Cancel or Not? Industry Split Over ISC West

By John Honovich, Published Feb 26, 2020, 10:10am EST (Info+)

The industry is split, polarized, over whether ISC West 2020 should run or be canceled.

New IPVM survey results of 400+ respondents show heated responses on both sides.

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Inside this report, we share dozens of manufacturer and integrator responses pro and con, analyzing the best arguments for each side.

ISC West, in response to this survey, emphasized to IPVM that:

ISC West will occur as scheduled March 17 through 20th, 2020. We take pride in offering vital business opportunities to our customers, including networking, education and access to new products and technologies and are working diligently to ensure ISC West 2020 and our other events live up to our high standards.

Over the last few weeks, Reed Exhibitions and our partners at ISC West have been closely monitoring the COVID-19 virus and its impact on members of the global security community. We are collaborating closely with the Sands Expo Center and local public health authorities and following local, state and federal public health guidelines, including those issued by the CDC. We have additional precautionary measures in place, including enhanced cleaning and sanitization across all public areas and customer touchpoints in the show. We will continue to provide updates on our website as we get closer to ISC West.

Executive *******

** ****** ****** * ****** ***** respondents **** ** ********** ****** *** sharply *******. **** ***** **** ****** strong ***** ** *** ******, ***** one **** ********* ******* ***** ******** are ******** *** *** ***** **** concerned *****, ****, *****.

** ******* ********* **** ***** **** genuinely ***** ***** ******** *** *** going ** **** ************ ********** *** others ***********. ** *** **** ****, it ****** ****** ******* ***** **** was ************* *** ***** ***, *************, ISC **** ****** ** **** **** 3 *****.

Pro *** ****

** *** *** ****, * ****** contingent **** **** ***** **** *********:

  • "*** **** **** ** **, **'* Las *****. *** ********* **** ** know *** ** ****** ********** ** regards ** *** ***********..."
  • "** ******* *** ***** *** ****** and *'* ***** ** *** ****. I'll **** ** ***** **** * have **** ***** ***** *** *********** made ** *** ** ***** ***** is **** * **** **** *'* traveling (*** ** *** **** *****), avoid ********** *** **** ** ***** every **** * *** * **** sanitizer *******. *** *** ** *** show."
  • "* ***'* ***** ** *** ****** a ***** ****** ***** **** ** the ** ** ***** *** ******* to *** ***** ** **** ** ISC **** ****. ** **** *****, no *** **** *** ***** ** the ** *** **** **** ****** worldwide *** ******** **** ** ***** 2%. * ******* **** ** ********* due ** *** ******* ****** ** persons ** *** ** ***** ****** and *** **** ** *** ** being ******."
  • "* ***** *** **** ****** *** as ** (******* **** *** ***** pavilion ** *********). ****** *** ** team (** *** ** *****) **** be ********** ** *** **** *** to ******* ** ******. ******* ** are ***** ********* ******* ** ** way ****, ********** *** ************* ********. Hopefully ** ******** **** ***** ****** in ***** *******. **** ** *** market ***** **** ***."
  • "*** ** ** *** ******* **** sanitizes, *** */* ****** **** **** filter ** ******* *** ***** ********."
  • "*** ** **. **** ***** **** be ********* **** *** ************."
  • "*** ** **. *** ******** **** the *********** ** *********. ** **** have ** ****** ** ** **********."
  • "* ******* *** **** ***** *** doing * ***** *** ** ******* the **** ** *** ******** *** possible ***** ** *** *****."
  • "*** ** **. ** ****** *** stupid ****** ** **** **** ***** and ***** ******** ***** **** ****** be ********. ******** **** **** **** not **** ******* ** **** ** going ** ***** ***. *** **** it * **** ****** **** *** me ** ****** **** *** ***** knee **** **** ******** *** ******."
  • "*** ********* **** ** *** ******-***** is ******* *** **** ** *** flu. *'* *** ******* ** ** normal ****, *** ** *** ***** especially ******* ** ***** ******. * don't ***** ******** ***** ** ** changed, *** ***** ** ***, **-**. Again, **** ** **** *** **** of ******* *** ** *** *********. I ***** **** ** ******* ********* ISC ****, **** * ** **** the ***********."
  • "** **** ** ** ****** ** a ******* *****, ** ****** *** travel ** ******** ***** **** ***** is *********, * ******* *** **** 2020 ****** ** *** ** **."
  • "* ***** *** ** **, ******** my *** ******* ** ****** * scaled **** ******* ** ******** ********...**** ever ******** ** “*** **** **** Go **” 🌎"
  • "*** ******* **** ** ****** *** China ******** *** **** ***** **** smart *** ****. *** ****** ********* with **** ** ***** **** **** to **** ******** ****. ** **** to ***** **** ***."
  • "*'* ******** ****** ** *** *********, but *'** *** **** ** *****/******** already ***** **** * ********* ******'* be **** ** ********** ** **** a ***** ******. *********, *** **** must ** **!"

**** ** *** **** ********** *** show ** *** ******** *********** ** the ************ ***:

  • "* ***** **** *** **** ****** go ** ** *********. ***** *** precautions ***** ** ******* *** ****** of *** *********** (*****-**) *** *********, in ** ******* *** ***** *** overblown. ****** ** *********** ********** *** because ** *** ***-*********** (*.*. "*******") flu. *** ****** *** ****** **** likely ** ***** *** ******** ****** very **** **** * ******* *** at *** **** ***********. "
  • "** ********. ***** ** ***** ***** but **** ***'* * ********. *** just ***** ** **** **** ** scare ********* ** *** ** **** can ******* **. *** ********* **** is ******* ** *** ***. **** are **** ******* **** **** ***** be ******* *** **** ***** **** sticks ****** ********** ***. **** **** go **"
  • "*** ** **, * ** *** that *********. ** *** **** ****** decades ** **** ******** ****, ****, Swine ***, **** ***, *** ****. After *********** ***** **** ** ********* else."
  • "*** ** **. ********* **** ******* invested *** ****. ** **** ** educate ******. **** **** ***** *** use **** **********. ***** **** ****** system **** ********."
  • "*** ** **. **** ******* ***** name *** * **** *****?"
  • "*** ** **. *** ***** **** way ********* ****. *** *** *** other **** *** ***** ****** ******* regardless ** *** ****** *****."
  • "*** *****-** ***'* ******** **** ********* or ****** **** ***** ******* ******* of ******. ***-**** ****** *** ** is, *** ** ****** **** ** use * ****** **** ****-******* ** wear * ****, ** ** **."

