********** *** ** company, ** * ***** *** *'* ********* ** ***** *******."
  • "********* **** *** ************* **********."
  • "**** ***** ********** *** ** **** ****. ***** **** *** name ***********, *'* *** **** *** *** ********* ***** ****** them."
  • "** *** **** ** *** **** ** **** ****, *** only ** ***** *** **** ** **********. **** **** ******* up ***** **** ** *** **** **** *** *** ******** to ******* ****** **** ****** ********** *** * *** **** aggressive ** *****."
  • "**** ** ** ***** ********* ** **** ** ***** ****** on *** ****** ***** ****."
  • "** ******* **** **** ** *** **** **** *** ** our ******* ** ** ** ***** ***** ******* **** ** need **."
  • "********'* ********** ** ******* *** **** ** ********* ** *******."
  • "**** ** **********."
  • "******* ****** ** *** ******."
  • "****/*** ******* *** *** ******* **** "*********" ** ******* ** accept *** **** ** *** **** ****** **** ** * result."

Merger ** ****** ****** *********

*********** **** ** **** *** ****** ******* **** ** *** Johnson ******** **** ****** **** ******** ************, *** **** ****'* reputation *** ******** ** * ******.

  • "**** **** *** ******* *******, **** **** **** * **** job ** ******** *** **** **********."
  • "**** / *** ** ***** ********* **** *** ****** ****** to ****** * *** ********. ***'* ********** ** *** ******* in *** *********."
  • **** *** *** ******** ** *********** **** **** ** * force ** *** ********."
  • "***** *** ** *** * ***** ** ** ******** **** , *** **** ******** **** *** ******, ** **** *** had * *** ** *********** ** ********* **** ****."
  • "******* ******** *** * **** ********** *** **** ** *** had **** ********** ******** *** **** **** ** **** ** improve **."
  • "* ***** **** ***** **** * *** ** ****** *** organizationally."
  • "******* ******** **** ** ****** * *** ****** *******. **** IS ** ****** ** *** ********** ****, *** **'* ******* pretty ***** *****."

Too ***

*********** **** ** **** **** ** ** *** *** ** focus ** ********** *********, ******** **** ** ** ****** ** better ******* *** ******** *********. ******* **** ***** **** ******* or ****** ** * ****** ** *** ******* ******** ****** remains ** ** ****.

  • "**** *** *** *** ** ** **** ** *********** ** customers. **** *** **** ***** ********."
  • "** ***** **** *** *** *** ** ** * **** job, ** **********, ** **** **** *** *** ********."
  • "* ******* **** ******/ ******* ******** **** ***** ********* ** numbers *** ** *** **** ** *** ******* *** *** necessarily ** ******** ********."
  • "*** **** **********, ******** ** **** * ****** ** ****."

Difficulty ******* ****

**** *********** ********* **** **** **** **** *** ******** ********.

  • "**** *** *** **** **** ** ********. **** **** ******** on ************* ** * ********. *** ***** *** **** *** not ******* ******** *** * *********** ***** ** ******** **** were ******** ** *** ****. *** ***** **** *** **** and **** **** ***** *** ******** ********. *** ******** *'* aware ** *** **** ** ******** ******** *** *** ******** systems."
  • "**** *** ******* **** **** **** ***'* **** * ***** about. **** **** **** *** ******* *** ********, **** *** to ****** ** ***. **** ** **** *** *****. **** have **** ********* ** ** *** ***** **** ** * job ** *** ******* **** **."
  • "***** ****** *** ******* ****** ******* **** **** *** ********* know-how ** ***** **** **** * ****, *** ** * result **** **** **** *** ** ***** ******."
  • "** *** **** ** *** **** ** **** ****, *** only ** ***** *** **** ** **********. **** **** ******* up ***** **** ** *** **** **** *** *** ******** to ******* ****** **** ****** ********** *** * *** **** aggressive ** *****."

Charges **** **** ******* *****

***** **** ***** **** ******* *******, ******* *********** ********* ****'* high ********* ******* ******* ** * ****** ****** ** ****** to ******* *******.

  • "** ***** *** ******** **** **** **** *** ** **** customers ******** ** *****-****** ******* *** ******* *******."
  • "** **** **** * ******* ****** ** ****** ********** *** to ***** *********** ******* ******* *** ************* ** *********** *** pricing."
  • "**** ***** ******* ********* *** *** **'* **** **** ** go ** *** *** ***** *******. **** ****** ********** ******* rates *** ** *** ***** **** ** ** * **% discount *** ***** ** ****** ***** *****."

Comments (6)

John Honovich

IPVM | 07/28/17 02:05pm

* ****** ********** **** ** ** ******* ******* ****(********* ********** *** ******* ************* ***) **** ********* ***, *** excerpts:

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to John Honovich | 07/30/17 09:03pm

* **** **** ******** *** **** ****, *************** ********* *** * ******* ******** ******* ********* ****** *** **** the ******* ****** ** *** ****** ***** ********.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to John Honovich | 07/31/17 11:56am

***, **** ** ***. *****'* **** ** ****** *** **. The ******* ****** **** ***'* **** ***** **, ****** *** trying ** *** *** ****** ****** **.

Undisclosed Integrator #2

08/01/17 04:23pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #3

08/02/17 01:13pm

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***** ** ******* ********* ** ****** ********** ** **'* ****** in **** ********* ** **** ****. ******, ****** *** **, it's *** **** ********* ******* **** ********* *** ***** ***** from **** *************.

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* **** **** ****** *** **** (*** *** ** ****** - *** ********* ***********) - *** **** *** ***** ***** employers ** ***** *****. ** * ******** **** *** **** embarrassing ** **** *** - *** ***** ** ***** ********* customer *********** **** *** ***** *** *** ***** *****. ** would ** **** ** *** ** ******** *** ***** **** my *** ********* ********** ****** **** ******* ** ******.

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Steven Burman

08/02/17 03:36pm

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