ISC West 2015 Show Full Report

By: IPVM Team, Published on Apr 14, 2015

The IPVM team spent 3 days on the show floor going through what is new and what manufacturers are pitching.

Plus, we have been taking video throughout the show floor. Here is a look at the show entrance:

Inside, we have a whole show floor walk through (1 hour) and booth videos of 30 manufacturers, including Axis, Avigilon, Hikvision, Genetec, Milestone, Sony and many more.

Plus we have images, videos and commentary for a number of key themes:

  • H.265 at ISC West
  • Avigilon VIP Women
  • Why ONVIF, Why?
  • The Milestone Coupon Even Worse
  • $200,000 Wasted
  • A real 'micro' camera
  • Avigilon 7K On Display
  • Axis 33MP on Display
  • The Axis Wet Dog Feature
  • Canon and Milestone Happy Together
  • Taking Shots at Milestone
  • Axis is an Elephant
  • Seriously... Buy Canon Cameras
  • Cisco Snores
  • 'Breakthrough' in Price
  • The Montreal Philosopher is Back
  • Look at our Cheap Looking Cameras
  • Hey Caveman, Buy From Me
  • Avigilon - Text Only Please
  • Google is Here
  • Mirror Image

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Comments (63)

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Ross Vander Klok

IPVMU Certified | 04/15/15 01:53am

I was just happy to work my way through the maze of casinos to find where to pick up my badge. Now trying to find who I need/want to talk to on the floor? Not looking forward to it!

Undisclosed #1

04/15/15 02:08am

+1 to IPConfigure - witty and topical wordplay

-1 to Genetec - shouldn't one size fit at least one?

-2 to SES - caveman has no facial hair but does apparently have a gym membership

Keefe Lovgren

IPVMU Certified | 04/15/15 02:13am

"we don't say google because that would scare people."

i love that, thanks for the laugh...

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | 04/15/15 02:18am

Give it up to ONVIF for the timely pop culture reference! ...oh wait

I guess Pee-Wee Herman was too dated?

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Brian Rhodes | 04/15/15 02:27am

Pee-Wee is at least making a new movie...

Matt Transue

In reply to Ethan Ace | 04/15/15 03:03pm

At least nobody pulled an Elvis off the street.

Keefe Lovgren

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Brian Rhodes | 04/15/15 02:32am

and they forgot to put their booth number on the banner...

Undisclosed #2

In reply to Brian Rhodes | 04/16/15 09:16pm

Speaking of ONVIF and Austin, has anyone got a chance to check out the lair of archrival HD-CCTV?

Lecture by Dr. Evil Todd.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 04/16/15 09:19pm

Once the 'Alliance' simply became a marketing arm for Dahua, it stopped being relevant. He is super active on LinkedIn groups, battling with random people, so if you miss him, check that out.

Undisclosed #2

In reply to John Honovich | 04/16/15 09:45pm

...they stopped being relevant.

It wasn't hard to do.

Anyway, if the crew is in the neighbourhood, I'm sure he's worth a quick reaction-shot pan, even if just for historic reasons.

Undisclosed #2

04/15/15 06:06am

Many of you don't know this, but Austin Powers happens to be an ONVIF member. (A full member, of course.)

Look for him at ONVIF's booth at ISC West! - Facebook

They're just kidding, right? ;)

Undisclosed Manufacturer #3

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 04/15/15 12:28pm

Member - LOL. I know it is Vegas but I don't want to see his full member...

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Michael Archer

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 04/16/15 01:48am

I thought austin powers was a GoldMember

Eric Fleming Bonilha

04/15/15 08:03am

I still don't get this IPConfigure announcement... what are they talking about??? Certainly they did not acquire the company Cannon that bough both Milestone and Axis...

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Eric Fleming Bonilha | 04/15/15 08:10am

English wordplay. Perhaps a visual will help:

Eric Fleming Bonilha

In reply to John Honovich | 04/15/15 08:16am

Ahhhhh... sneaky...

Undisclosed #2

In reply to Eric Fleming Bonilha | 04/15/15 08:52am

I think it would be clearer if you read this release from the vendor.

Basically it explains how IPconfigure bought an antique artillery Cannon. Apparently they are now charging or about to charge with it to the front line somewhere.

Once there, it is to be used in metaphoric defense of open and independent systems, which have been threatened by recent industry manuevers. (This is most likely an oblique reference to the Axis/Milestone subjugation as well as other recent deals.)

Ironically, that ends up pitting their antique war 'Cannon' against the similar sounding, but otherwise unrelated electronics manufacturer, 'Canon', since they were the ones who actually acquired Axis/Milestone.

It is a funny coincidence. But it is clearly just a coincidence. ;)

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 04/15/15 09:00am

Hopefully, they don't inadvertently blow up the Samsung booth:

Undisclosed #2

In reply to John Honovich | 04/15/15 09:13am

IMHO, bringing Samsung into the conflict would be a grave error for IPconfigure.