Cancel ****

** *** ***** ****, ***** ********** cancelling ********** *** **** ** ********* disease:

  • "*********. ** **** ** *** **** pass ** *** *** / ** this ***** ** ********* ** ** the **. *** ****** **** ** ISC **** **** ***** *********** ******** with *,**'* ** ******, *** ** mention ********, *****, ***."
  • "* ***** *** **** ****** ** cancelled, ********** ** ***** ** *** many ******** ********* **** ** ** attendance. ** *** *** ********* ** so **** ******** *********, ** ***** extremely ****** ** ****** **,*** ** us ******* ** ***** **** **** surely ** ******** ** ** ***** some ********** ******. **** ** *** epidemics ****** *********. * ** ********** not ********* **** ****."
  • "*********. ** ********** *** ********** ** a ********** ** ********* (*******/***-*****/***********/*********) **** around *** *****. * ***** ** is * **** ******* ** ** unnecessary **** ** **** *****. ** will *** ** *********. **** ********* the *******."
  • "*********. *** *** ********* ** **** just ******* * ************* **** * Korea (** ** *******) ** ******* no ***** ** *** ***** *** decides ** ****** ** *****. *** incubation ****** *** *** **** ********** to ** ** ** **** *** the ******* *** *** **** ********, but *** ***** **** ** **. If ** **** ******, * ***'* be ******* ******'* ***** *** ** I *** *** ****** **** **** looks ****, *******, ******, **** **********, I'm ***."
  • "*** **** ** ****** *** ****. This ** * ******** ******* *** not * **** *** ** ************* tradeshow."
  • "****** *** **** *** ****** *** future *** * **** *** ****** with *** ****** ** **** **** is ********"
  • "* ** ***** ********* ********** **** the ****** ** ***** **** *** recently ****** ** ***** *********. ******* as *** ****, * ***** **** to *** ** ********* ** **** point."
  • "* ***** ******, ****** **** ** go *** ** ****** *** **** out ** **. * ***** *****/**** expo **** ****** **** *** **** the *****. * **** **** * pass, ***** **** **** ****** **** postpone ****..."
  • "* ****** ******* *** **** ****** be ********* ***** *** ******* ** better ********** ***/** **** ****** *** truly ********. *** **** ******** ********* and ** ** ******* ******* ** China *** ***** ***** *** ********/****** cases **** ** ** ********* ** a ****** **** **** *** ********* disclosed ** *** ***"
  • "* ***** ** ****** ***** ** cancelled *** **** ****. ***** *** virus ***** ********* ** ** ***** slows ****, ********** ***** ********* **** it ***'* ** ****** ** **** event, ********** *********** *** ********* ** the ****** ** **** ***** *** those **** ***** ** ******** *** virus ** *** ***** **** ***** countries."
  • "*'* *** **** ********* ** ******* exhibitors. ****** ** *** ****** ** outbreak *** *** **** ****** ******** take **** ** ******* ***. ******** postponing *** **** ** *** **** solution."
  • "** ****** ** ******* ***** **** virus ** ******* *** *** **********!"
  • "* ***** ***** **** ****** ** canceled ** ********* ***** ** **** a ****** ************* ** *** *****. Las ***** ** * ******** **** a ***** *** ** ******** **** around *** ***** *** ** ***** like * **** ***** **** ** be ********* *** * **********. * wish **** ***** ******** ***** **** epidemic ** ***** *******."
  • "*********. * ******* *** **** ** infection **** ** **** **** **** many ******** ********* ***************. *** ****** of *********** ******** *** ***** **** to **** ************ *** ********* ** too ****."

People ******* *********

*******, ***** *** ****** ******* *** canceling **** ******** **** **** *** already ******* ** ****** ** **** quite ******* **** **** ***** **, such **:

  • "* **** **** * *** *** other *-* ****** **** *** ******* that ******** ** **** *** ******* to **** **** ****. ** **** cancelled ****** *** ******* ***** ******* The **** ** *** ********** **** key ********* *** **** ******* ****...*** spreading ** ** *** ******* ** just *** *****."
  • "*********. *'* *** ***** *** * can't ******** *** **** **** * didn't ******. ** * *** ** exhibitor * ***** ** **** ***** on ** ****** *** ** *****. I **** **** ****** *** ***** than ***. * ******** ****** *** the ***** *** ******** ** *** company."
  • "******** ******** *** ***** *** ** see ** * *** ******"
  • "*'** ********* ***** ******* ** **."
  • "*’** ********* ** **** ** ***** of ***** **** ****. **** **** it’s ****** ** ** **** **** sorry. * ***** **** ** ** later **** **** ** ****."
  • "*********. * ** *** **** ** attend ******* * *** ** ** a ****."
  • "*'* *** *** ******* *** *** hills!"
  • "* ******* ** *** ********* **** outside *** ** ****** ** **** to ****** *** ** *** ***** associated **** ********* *** *****. * am **% **** * **** ** longer ** ********* ** ** *** issue. * **** **** ***** ** a ******."
  • "* ** *********, ** **** ****** flying ** **** ********* ***** ** the ***** ** ** ** ***** proximity *** * ****.... * ***** it ** * **** ** ******** if *** ******. *'* ****** ***** to ****** ** ***********."
  • "*********. **** ** *** ***** **** in * ***** ** ***'* ** sending ***************."
  • "***, *** ********* ** ** ***** for *** ********. ***** ****'* **** any ********** ****** ********** ***** ***** be ** *****. *** *'* *** going ** **** ******* ** *** virus."
  • "* ** *** ********* *** ** the ********* **** ** *** ***********. Air ******, ***** **** ** * heavily ********* **** **** **** ************* travels *** **** *** ** * highly ********** ***** **** *** ****** of ****** **** ******* ********* ****** the *****. ** ** **** *** worth *** **** ** ******, ** employees ** *** ********."
  • "*'* *** *****, ** **** **** it ***. ***'* **** *** ********."
  • "******* ** *********. *'* *** ***** because ** *** *********** ********."
  • "** * ******* ** **** ******** taken *** ******** *** ** ****** this **** ** * ***** **** to *** ** *********"

