Hikvision Deletes Genetec Support

Author: John Honovich, Published on Feb 20, 2018

There will be no peace between Hikvision and Genetec.

A year after Genetec expelled Hikvision (and Huawei, citing Chinese government control concerns), relegating them to a restricted category, requiring a liability waiver and a special license fee, Hikvision has responded by deleting Genetec's protocol support. This was in line with Hikvision's attacks on Genetec as 'dirty' and 'running fast in the wrong direction.'

An immediate consequence is that Genetec users with Hikvision cameras now need to choose between (1) upgrading and losing integration with Genetec (since the upgrade deletes the protocol) or (2) not upgrading anymore and risk Hikvision vulnerabilities.

More broadly, this shows Hikvision is looking to put pressure on Genetec.

Inside this note, we examine the move, its potential impact, and options for users of these products.

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Comments (77)

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IPVM | In reply to Moe Alam | 02/22/18 10:34am

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IPVM | In reply to Moe Alam | 02/22/18 04:12pm

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In reply to Moe Alam | 02/22/18 07:07pm

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In reply to John Bazyk | 02/24/18 01:16am

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1

02/20/18 03:16pm

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In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #1 | 02/20/18 03:30pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #1 | 02/20/18 04:19pm

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 02/20/18 04:30pm

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In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #1 | 02/20/18 06:34pm

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In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #1 | 02/21/18 06:46pm

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In reply to Moe Alam | 02/21/18 07:39pm

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Jonathan de Chateau | 02/21/18 10:09pm

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In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 11:06pm

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IPVM | In reply to Jonathan de Chateau | 02/21/18 11:54pm

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Nelly Security | 02/20/18 03:43pm

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/20/18 03:48pm

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to John Honovich | 02/20/18 04:22pm

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Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/20/18 04:34pm

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Michael Miller | 02/20/18 04:41pm

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic | In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/20/18 07:26pm

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to Ari Erenthal | 02/20/18 07:27pm

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Matthew Netardus

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/20/18 07:33pm

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to Matthew Netardus | 02/20/18 07:35pm

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/20/18 07:48pm

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to Ethan Ace | 02/20/18 07:53pm

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/20/18 09:19pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #6

In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/20/18 09:59pm

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #6 | 02/20/18 10:02pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #6

In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/21/18 04:12am

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Matthew Netardus

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/26/18 06:11pm

***, *** ******** *** ******* **** **** * ****, *** it **** **** ****** **** * **** ****** ******* *** an ***. ** *** *** ******* *** *** ******* *** least ********* ***** ** ******* **** * **** **** ***** a **** *** **** *** ** *** *** ** **- that ***'* **** ******* ** ***** ***. ******* ** ***** for *** ******* ***, **********, **** ********, *** ******* **** need ****** ********** ** ******* ******* (****** **** *** ******* to **** **** *** ******** ***** *** ** * ****** motion ******).

*** ******** *** * ****** ******* ** **** (** ******** to *** ************* *** ******* *********) ***** ********* ******* **** training **** * ****** *** ********* *** *** ******** ****** with **** * *****.

**'* *** ** ***** "*** *** **** *** *** ***" kind ** ******; *** ** *** *** ** *** *** I *** ** **** **** * ******* ****** ** ** minutes **** ** **** ******** ** ** **** *** *** shelf ******** *** ****- ******** *** ** ** **** ***** time, *** ***'* ****

Undisclosed #3

In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/20/18 05:04pm

****, * ** ****** ** ********** **** ***** ****. ** you ***** **** ******* ** ********* **** ** * ***** record/view/retrieve ****** *** *** * ********* *** **?

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/20/18 06:49pm

*** **** *** ** ****** **** **** ** *** *** to **** ** ** **** ********** **** ** ******* ** get **** ***** ****.

****, ** **** ****** *** *** ** ******** *************. ******* or *** * ********** **** ********** *****-******** ****** ******* ******* ******* ******** ** ** ******** ** **********.

*** ******** ** *** ******** ** ** ** ***** ******** users (*** **** *** ***** **** ***'* *****'* *** ***** to * ******** ******** ** *** **** ** * ******** base, ***.).

*** ***** ** ***** *** ***** **** *******, ********* ***** (more **** *** ******* **** *** *****) *** ****** *** is ******* ** *** *** ***** ******* ** ******* *** the ******* ******* ******** **** ***** **** ****-****, **********, ***. do ***.

Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to John Honovich | 02/20/18 09:06pm

* ***'* **** ** *** ****** *** ** * ***-*****. I'm *** ****** ******* ***'* * **** ******** *** **** are ********* * ****** ** *** ********** ******. *'* **** its *****, **** ****** **** ** ** *** ** ******** fits **** ***** ** **** **** ******** ********** *************. ****, luckily *** ****, **** ***** ***** *****, *** **** **** to ** ** **** * ****** ** ******** ******** *** they *** ** *** ***** *** *** **** ** *** year.