Sound military strategy would insist on gaining a forward base for the powerful Cannon. Of the allies, Hikvision is the logical choice because of its line of sight paths to all three targets. Should be in place no later than Day 2.

Undisclosed #2

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 10/23/15 05:19pm

IMHO, bringing Samsung into the conflict would be a grave error for IPconfigure.

Yes, it would have been.

Hanwha Techwin Big Gun Ready

John Honovich

IPVM | 04/15/15 01:29pm

Tweet of the show so far?

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

04/15/15 02:44pm

in the hotel this morning, along with the USA today outside my door, was a sample Milestone Husky and a coupon for 50% off my next purchase

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Hal Bennick

Trafficware, a CUBIC Company | 04/15/15 02:48pm

IpConfigure is charging ahead with horribly outdated technology?

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Hal Bennick | 04/15/15 02:50pm

How so, Hall? ipConfigure was one of the earlier adopters if HTML5 I saw.

Undisclosed #1

In reply to Luis Carmona | 04/15/15 02:58pm

maybe he meant the 19th century cannon?

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Hal Bennick

Trafficware, a CUBIC Company | In reply to Luis Carmona | 04/15/15 03:18pm

I was referring to the cannon, not to IpConfigure. It just seemed like odd symbolism to me - using an antique as a symbol of your progressiveness. It would be like having Lindsey Lohan as a symbol for sobriety.

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Hal Bennick | 04/15/15 03:20pm

I can see that, Hal.

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic | In reply to Hal Bennick | 04/15/15 03:00pm

Now, that's some high quality snark. Well done.

Undisclosed #2

04/15/15 04:27pm

Typical hyped announcement, long in vague claims, short in actual specifications.

Do we even know the focal length of this cannon?

Request Ethan swing by IPconfigure booth for standard shootout...

Steve Mitchell

04/15/15 05:47pm

Because Austin Powers knows how it feels to integrate a camera/VMS.

Undisclosed #2

04/15/15 06:39pm

Keynote Soundcheck

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 04/15/15 07:00pm

I am starting a rumor that Kevin James will be at the IDIS booth tomorrow...

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic | In reply to John Honovich | 04/15/15 07:01pm

Oh, yeah, I heard that too.

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Hal Bennick

Trafficware, a CUBIC Company | In reply to John Honovich | 04/15/15 07:05pm

I think I saw him racing some of the IDIS guys on Segways....

John Honovich

IPVM | 04/15/15 07:25pm

The Cannon up close:

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic | In reply to John Honovich | 04/15/15 07:26pm

That's actually a pretty sweet cannon. I should get one of those for my office.

Undisclosed #2

In reply to John Honovich | 04/15/15 07:48pm

Looks to be around f/5.6 or worse. Expect a daytime attack.

Undisclosed End User #5

04/15/15 07:36pm

One Size Fits None

Sean Patton

04/15/15 07:58pm

"Listen, it's great for the market but a tolerance for lower profit margins is not really a 'breakthrough'." Lower list price does not directly correlate to lower profit margins in any way...

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Sean Patton | 04/15/15 09:50pm

"Lower list price does not directly correlate to lower profit margins in any way..."

Then you are assuming they have some significant cost advantage that enables them to maintain margins despite the lower costs.

I do not imagine Samsung Techwin can make cameras that significantly less expensive than Axis or Sony, ergo my statement.

Sean Patton

In reply to John Honovich | 04/16/15 02:22pm

Oh, I wasnt thinking about their margins, that doesnt factor into the integrator's margins as far as I am concerned.

From the integrators perspective we can make more actual profit dollars at a higher margin percentage, with a lower sell price to the customer vs some of the other big name manufacturers.

I read the original statement as a comment on taking money out of the integrator's pocket.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Sean Patton | 04/16/15 02:53pm

Ok, got it.

Btw, I agree with the integrator more money phenomenon in the short term, while sharper / more aggressive integrators take advantage.

The problem is typically in the long term, more manufacturers match and the whole market moves down.

Dale Coulthard

IPVMU Certified | 04/15/15 09:50pm

On the Ubiquiti Micro cam - distributors are taking pre-orders. Did they happen to say when they are going into production for resale (not just show models)?

Brandon De Libro

In reply to Dale Coulthard | 04/15/15 10:32pm

I just got a price of $93.79 each or 3 for 276.55 pre-order from my vendor - With a $99.00 MSRP there is no margin.

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Hal Bennick

Trafficware, a CUBIC Company | In reply to Brandon De Libro | 04/15/15 10:55pm

Maybe they'll start giving out coupons....

Undisclosed #6

In reply to Brandon De Libro | 04/16/15 10:29pm

Maybe you're not their target customer?

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Hal Bennick

Trafficware, a CUBIC Company | In reply to Undisclosed #6 | 04/16/15 10:58pm

It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that the bulk of the UBNT strategy lies in developing nations, not in the US.