***** ******, ************** ***** ****** ******** came **** ***********. **** ***** ** viewed ** ******** *** ************ **********, though ** ************* ***** ****** **** integrator ********** ** *********, ** ***** lead ************* ** *** ***** ***** count *** *** ****.

********

* ******** ********* ******* *** ***** to ******** / ********** ****** ** the ****:

  • "** *** ***** ** *** ***** increases ****** ** *** ***** ** the *** * ***** ********** *** participation."
  • "** *** ****** ** ***** **** the **** ** ****** **** * finger ** *** ************ ******."
  • "******** ** ******* *** *********** *** testing ******** **** **** * ******** as ** *** ****** ** *** event *****."
  • "******** ** ** *** *** * significant ***** ** ***** ** *** US ** *** **** * ***** I ***** ** ****** ** *** as **."
  • "** ****** *** ** **, *** I’m ******** **** ** ********* ** different *******. **** ** ** **** are *********** ** ** *****, *** this ** ******* ****** **** *****. And ** ***** ********* ** ** growth. * *** ****. **** ** hand ********* *** **"
  • "** ** * *** ** *** news. *** ***, *** ** ** since ******* *** ****** ************ *** rules *** *****, **** ***** ****** measures **** ******* **** ********* ** every ***** ***** **** * ***. in **** ** **** **** ***** postponing *** **** **** ** * wise ********"
  • "* ******* ** ****** **** ***** March * ** *** ** *** of *** ********* ******** ** *** show ********* ******* ** *****. ** the ****** ******** ** ***** **********, it ****** ** ********* *** ** caution. ** ***'* ****** **** *** industry *** ** **** ******* **** countries ********. *** ** *** ********* would ** ** **** ****."
  • "***** ******** -** **** ******** **** into **. *** ** ****** *** worse **** ***** **** **** **."
  • "**’** ** *********** ** *** **** happens **** *** **** ****** ** weeks **** *** ****** ** *** virus... ***** ** **** ** ****** if *** ***** ********* ** ****** outside ** *****."

******, *** **** *** ************ **** they *** *** ***** ******** *** looking *** *** ************. ** ********* in *****, *****, ****** ******** *** any ****** ** *** **, ** could ***** ***** *** **** ** be ********* ** *********. ******* **** will ****** ** *** **** * weeks ** *******.

Case *** **********

*** ********* **** ** *** *** canceling ** ********* **** *** *********:

**** **** ********, ********** ** ***** to ** ******* ****. **** **** attendance, **** ***** * ***** ********** for **** ********* *** **********, *** lots ** ****** ****** ***** *** dying. **** **** ****** *** ****'* brand, ***** ****** *** ** * strong **** **** ** ** ***** shape *** **** ****** ***** (*.*., 2020 *** ***, **** **** ****** in ****, ****** ** ******, ****** we *********, ***.?)

**** **** *** **** ******** *** real **** ** ******* ***** ******** as ****** *********** ** *** ****, which ***** **** *** ****** ** a **** ****** *****.

** *** **** ******* *** ****, they *** **** *** **** ****, say **** **** ***** ********'* ******, avoid * **** **** **** *** set ** * **** **** ***** there ** **** ** ****** *** resume ***** ******** ****** ****** ** shows.

Case *** ******* ** **

*** **** **** ** *** *** running ** ** **** ********* **** this:

**** ****** *** ***** ***** ** go *** **** ******. ****, **** people *** *** ***** ** ****** but ***** ****** *** ***** ** be ************* *** ******** ******. ** they *** ****** ** *** ***, they ****** *** **** ****** ** making ***** *********.

**** ** *** **** **** ** significantly **** ***** ** ************* ****** than **** *** ***** ****** ***** provide *********** ***** ** **** **********.

*** ********** ** ******* ******* *********** at *** **** ** ****** ***** and *** *** *** **** **** business ******* ** **** ******** ******.

*******

*******, * *** *********** *** ****** realistic ********, *********** **** ***** ** not **** **** *** *********** ** done:

  • "** **** **** ***** ** ***** refunds **** * ***** ** **** with *********. ******* * ******* **** won’t ****** ** ***’* **** *** going."
  • "*** ** ** *** * ************ so ** ** *** **** *** us ** *** * ******. ** we ***** ** *****. **** ** and ***** ***** ********* ** **** checked **** ***** **** ** ****** but * **** ****** ** ***** may ***** ****** ** **** ***. These *** ********* **** ** *** have * ***** ** ***** ******** is *******. ** ***** ** *** show **** ** ** *** ** will ** * ***** ** *** former **** **** **** ******."
  • "* ***’* **** ** *** ** those ******* *** ******** *** *** host *** *** **********"

*** ******* ** **** ****, *** show ********* ** **** ** * $7 ******* *******, ** ********* *** West ************ ***** *** ** ******** to ****, ****** ***** ************ **** broadly ** ****** ***** ********* ***** such ************* ******** * *****.

