Hikvision Quits SIA, Blames IPVM "Bullies"

Note: I only covered a small number of the various issues involved and criticisms Hikvision made to keep the post tight. I am happy to address or debate other elements, just comment below.

This has aged well, eh?

The old playing the victim routine.

Bravo Hondo!

Hey Hikvision! Its called reporting the Truth and facts. Keep it up IPVM. I personally look forward to your fact based reporting and analysis of the Security Camera Industry.

So they took a 'Hik'...or is it pronounced 'Hike'?

Ipvm- so,you are cool. I would not like to be among your enemies))

It is a compliment to IPVM that your coverage has so offended an entity which not only violates human rights, but may very well be a threat to the peace and security of the world.

I used to think Hik had some decent management level folks, but really, this is what they came up with as a plan of defense! These are the reactions of a 6 year old, like "I can't believe we got caught. Oh well, let's blame IPVM and it will go away!" There are consequences and these big corporations are getting away with not being held accountable. I don't want IPVM to back down, I want IPVM to ramp up and expose more wrong doings from Hikua and all the other law breakers.

Ignore the fact that we are 41.88% state owned by a regime that runs concentration camps, slave labor, forced abortions, organ harvesting, and racial profiling of an entire race of human beings... because IPVM is a big meanie.

Hikvision: This blogger bullies me so I am going to quit a completely unrelated organization.

Oh, that's just hilarious. fetch me my violin.

If this is their reaction, The Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act is REALLY going to make them weep.

I'm glad there are still people like those of IPVM. Continue in your work like this. I can't do much, but I will support you with my subscription.

Lol blogger side kick here, code name “Undisclosed”

The actions / reactions by hakvision make me think of a schoolyard bully

Way to go!

I would gladly pay even double the annual subscription cost to keep IPVM impartial and keep advocating to eradicate bad actors from the industry.

Politico is covering this story:

Hard to imagine how they could have chosen to make a comment like that (about being bullied) which only further damages their reputation. Why not bow out gracefully, and appeal to the typical corporate-political style of spinning and say something like '...we feel this is in the company's best interests' or 'we are reviewing our business model'...something along those lines instead of throwing mud.

Even more stunning, is how this reflects on the PRC gov. Not great for public image there either.

So NOW I read the SIW article. Cry me a river HikVision. As a current and former consumer of your product you have done nothing here but damage your standing with a longstanding customer.

“It has been disappointing and frustrating to witness the cynical, anti-competitive, unscrupulous, and disingenuous efforts of IPVM to target member companies and undermine the mission of SIA with its invective and opaque financial motives. " So much wrong here but let's start with the fact that IPVM is not a competitor and does not work on behalf of any manufacturer.

"“IPVM has harassed and maligned fellow members of SIA via a coordinated effort, from unethical hacking of Hikvision cameras, to misleading blog stories about those hacks, to surreptitiously seeding those stories in mainstream media sources, to then using those stories as the basis for lobbying efforts at the FCC and Congress to effectively ban fellow SIA members from U.S. markets,” the letter continues. “This is not the behavior of a member living out the ideals of professionalism, respect, honesty, integrity, transparency, and good faith that all SIA members are called to respect.”"

unethical hacking of Hikvision cameras? They BOUGHT Hik manufactured cameras, hacked them and then published the results but NOT the method of exploit. That is the very definition of ethical hacking.

"to then using those stories as the basis for lobbying efforts at the FCC and Congress to effectively ban"

Wait that is news! IPVM is the lobbyist responsible for the FCC and congress writing the rules and law (Sec 889) now impacting covered equipment. You folks really are powerful. Will you please write a rule that gives us the 3 million dollars we need for this rip and replace?

"“Yet the antics and agenda of IPVM, as an associate member of the SIA, has itself compromised the SIA’s operating system and placed its own infected code into the organization, turning what should be an advocate for the actual industry into an advocate against Hikvision as we try to compete fairly in the marketplace,” the letter states." IPVM as organizational malware. How does that work, exactly?

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John's response stands on it's own.

"Hikvision hides that it was under investigation for violating the SIA ethics code, based on a complaint we filed four months ago, on March 15, 2021. Hikvision, like Dahua which SIA recently expelled, has a long track record of unethical behavior and human rights abuses. Rather than risk being expelled, Hikvision has chosen to quit and blame IPVM. That is what Hikvision does," Honovich said in a statement. "Hikvision alleges that it did not 'knowingly' or 'intentionally' commit human rights abuses despite having direct contracts to build and operate these systems. Hikvision alleges that its joint PLA China Army research to improve the 'lethality' of missiles was done by its workers in their 'personal capacity.' And when Hikvision specifically marketed "Uyghur" detecting cameras on its own website it alleged its own website was incorrect. IPVM is proud of our efforts to expose unethical actions around the world."

15 years ago, the market was for big companies like Honeywell, Bosch, Axis etc., and that was a time using IP cameras needs to pay license fee for each camera.

Hikvision and other China CCTV camera manufacturer, if I remember correct, firstly started to sell IP cameras without paying license fee.

I think a real integrator will not deny this advances the whole industry into to an open and competitive one.

However, Companies always try to integrate as much service as they can no matter 15 years ago or now. From a technical perspective, Hikvision systems is implementing cyber security measures that there are heaps of company doesn't integrate that part yet; Hikvision system is relatively open compared to some other companies trying to set challenges to technicians for a easy task like adding cameras into their system, and this sometimes means you need to take a course to do that.

To be honest, what happens if Windows is no longer exist? Hikvision spends decades to built a system and keep the eco advancing like Axis/Avigilon do. Hikvision needs to pay what was done wrongly, but the way IPVM putting this is not neutral anymore IMO.

Let justice system do its job and if it doesn't, the system is the one should be blamed.

SSI covered this: Hikvision Submits Membership Resignation Letter to SIA

The China-based video surveillance manufacturer alleges years-long harassment from IPVM for its decision to resign from the association.

Cybersecurity site The Record covered this: Dahua, Hikvision out of security camera industry group - The Record by Recorded Future

Both Dahua and Hickvision, two of China’s largest security camera makers, are no longer members of the Security Industry Association (SIA), the largest trade organization for surveillance vendors in what appears to be the fallout from the two state-owned companies collaborating with Chinese officials in their oppression of the Uyghur minority.

If they would only just take their toys and go home……

E.O.L...