*** ** *** **** ** ** ******** *****, *** ***** majority ** ****** *** ***** ** ***** ******* ** ********** and **********, ********* *** *** ** ***** ***** ***** *** way *** **** ***** *** **** **** ****. *** *******, you ****** **** ** ************** ***** **** ***** ***'* *** joint ***** **** **** ***** ** * ********* ****** **** a ******* ******. *******, ***** ** * **** ****** **** for * ******* *** ****** **** ***'* **** ***** ** for * ******** **** ******* ******. *** *** *** **** market ** **** ******* ** ****. **** ** *** *** has *** ***** **** ** **** **** ** ***. **** I ****, ****** *** *** ********* * ******* ******** *** probably ***** ** *** ** ****** * ***** **** ** Axis ******* **** ****** ***** **** *****. *****, *** ****** on ****, *'* **** ****** *** * ****** ********** ** all.

*** ** ****** ** ***** **** *** **** *** **** goes **** ** ** ******* * *** ****** *** **** I **** **** *** ****** ** ******* ** ****, ********* makes ***** **** * *** **** ******* *** *** ******** of *****. ***** ** * **** **** ** *** ****** process *** ** **** **** * **** ***** **** ** the ********* *******. **** ***** *** *) *** ***** ** be **** ** ****** ** *** *** * ******* ****** or *) ****** *** ***** ** **** ** *** *** the ***** ******* ***** *** *** ****** *** "*****" **** the ******* ****** *** **** * *** ****** **** ** just **** ** * **** ******* ***** (***** *****). ** firmly ******** ** *****, **** ** *** * ***** *** if *** ***** ** ******* ** *** *** ** ******* licenses *** *** *** **** *** **** ** *** ** on *** *** **** ** ******* ****** *** * **-** channel *** ***. *** *** ********* ** ** **, ******* you ***** **** ** ******** **** ********** **** ** **,*** just ** ****** *** **** *****. * ***'* ***** *** and *** ******** ** ***** ***** **** *** ** ****.

**** * ****, ** *** * ***-***** *** * ***** they ********* **** ** **** **** ********* ** *** *** enterprise ******. *** * ** ***** ********* ** ****** * move ******* **** *** ******** * ***** ******* *** ** a ****** "*******" ** *** ******* ******* ***** **** ** heading ** ***** ****** *****, ***** *** ********* ***** ******* Hikvision. ********** ******** ** **** * ***** ******** ******* ********. Hik *** *** ***** **** ****.

Undisclosed Integrator #6

In reply to Sean Nelson | 02/21/18 02:29am

* ** ***** ********* ** ****** * **** ******* ****

********* ** ********* **********.

*******

Matthew Netardus

IPVMU Certified | 02/20/18 05:15pm

** ** **** *********** **** *** ********** **** ** *** a ******** **** (*** **** * ******* *** ** ****). Genetec ********* *** ****** ** ******* *** ********* (*** ***** notably ******** *******) ** ** ****** ** ******** *** ******** of ***** ******* *** ****** *** ********* **** * ****** suffered **** *********** ***********. *** ********** **** *** *** * purely ******** ******, ** *** ** ***** *** ********* **** Genetec **** (**** ** *&*, ******* ****, ***) ** ****** systems **** ******** *********. ** *** **** ****, *** ****** off ******* *** ******* ** ***** ** ******* **** **** a "** *** ***'* **** **, **** **** * ***'* like ***!" *********- **** ** ************* ********* ** ******* **** a ****.

** *** ***** ***, **** *** **** *** **** *****- your ******* ***** *** *** **** **** ******** *** ****** or **** ***** **** * ****. *******, ** *** ****** end **** ** ********** *** ********* **** **** ** **** well **** ****. ** * ******* *** ******* ** ********** client ***** **** **** **** ** ***** ******* *** ***, and *** ******* *** ******* ***** ********** ***/**** ** ******* with ************* ****** ***** *** ***** ******* *** **** ******* it **** "** ***'* **** ****" **** * ***** ** hard ******* ** *** **** **** ***** ****** ******* ** the **** ** *** ***-****. **** ***** **** ** ****** emotional **** **** ****** *** *********** **** **** ******** ** the ******* **********

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

02/20/18 05:34pm

*** *** ** ********** **** ******* *** ** ******* ****** of ****, ******* **** ***. *** **** ***** **** **** stop *** ** *** ** ****.