*** ********** ****** ** *** ******** well:

"* ** *** ****** ****. * am ******** ** *****. ** ***** be * **** ** *** ** cancel *** ** *** ***** ** be *****. * **** * ***'* die..."

Comments (115)

Remember, ISC is not the only show. There were 21 conventions scheduled at the Sands between the first discussion of this on IPVM and the week of March 16. At least five are labeled "international" or "world". So far, none of them are cancelled.

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There were 21 conventions scheduled at the Sands

Can you provide a link?

When you google 'Sands Expo Center event schedule', Google has at least one major mistake - it is showing the HIMSS (Global Health Conference) as running in Vegas / The Sands next week, March 5th. That is a mistake, it is in Orlando this year, Vegas next year.

However, I got some good information from speaking with HIMSS. They plan to run next week but say anyone from a country with a CDC Level 3 warning (currently China, Venezuela, and South Korea) will be refunded / not allowed to enter. Right now, Japan and Italy are Level 2 but if coronavirus continues to spread in those countries, they could be elevated to Level 3. It will be interesting to see if ISC West adopts a similar policy, i.e., South Korean (and potentially Japan and Italy) attendees will be declined.

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Not sure of the link about Sands specifically, but here's a link to several Las Vegas shows, including one the week before ISC that advertises 129,000 attendees.

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Thanks! The 129,000 attendees one is CONEXPO-CON/AGG, "North America’s largest construction trade show".

They have a Coronavirus update page which is similar warnings but no cancellation.

What I don't know is how heavy this is a US show vs International. There are certainly international attendees and exhibitors, not clear though what percentage.

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I don't know the makeup of exhibitors/attendees - but my guess is that the demographic would be similar to ISC West. At least a lot closer than the Wedding Expos and Baseball shows that are also listed as being held.

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closer than the Wedding Expos and Baseball shows that are also listed as being held.

If by demographics you mean age and gender, sure.

But I am referring to the countries of exhibitors / attendees.

Definitely the exhibitor demo is much much different. In video surveillance / ISC West, only a minority of companies are from the US and more than 10% are (or were) from China.

Construction is almost certainly different than technology / electronics, in that respect.

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I meant the demographics of the attendees, not the manufacturers.

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if ISC West adopts a similar policy, i.e., South Korean (and potentially Japan and Italy) attendees will be declined.

ISC West confirmed that South Korean visitors "are still allowed to attend. See below for our official statement."

We are monitoring developments closely related to the COVID-19 virus. Customers who wish to participate in our events and who are not impacted by travel restrictions are free to do so. A number of countries, including the United States, have imposed travel restrictions to and from mainland China and other locations. We are following the latest guidance from local and national authorities, including the CDC and State Department, as it relates to travel to and participation in our events. Our understanding is that, for exhibitors with local representatives, the local representatives may be involved with the event. We encourage all visitors to review the statement available on our website at . This will be updated as more information becomes available. Please don’t hesitate to contact us if we can be of further assistance.

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The source was likely the same as what you found. I now see what you mentioned about HIMSS. It is at the Orange County Convention Center.

The point is still valid. Other conventions have continued across the US with no outbreak tied specifically to any one of them.

This really comes down to personal hygiene by all. Business must carry on.

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showing the HIMSS (Global Health Conference) as running in Vegas / The Sands next week, March 5th. That is a mistake, it is in Orlando this year, Vegas next year.

HIMSS has now changed from last week's "proceeding as scheduled" to now a more non-committal:

Over the last week, COVID-19 Coronavirus has become a global topic of concern.

Our top priority remains the health and safety of all participants at HIMSS20, including attendees, exhibitors, market suppliers, staff, industry partners, and others involved in the HIMSS Global Health Conference and Exhibition. Given the dynamic nature of this situation, HIMSS has assembled an external panel of medical professionals to further advise our evidence-based decision-making and to ensure the safety of the healthcare community currently planning to assemble in Florida for HIMSS20.

We remain committed to communicate regularly regarding our attendance and status.

In the meantime, many other conferences have cancelled including tech shows Adobe Summit and NVIDIA GTC, both scheduled for this month, respectively in Las Vegas and San Jose.

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I can understand its difficult for ISC West to cancel this. Im not going though.

One thing they could have considered is cancelling ISC west and simply making ISC east the big bangin show this year.

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simply making ISC east the big bangin show this year.

Not sure how much the Javits Center can handle right now because they are in the middle of a major expansion that they say will not be done until 2021, which has also taken out the larger upper area the show historically had been, forcing, e.g., ISC East 2019 to be literally in the basement.

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If the show is cancelled, I propose a meetup for anyone who still heads to Vegas at Margaritaville on the Strip. We will have a strict no hand shaking policy, no sharing of margaritas/Landsharks, and absolutely no passing of potentially contaminated business cards.

In all seriousness, I've booked my vacation time around this trip so I will be heading. IF the show does get cancelled, it would still be great to meet up with some industry folks who will be there regardless, like myself. Maybe John and the team at IPVM can arrange something.

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Does that hold true for the beer flu?

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It seems I get hit with the beer flu every time I visit Vegas. Must be the weather...

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Yay! I am a realist. Someone tell my wife.........

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Why not just cancel and make ISC East a larger event? Would help grow East.

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The thought of trying to hold an ISC West level event at the Javits in fall scares me more than the risk of Corona.

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I went to NRF at Javits this year, it's a slightly bigger show than ISC West. I was surprised to see how big Javits can really be when they open up all the halls. For ISC East, Reed uses Javits' smallest hall.

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While the Javits could likely contain all the booths, I have found the union labor there to be less than optimal to work with for show setup. Then the timing of it, in the fall, brings unpredictable weather and related hassles. I do not think there are as many good hotel options close to the Javits as there are for ISC West. I would envision a large group like ISC West being very spread out, making it potentially harder to organize dinners and social events.