Michael Miller

In reply to Dale Coulthard | 04/16/15 01:41am

Good luck wiht UBNT as they have a history of announcing products then shipping them 12 months later.

Carlos Espinoza

04/16/15 03:30am

Did you see the 2MP 1920x1080 22X Onvif Mini Speed Dome from Longse? It's small, but seems to be a bargain for less than 200.00 bucks.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Carlos Espinoza | 04/16/15 10:18am

Carlos,

I don't trust Longse at all. We tested Longse here and it was terrible. They also use super aggressive spam tactics.

Do you currently use Longse cameras? How have they been working for you?

Carlos Espinoza

In reply to John Honovich | 04/16/15 05:52pm

A year ago I tried their HD SDI cameras and worked good. Four months ago I decided to test their IP cameras and NVRs.

I don't like the NVRs sometimes they work, sometimes no. But the cameras are working ok (dome and bullet types). I chose the ones with varifocal lenses 2.8-12mm, WDR, IR and POE (dome US$ 55.00 and bullet US$ 62.00).

We use NUUO as the VMS and they work fine with it. I compare the quality with the Wisenet III from Samsung and if Samsung image quality is 9, the Longse models are an 8. Also I don't know why but they have less lantency than the Samsung models.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Carlos Espinoza | 04/16/15 07:34pm

"I compare the quality with the Wisenet III from Samsung and if Samsung image quality is 9, the Longse models are an 8."

WiseNet III has some of the best WDR and low light (non-IR) on the market. You are claiming that Longse is nearly the same in WDR and low light (non-IR) as WiseNet III?

Undisclosed #2

04/16/15 04:19am

So Austin Powers is lecturing on ONVIF, not kidding.

Wow, they have been pushing this Austin Powers thing for a couple years now, in multiple media formats, and now live?

What do you think the cost is for usage rights to the name and likeness?

Keefe Lovgren

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 04/16/15 01:35pm

Does onvif expect anyone to take their seminar seriously? Seems more like a comedy act. Then again maybe that works.

Luke McKay

04/16/15 12:11pm

Hey John just a quick suggestion for the videos.. Can you guys kill the camera on wheels shots? Maybe get a DJI Ronin or a simple stabilizer http://www.adorama.com/FPSTAB5.html ... Just saying, it kind of becomes nauseating after a few mins of watching.

Undisclosed #2

In reply to Luke McKay | 04/16/15 02:56pm

Just saying, it kind of becomes nauseating after a few mins of watching.

Personally I was sickened by thinking what else one could do with $200,000.

Chris Dearing

IPVMU Certified | 04/17/15 05:26am

The floor is abuzz with the news of the new Husky II - Mall Cop II cross promotion, featuring the iconic Paul Blart rhetorically asking "Who you calling Husky?"

Reportedly, Blart nearly walked on the deal because he initially felt the Husky NVR was "too wimpy" and was nowhere near as beefy as himself. Milestone caved and quickly launched a beefed up lineup.

Additionally, it was revealed that the maligned Husky coupons, when redeemed, are good for 2 tickets to the Friday premiere. Conspicuous product placement during the command center scenes of the film itself should ensure Husky becomes a household word, and will be forever associated with corpulent cop.

[Note: This was satire. Do not attempt to use coupons as theater tickets]

Nils Petterson

04/17/15 03:46pm

anyone have experience with the equipment from KTNC USA booth 24109

John Heins

04/17/15 08:39pm
Hi Do you have also something positive. I read only negative things. Regards John from Poseidon Netherlands

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to John Heins | 04/17/15 08:45pm

John, we have more than 2 hours of videos above, that's 'factual' tours of the show. We have a review of H.265 at the show. We have more than a dozen new product reviews related to the show.

If you want something specific, feel free to ask.

As for the 'negative' things, the ad / booth critiques are very popular and well read. If you do not care for them, read and watch the things cited above or review one of our 325+ tests.

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Rian Schermerhorn

04/20/15 07:58pm

Now that it's all over, I'm sitting here wondering what "trends" I recognized other than the typical "better, cheaper, bigger, smaller" that we tend to get at these shows. I'm all for improving on what's already out there, but does anyone feel that there was really some key innovation on display out there that could actually disrupt the market in a big way? I am not speaking sarcastically...I'd seriously like to know your thoughts here. That said, sarcastic responses are more than welcome.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Rian Schermerhorn | 04/20/15 09:06pm

What do you consider 'disrupt the market in a big way'? Almost by definition, such events happen very rarely.

Last year, the two big new trends were analog HD and IP 4K.

For this ISC West, the two big new trends were widespread multi-imagers and lower bandwidth offerings.

Bob Damrau

05/02/15 05:27pm

While my "cruisin the show" time was kept to day three review, I found several unique platform solutions aimed at specific security operational missions. Nugget discovery required mining beyond the sea of guerilla and international replicators.

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