My point is 'politics' was introduced by China many years ago and, for example, your employer benefited from this immensely. However, I have never seen any Dahua or Hikvision employees speak out against politics inside of China blocking out India, US, EU, Canada video surveillance companies.
I think IPVM is focusing too much on this issues. Just my opinion.
Definitely people can have different opinions on how much to focus on this topic.
In terms of IPVM, we see this as an issue of justice and ethics - the PRC has spent most of the last decade blocking out foreign companies, this was unjust and speaking out against it is the right thing to do.
And, more practically, a lot of people in the industry are reading about this, so while, for sure, there are people like you understandably think this is too much, overall, there is interest.
So, the interview posted here is from CP Plus (Aditya Infotech). Who is nothing but the next wrap-up around Chinese products such as Dahua etc? I suggest IPVM should reach to the REAL Indian OEM (if they get one genuine).
Thank you so much for taking the time to read the post and the interview.
Please feel free to reach out to me at email@example.com if you have contacts at Indian video surveillance manufacturers who might be interested in speaking to IPVM. The focus of my role within IPVM is expanding our international coverage and I am always looking to connect with industry professionals, especially professionals who have time to contribute quotes/share suggestions for articles.
Long post but since its a matter of 'justice & ethics' :)
As someone who has worked in the Indian Security Industry for over 15 years, who does not work for either Hikvision or Dahua and works very closely with the Govt. on Public Projects, here are my comments -
This has NOTHING to do with HikVision or Dahua. I can see how you probably made the connection but honestly I did not expect this from IPVM.
I have to say you have not really understood the amendments (I do not blame you since you may not be well versed with the nuances of such fine 'politically appeasing' wordings in such RFPs/Govt notifications, etc. in India).
According to the notice: (key words highlighted)
III. "Bidderfrom a country which shares a land border with India" for the purpose of this Order means: -
a. An entity incorporated, established or registered in such a country; or
b.A subsidiary of an entity incorporated, established or registered in such a country; or
c. An entity substantially controlled through entities incorporated, established or registered in such a country; or
d. An entity whose beneficial owner is situated in such a country; or
e. An Indian (or other) agent of such an entity; or
f. A natural person who is a citizen of such a country; or
g. A consortium or joint venture where any member of the consortium or joint venture falls under any of the above[.] [emphasis added]
This basically means - Hikvision/Dahua/Infinova (PRC) or Hikvision/Dahua/Infinova (India) cannot DIRECTLY bid for a public project in India, nor they can be a part of ANY CONSORTIUM/JV that bids for a public project in India.
Guess what - they NEVER DO. OEM's are NEVER the bidders in public projects in India. Public projects are usually bid by large companies who in general meet all the qualification requirements (e.g. Larsen and Turbo, Johnson Control, Siemens, etc.), once they are awarded a project, they go with the OEM who gives them the cheapest solution and then route the order through their distributor who does the installation. The OEM is ALWAYS in the background. Yes a customer may show his displeasure if lets say Hikvision or Dahua was offered but they usually concede on the fact that other OEMs (Axis, Bosch, IndigoVision, Pelco, etc.) will come no where close to the price of Hikvision or Dahua.
In India if there is Tender published or an RFP released - an OEM has worked on it, he has designed it and carefully worded it so even thought 3 others will qualify - he will win.
I have seen RFPs where approved makes are - Hikvision, Pelco, Axis & Bosch, guess what we know who's going to win that one.
I have seen RFPs where its mentioned in the RFP that the 'Country of Origin cannot be China or Taiwan' but those are generally customers who really understand what they want, who probably hired a consultant to write the spec or favor an OEM apart from Hikvision/Dahua.
While the Finance Ministry's July 23 order does not necessarily ban Dahua India or Prama Hikvision from bidding on public tenders, both companies are now required to undergo a DPIIT review and obtain Indian government political and security clearances prior to being allowed to bid on further public projects.
Where in the amendment does it mention 'both companies' - not sure I read it anywhere.
Now obviously someone like CP Plus or Sparsh (another Indian manufacturer of CCTV) will use this amendment (or even your article) to scare customers in falsely believing this is the case - but in all honesty that is not factual.
Unfortunately the CCTV cameras that are 'Made In India' do not come even close to the quality, features, experience (reference projects) to the existing players in the market. Their products are ideally suited for home, small retail, box pushing kind of deals ($50 to $100 range) and one would not generally propose them for an Airport or Metro (yet - maybe in the far future but still a very long road ahead).
We Indians want the 'high quality' and all the bells and whistles' but at Hikvision & Dahua prices.
Sorry but i expect higher journalistic integrity from IPVM.
P.S : This amendment is actually for the Metro Rail industry where bidders were PRC companies. There were 2 Metro projects awarded to them but eventually cancelled and project was retendered.
If you further study this you will realize -
While the first order barred public procurements from countries sharing land-borders with India, the second gave exemptions to certain neighbors whom India offers lines of credit. According to officials mentioned above, they could be neighbors such as Nepal and Bhutan. But, the notifications did not mention names of any particular country or group of countries.
UPDATE: the Indian Navy has ordered removal of all Hikvision video surveillance systems, mandating they be replaced with non-Chinese origin products, according to an "internal communication" obtained by The Week, India's largest English magazine. The memo, authored by the Ministry of Defense's Integrated Defense Staff, stated that even unconnected networks are not secure:
"This loss (data) could be through programmed or coded servers or embedded hardware for wi-fi or SIM-based connectivity, or during maintenance or replacement from the memory/cache of the CCTV and other surveillance systems," the note stated.
The Navy will have to buy cameras through India's Govt e-Market (GeM) which has "removed Chinese origin products from its portal as per the directives of the Department of Promotion of industry and internal trade (DPIIT)", per The Week.
The memo noted that Hikvision India markets "Made In India" (due to its India factory) yet Hikvision is PRC government controlled:
The modules of these cameras systems are supplied by the Chinese firm, however, these products are marketed as 'Made in India', MoD letter claims [...] one of the market leaders in surveillance cameras is Hikvision, which has 41 per cent Chinese government holding and it is operating in India through an Indian company's collaboration