From an exhibitor perspective, there is not much about Javits and NYC in November that excites me.

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"Why not just cancel and make ISC East a larger event? Would help grow East."

Geographic location doesn't really matter.
Is there supposed to be less risk on the east coast?

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Geographic location doesn't really matter.

I believe their point is that ISC East is held in November which gives far more time (and the summer) to contain coronavirus, better understand its risks, develop vaccines, antiviral medications.

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Lets see..... Biz Trip. New York, Las Vegas....New York, Las Vegas........New York, Las Vegas........Eenie Meenie Miney.......Oh for God sakes, Vegas.

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Is anyone hearing of end-users potentially being told not to attend by their corporate or said corporate imposing any general travel restrictions to trade shows, etc? That's where I could see the bigger impact on any conference if F500 companies imposed restrictions to protect all their employees and it would domino from there.

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As of now, not at all.

Many F500's have internal travel programs that follow recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization.

Below are typical resources:

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

WHO | World Health Organization

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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Dwayne, thanks for sharing these links. I've been following Johns Hopkin's site since the beginning. If you look at the before and after screenshots from just 19 days ago, it can make you nervous about what could be just three weeks from now!

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Yes. Just spoke with an end-user yesterday (high- tech industry) who said their corporate office has informed all personnel that all international travel has been completely cancelled, and domestic travel is to be approved on a case by case basis.

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Yes, aware of at least one end user company cancelling their attendees and one major security industry company (not an exhibitor) cancelling attendance. These decisions might be driven by economic impact concerns as much or more then they are about health.

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I sounded this alarm before anyone else here. I continue to ask Why would anyone voluntarily attend?

Every conversation will put you at risk. Walking past people will put you at risk. They taking it from home to you, you taking it home to friends and family.

This is why the USA is bracing for it to spread not if, but when.

This is not living in fear, this is taking precautions for yourself, and the rest of humanity. It's a responsibility and a no brainer.

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lol was that patent intended for Undisclosed Integrator #3?

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Totally agree. I am not really concerned about the lethality, but very concerned about the pandemic easy-to-spread nature of the illness. This does not appear to be a world-ending "super-flu" but instead a very contagious and nasty flu that threatens to disrupt economies and businesses (just look at ISC as a VERY small example).

Microsoft and Apple have both announced that they will miss revenue targets due to supply chain disruption.

I believe Going to ISC is very simply an un-necessary risk to take at this time. Not a risk of death, but of disruption and spreading the virus further. The organization does not want to lose money through cancellation, which is a mis-placed priority in my opinion.

Also, learned this morning that there is a case of the virus in CA that is not associated with someone have traveled out of country...........

Cat is out of the bag................

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The mortality rate is higher then you think, and you should treat this as the worst case scenario rather then lax. Catching it and spreading it is also (as you agree) a huge danger, of which you could pass it to weaker people (children and elderly) and give them a death sentence.

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What is the mortality rate from Coronavirus in the US? Just Curious...

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No idea, but globally looks to be 1.8-2.3%

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My decision will be based on the healthcare system in the US and from what I've heard, there haven't been any deaths reported related to Coronavirus. Therefore, unless that changes dramatically in the next couple weeks, I will be attending ISC West. It appears from this forum though I won't have long waits to talk to vendors.

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Man/Woman, you're crazy! You may care less or feel strong about yourself, but think of all the potential people you could take it home to...

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I definitely do not mean to "minimize" the impact of a 1-3% mortality rate. In fact, I just did some quick research on the "Spanish Flu" pandemics [1918/1920] and found that the WHO estimates mortality rate was 2-3%. Many millions died around the world. So.......that's a bad thing.

"Spanish flu - Wikipedia">Spanish flu - Wikipedia

I read this book shortly after it was published, for those interested in a REALLY compelling story that is well told, check out:

Several important differences (in my non-medical man-on-the-street opinion):

1. Better communications to mitigate spread
2. Better health care (at least in the Western World)

Some things however, as still largely true or worse......

>The 3rd world is still lacking the above items
>There are WAY more people today, many of them living in close urban environments
>International (and domestic) travel today cannot even be compared to 1918

Hold on tight for the ride...................

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"I sounded this alarm before anyone else here."

What date and thread did you first initiate the conversation?

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I don't understand how people can say this is overblown. They are fooling themselves. It's not the mortality rate that's the biggest concern; it's the ability to spread without the exhibition of symptoms. This has the potential to disrupt everyday lives for the next year.

For those that say it's always been fine, this thing will kill 1-2% of your friends and family, and put others in the hospital. Even that low rate is enough to decimate your Facebook list. I hope we aren't friends.

I do not want to see a family member in the hospital for something I contracted while looking at products I can see again in a few months or learn about online. I can see someone that has the flu; I can't avoid people with this.

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I don't understand why people are so threatened by the Corona bug.

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If you have to look at others for reassurance to go, don't go. Make the call thats right for you and your team.

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Btw, ISC West send out an email yesterday touting "NEW PRIME LOCATION OPENINGS!" from the 100+ China exhibitors who cancelled recently:

It will be interesting to see how many they fill and at what price.

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I wonder why they are not offering 'free' upgrades to those already attending if they have that much open space. It would help them consolidate and incentive the people who were already on the fence to attend.

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Because it sets a bad precedent. Also, at this stage most booths are 70-90% through construction and layout sized for the original booth. It would be costly for most exhibitors at this point to upsize their booth. Finally, I think attendance is clearly going to be down. Is this the show you want to spend MORE money on your booth for LESS people?

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Fair Points. I guess I am just looking at thing differently. Either way if things keep developing the way they have been it may be a moot point.

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I think this is certainly indicative of what most people feel right now, split between people who shrug it off to those who are very concerned. I work for a large manufacturer and we absolutely have very strict travel requirements in place and an executive team that was formed to monitor our global workforce from the factories to the customer facing roles in each region. It is a highly complex issue and I am very happy that the executives in our company are taking the matter seriously. Travel is business critical only in most regions and strictly prohibited in others. In APAC we have office workers divided into groups, neither are allowed on the same floor in the office, or to interact in any way in person. My travel in the US has dropped dramatically and we are using all the available tools to maintain engagement but reduce risk for ourselves and our customers... certainly not a good look if someone from our company were to pick it up while traveling and then spread that at a customer site!!!

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I'm not a Vegas fan. A cancelled show would be a blessing.

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Actually, me neither. I dont particularly care for Vegas in general and once you make your 200th trip there, it changes your perspective. BUT. I recently accompanied my wife on one of her business trips. The spouses were invited. It was in Aruba. But compared to New York? I'll pick Vegas over New York every single time and Aruba over Vegas every single time. So its important to keep the answers or opinions in context.

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Vegas over NYC? Interesting. I would kill to get a business trip to NYC (western Canadian here).

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I guess thats OK. Thats cool. Like I said, its perspective. Im from Jersey and have spent an entire lifetime in and out of there on business and pleasure. Same with Philly. So I can see why you might romanticize a trip to New York being from out West. But honestly, its a shithole. I say that with "Jersey affection" to my New York City friends and many of them who have never left the turnpike feel the same way about Jersey. My wife loves the city and I have to be dragged into either of those cities when she schedules something - usually at gunpoint. (Queue the theme from Green Acres) We are getting off point...... These types of shows are really best suited for Vegas, trying to pull something like that off in New York is (I believe) one of the reasons why ISC East cant grow the way they want it to .

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I'm appalled at the selfishness, short-sightedness, and prioritizing of profits over people that this industry is demonstrating now.

Aside from traveling to a country with an outbreak, an international technology trade show in Las Vegas is about the highest risk scenario there is to catch this virus and put your family, friends, peers, employees, and customers at risk

This is a highly contagious possibly deadly virus that has no cure or vaccine, a 14+ day symptomless period as an active contagion that has only been around for 2 months and a there is only one way to test for it that takes coordination and multiple days to test for, and even a negative test doesn't guarantee the absence of the virus.

This virus is already responsible for global manufacturing and supply chain issues affecting our industry and it just started spreading. Why the hell would anyone make the choice to risk, no matter how low they personally perceive the risk to be, their business operations too?

Aside from the elevated risk to themselves, their young children and senior parents who have underdeveloped or compromised immune systems, they are risking their businesses and the people and assets they are being paid and trusted to protect. Delaying projects because you have 40% of your staff out sick on top of product delays..

We are a risk mitigation industry. There is a reason why codes, laws, and policies are mandated for low chance\high impact events (like fires and terrorist attacks) exist and we must spend billions of dollars implementing standards and technology to be compliant.

I'm sure many of the people who are making these poor decisions to go, or sending their employees, are profiting off of school districts who want to mitigate low chance\high risk events like active shooters, yet they are fine potentially being a carrier of a deadly disease to children.

Please think a little more about the potential fallout that COULD happen because of YOU.

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Great points. I have kept quiet on this but as a survivor of non-hodgkin's lymphoma I am not going. I asked my doctor and he said he recommended all of his patients not travel right now.

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I'm appalled at the selfishness, short-sightedness, and prioritizing of profits over people that this industry is demonstrating now.

Are you new to this industry or something? ;)

One, I think some people are genuinely not concerned and I don't think it's for greed or selfish reasons. But two, an event like ISC West is driven by salespeople who have a natural predilection for accepting risks for profits.

We are a risk mitigation industry. There is a reason why codes, laws, and policies are mandated for low chance\high impact events (like fires and terrorist attacks) exist and we must spend billions of dollars implementing standards and technology to be compliant.

I agree with this and have a similar mentality. While the industry may be focused on risk mitigation, sales teams are typically less so.

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I hear little hearts beating, soon the beating will stop!

Once the homeless community is stricken with the disease it will be GG.

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I am not one of those people ramping up the rhetoric of this virus nor am I one of those people who are scared to their wits end by Covid-19.

However things are moving at pace globally currently with infections on the increase outside of China. Korea has it bad too...

For me the issue for the organisers should be brand reputation. If someone whom is infected with the virus attends ISC West and passes on their symptoms en masse it will, rightly or wrongly, damage ISC West for years.

Better just call the whole thing off and play safe.

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I presume this will help GSX attendance if this virus has been whipped by then. For myself, I will go to Vegas either way, whether it's a vacation or the conference.

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Would you stay at Circus Circus?

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I think I'm gonna stay at the Luxor since they use Thief's Oil to tamp down the smell of cigarette smoke. If they are booked, then it's off to the Mirage. I'm making the bet that more people in the US will die from the flu this year than this virus.

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The real question is, are you going john?

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#12, I answered that a few hours ago here, copying below:

No, I do not plan to attend.

I can understand people who want to attend and can also see the business value for those who seek to generate big deals or whale leads but for me personally and our company, the potential risk is more than the rewards.

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That's it - I'm out! (and I was so looking forward to the Hikvision partner celebration).

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Same here. Im planning on attending but plan to minimize my time on the show floor to very specific booths, products, people I need or want to see. Throwing the money away due to lack of planning for a possible global pandemic aside, I have some pretty important meetings to attend. Its the one place I can catch alot of people from all over the country at the same place and time. So - I plan to cut out my "freestyling" thru the show almost entirely. (This, for me, after the mandatory stuff, is the part of the show I usually enjoy the most and where I frequently learn the most about new products and networking). But i gotta keep it real. There might be a silver lining here somewhere in terms of getting info from a booth much quicker than usual. But yes, Im watching the developments closely.

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Missed the vote recently, but a trade show isn't worth the risk. Nothing going on there that you cant find online. Hell most of the vendors cant answer my questions half the time anyway when you are face to face.

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In the comments collected there is substantial misinformation circulating. I recommend everyone review the content here: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | CDC

Regardless of the decision to attend or not, be informed.

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As I continue to book meetings and make plans around ISC West, I am seeing people falling into two macro-level groups:

1) Those that spend a lot of time online, on social media, and generally participating in "industry gossip" in some form or another - These people are either cancelling plans, or expressing hesitation around the show.

2) People that do not spend a lot of time online, many of which I would consider to be smart or well-informed generally speaking, just not online forum types - These people are still planning to go and in some cases are almost surprised at the idea of not going or the show being impacted by Corona virus.

For us, we have a relatively small booth (10x20), so less need to pre-ship a ton of things way in advance and easier to delay any decisions around reacting to Corona virus concerns.

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Frank, to clarify, that article is from 6 days ago. The coronavirus situation has worsened internationally in that time and I think that many, including Avigilon, are basing decisions on such changes.

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Vigitron have been exhibiting at ISCWest for about 2 decades but due to current situation we are seriously thinking about pulling out.

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I am not a fear oriented person and have never even thought about NOT going somewhere because of anything like this.

But the Coronavirus is not the normal virus impact. It seems to more closely match the CDC'd "Disease X" and whether justified or not, there are very serious reactions from major countries and organizations. Avigilon is likely the tip of the iceberg on this. We are seriously considering NOT going to ISC West at all. We already reduced our team attendance dramatically.

I would bet next week several more large and small companies will cancel their booths and far more will cancel their attendance.

Plus Vegas sucks! LOL.

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I was curious whether the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority had issued any press releases on COVID-19. On the one hand, it is in LVCVA's economic interest to get as many people to Vegas as possible. On the other hand, it would want to exhibit some level of responsibility and respond to concerns of concerned conference attendees and vacationers.

Well, as of the afternoon of February 27, I could not find any LVCVA news releases addressing COVID-19. Of course, that could change in the next few days.

LVCVA

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This news article lists several Las Vegas shows that are occurring as scheduled.

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We just had some people come back from an event in Vegas. As long as they do not die, we will still plan to attend ISC West.

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Maybe since social media wasn't around during previous epidemics they did not generate this level of concern and armchair quarterbacking. Or maybe I am too young and was just unaware of it all. I just found this great video visualizing the coronavirus so far and how it compares to other epidemics. Granted the coronavirus is not done yet so things may change but it is always good to compare to gauge impact

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When I took EMR training at TEEX every "skill" test required the following before any treatment could be rendered:

“Scene Safe, BSI.” These words have been uttered by every first responder who has ever received medical training. In fact, any responder who has performed a practical exercise for certification knows the first two mandatory skills to be completed on the evaluation checklist are: (1) Ensure the scene is safe before entering, and (2) Don protective gear (BSI – Body Substance Isolation). Ensuring the scene is safe is rooted in situational awareness – being able to capture the clues and cues that helps a responder comprehend what is happening. " Source... Situational Awareness Maters website

Regardless of how well you performed the skill you failed if you did not follow the basic practice of making sure you had proper PPE and your scene was safe enough for your to enter without placing yourself or your patience in unnecessary danger.

With this in mind.... how do you make an informed decision about the decision to attend or not attend?

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My booth, hotel, airfare, rental car have all been paid for.

I will be monitoring the US situation over the next two weeks. If the virus seems to contained, I will continue on to ISC West and visit with those who decide to go. I will have hand sanitizer and latex gloves in my booth and will be content with fist bumps and waves.

If it seems to take a turn for the worst, I will stay at home and watch my $$$ go down the drain.

My decision tree is complete. Just waiting to see what fate brings...

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A few of my family members are doctors (don't ask why I'm not.. my parents ask me enough) I asked for their opinions on all of this and provided a brief background on the show and its recent developments.

The one with the most knowledge in this area of medicine is anticipating a full cancellation of the show. She anticipates COVID-19 to be spreading locally by mid-March throughout North America.

Her advice if the show goes on: avoid if possible, but regardless you can expect a COVID-19 pop-up in your region in enough time, so it's either here or there.

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We have been trying to get confirmation from our key partners about their plans. Right now amongst the 4 biggest companies: 2 are 100% going, 2 are "monitoring it"

I too expect to see a wave of cancelations by exhibitors AND attendees next week.

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ISC West has added a large red banner on the center of their home page with Coronavirus information:

The show is still scheduled as is but the large red banner shows the severity they are now treating the coronavirus risk.

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Show goes on so they dont have to refund exhibitors.

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I don't know what's in their heads exactly but I think it's something like - "Hey most people are going to attend, this is just an overreaction, etc." Even throughout the past week, they were sticking to the claim of being on track for the same attendance as last year.

Of course, the big question is how much have the events of the last few days changed their outlook / expectations?

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This is what it comes down to. gREED expo is not going to take a loss on this show just to ensure the safety of attendees. Instead they'll just let it dwindle down and piss off all the exhibitors who are stuck paying the full ticket.

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I have some important client meetings set up at this event, but I think it's very unwise to attend; putting me between a rock and a hard place! My wife is scared, and so are my kids; one of which is high-risk for respiratory complications.

Here are possible outcomes:

1. Show happens, we hear nothing about it or we never find out if cases were spread from there. Customer meetings happen and so do sales, but questionable whether a sale would never have happened without ISC West. Nevertheless, for two weeks, every sniffle and sneeze will make me wonder if I caught something.

2. Show happens and a case is discovered. We all end up in home isolation, or worse, isolation in our tiny hotel rooms away from our families.

3. Show happens and two weeks later, I come down with it. I'll have spread it to who-knows-how-many during that two weeks; infecting all the people I'm closest with and possibly KILLING them.

4. Show happens, no cases come from there, but we get infected through our 'dealings' throughout the Vegas strip and hotels. Cases will be blamed on the conference.

Best case scenario is #1, but is it worth gambling for #2, #3, or #4? Looks like the odds are against me; worse than the blackjack table.

Is there any legal repercussions for the event or a company sending its attendees? I recently heard that companies may be held liable in some way; creating worker's compensations, etc.

Seems like the only reason this would be happening is MONEY; losing investments in the conference itself. If there were no money lost, would the conference still go on? I doubt it.

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Is there any legal repercussions for the event or a company sending its attendees? I recently heard that companies may be held liable in some way; creating worker's compensations, etc.

Related: new IPVM post - Hanwha Removes ISC West Coronavirus Waiver

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The only problem is the CDC and the US government care only about the economy, health is not REALLY their first priority. They would have forbidden large gatherings like some European countries and then reed would have no other choice.

But in this country Money is everything and they won't do anything that risks the economy in an election year even if it means spreading a virus in the population.

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I think another poll should be taken, how many of the people refusing to go to ISC West due to the Coronavirus are attending sporting events, school events for your kids, movies at the theater, etc. Due to the ability of people to travel the world relatively cheap these days and unknown origins in the US, you are just as vulnerable at any of these venues as ISC West.

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I think another poll should be taken

Why do you think the results would be different than last week? Since that was conducted, Coronavirus infections have risen significantly outside of China, Avigilon has dropped and it has become clear that many people are individually canceling going. Maybe these people are wrong but none of those factors would improve the poll results for it to run. Agree/disagree?

you are just as vulnerable at any of these venues as ISC West.

In Japan, they have canceled school, and a number of sporting events have been canceled, to your point.

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I'm just curious if any of the doomsday 'experts' are risking their health by attending other events that could be just as dangerous as ISC West. I work for a company that has cube farms and people that travel all over the world for business. I think I'm just as vulnerable working from the office as attending ISC West in Vegas. I don't have any health issues, at this point, that are compromising my immunity, so if the show is not cancelled, I will be attending.

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by attending other events that could be just as dangerous as ISC West.

I still don't think your examples are anywhere near as 'dangerous' as traveling across the country in airplanes, through airports, to a trade show with tens of thousands of people, having a few hundred face to face conversations with people from all over the world.

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I guess we'll agree to disagree...

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You are welcome to make your case why. I genuinely don’t understand why your example of going to a 2 hour movie is anywhere near as dangerous as flying to an 3-day international trade show.

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At a minimum, there will be asymptomatic carriers attending. It would be foolish to think that bringing 15K (even if typical attendance is 30K) people would not have at least 1 person, asymptomatic or symptomatic, attending. Breathing the same air, touching the same surfaces while interacting with the myriad of attendees from all over the globe. That is just the show floor, think of all the surfaces in the casino's like playing cards, slot machines, dice, etc. COVID-19 will definitely be rearing it's ugly head soon. What happens at the end of March when all those interactions come into play? Not being a fear monger, just realistic.

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According to health professionals, the virus is not transferred via air unless you happened to be a lucky one who is coughed upon. There are some simple steps that will help eliminate transfer via surfaces such as washing hands often, using hand sanitizer with at least 65% alcohol, don't touch your face, no hand shakes, etc.

According to latest stat's, 91 people in US have been affected with 9 already recovered. The only two deaths were people that already had major health issues.

Unless there is a major US outbreak in the next 12 days, I'm heading to Vegas.

I hope to see you there (booth 20146), but don't expect a hug and kiss from me!

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They also said that the virus has been in the wild for 6 weeks and we will start seeing alot more as they ramp up testing.

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According to health professionals

Always get a 2nd opinion.

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I think we can all agree, what happens in Vegas wont stay in Vegas this time. Just like herpes, COVID-19 will come back with you.

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IPConfigure will not be present in the 30x30 booth at ISC West 2020.

In light of the latest update from WHO with regards to COVID-19, IPConfigure has placed travel restrictions on employees for the next 90 days. Sadly, this means we will not be exhibiting at ISC-West. Our top priority is the safety of our staff/partners and not risk unnecessary exposure or exacerbate the spread of the virus.

Best,
Chris Uiterwyk
CEO

NOTICE: This comment has been moved to its own discussion: ipConfigure Will Not Be Present In The 30x30 Booth At ISC West 2020.

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Did I miss an update on JCI? I can't find the original post.

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JCI issued an air travel ban late last week:

We have not done a post on it since we have not yet confirmed whether JCI is exhibiting or not (i.e., if air travel is banned, how will they staff the booth?).

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I have changed my mind about this from when I responded a few days ago. I was really looking forward to the show. But, I am calling the airline tomorrow to cancel and hopefully, get most of my money back. Not worth the risk.

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dollars to donuts - The show WILL be cancelled.

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The only way this show gets cancelled is if the CDC pulls the plug on it. REED's CYA is by throwing the onus on the CDC and telling you wash your hands (Note to REED: all air dryers need to be disabled) and toss your hankie after use.

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The problem isnt the hand dryers as much as it is all those other people who dont wash their hands....its my only pet peeve about the show.

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On the toss your hankie note ... there was a cleverly choreographed scene in a movie called "Strictly Ballroom" where Stanley Tucci washes his hands in a public restroom and while spinning his way out of the restroom uses his paper towel to pull on the door handle and then smoothly shoots the used towel into a trash can.

This brings to mind the issue of the bathroom door handles putting germs right back onto your freshly washed hands on the way out of the restroom .... I sometimes use the paper towel to open the door and then discard it outside the restroom at the nearest trash can. Not being paranoid, but I really get grossed out if the door pull is wet from someone before me.

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The only restrooms at ISC with doors are the ones near concessions and are for handicapped.

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I would not touch the door pull regardless and I always walk out with the paper towel unless there is a trash can adjacent to the door. It's sad that some folks have an aversion to simple hygiene.

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Twitter just told all employees to work from home. This conference is toast.

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