Undisclosed #5

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/20/18 05:46pm

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/20/18 07:09pm

*** *** ** ********** **** ******* *** ** ******* ****** of ****

**. **** ****** ********* **** *** **** *****-**** ***** **** they **** ****. **** ******** ***** ******* ****:

******* ******* **** ********* ** ******** (***** ********** *****'* ****** and ********)
********* ******** **** *** ***** ********* (*** ** ** ************* more ******** ** *** *** *** **** **** **** * years ***, **** ** ****** ** ********).
********* ** ** ****** * '*******' ** *** ****, ****** to ******* ****** *** ******** ** ***** ****** **** **** reaching ********

** ** *****, * ** ***** **** **** ***** *** they *** **** ****** **** ****** ****, *** * ******* even **** **** **** **** ** ******** **** ****** ****** later ** *** *** * ******* **** **** ******** ** be **.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to John Honovich | 02/20/18 07:22pm

**% ** *** ******* ** ********. *******'* **** ********* ***** is *** ***** ** **** *** ** *** ****-****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/20/18 08:11pm

**% ** *** ******* ** ********

******.

*** ***** ** **** *** ** *** ****-****.

****, ** ***'* **** *** ****** ** *********'* ******* *****. Western ***** (**** ***** *** *******'*) *** *********** ****** ******.

*** ** ** **** **** ****** ** ****** ** *********'* Western *****, **** ******** **** ******** **** *** ******* *** of (**'* *** **** *******'* ********** ***** **** **** ** bringing **** **** *** *****) *** **** ******* ******** ******.

*******'* **** ********* *****

**** ******* *** ** ****** * **** ********* ********* (******* a *** **** * *****-********** ******* ********** **********) ** * brave **** ** ****** ***** *** ***** ******* ******* ********'* cybersecurity. * *** ** ******** **** **** *** **** *** marketing, ********** ***** ** ******* **** *** ** ****** ** Genetec's **** *********** ****** *******.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to John Honovich | 02/20/18 08:52pm

**. **** ***** ***** ** * ********* ******** ** ******* cameras ** * ******* ******* *** *** *** *** ** a ******** ***** ******* ******** *** ***** ****** *********** ** the ******. **'* * ********* *****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/21/18 12:10am

**. **** ***** ***** ** * ********* ******** ** ******* cameras ** * ******* ******* *** *** *** *** ** a ******** *****

****'* *** * ********* ******** ** *** ***** ******* ********. That *** ** ****** ** *** *** ******* * ******* kits *** **** ******* **** ** *****-*****, *****-****, ***** ************* systems (***** ******* *********** **), *** ***'* '*******' *******.

* ********* ***** ********** ****** *** ******** ***** ******* ******* should ** **** *** * ***'* ***** *** '********* ********' is ** **** ** *** ********.

Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 08:17am

* ***** **** *** ** *** ********* **** ******* ****** be ******* ** ******** ***** ********, ********** ** ************.

****** **** *** ** *** **** ** ****** *** ********** everyone **** **** ***** ** **** ***** ** ** *** the *****, * ******.

* ******** **** ** ******* ************* ***** **** ***** ***** of ******* ****** *******.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 01:34pm

** **** ** **,*** ******, *** ******** ********** ******** **** has ************ ******** ***** ******* ** * ********* *****. ** say *** ***'* ******* ** ******** ******* ** ***** ** not ** ******** **********.

Matthew Netardus

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/21/18 01:39pm

*** *** ** ***** ** *** ****** ************ ******* ** a ******* ****** ** *** ** *** *********, ** *** commIT ****** ******** ** * ***** **** *** ***** ****** and *** **** ******** ******* ***'* ******** *******. *** **** to ****, *** ** **** ******* ** **** **** **** the ******* ** "**** * **** * ****** ***** ******** but * ******* ** *** ********* ***** *** ******* ********* through *** **** ** *** ******"

Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to Matthew Netardus | 02/21/18 01:44pm

** **** ***** **** *** ******** ** *** *** *** alarm, ** ***** *** **** ********, *** ***.

*** **** **** ***** ***** ****** **** *** **** ***** useless ** ****** ***********.

****, * ******* *** ******* ******** ** ** ****** **** proper ****** ******* *** * **** ******* ** ***** ** detect **** ** ****** ** **********.

Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic | In reply to Jonathan de Chateau | 02/21/18 01:58pm

****, **** ********* ********* ******* **** ******** *******, ***** ** account *** ***** ***** ** ******** ************ ******* *** ****** compromised.

********* ********* ****** ******* **** ********* **** ** ***** **********. Surveillance ****** ****** ***** ******** *** ********* ****** **** ******* server ********, *** ***** ****** *** ******** ** **** ********* and ***********.

Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to Ari Erenthal | 02/21/18 02:04pm

*** ****** *** ** ** **** ***** ** ** *** a ******** ******** ***** ** **** *******, *** **** **** not **** **** ******* **** ******* ** *** **** * day **** *** **** *** **** **** ****, ** **** late.
***** **** *** ********** ****** ****.

**** ********* ************* ** *** * **** **** ** ** opinion, **** ** *** ****** *** ** **** **** ***, system ***** *******.

******* *** ** ** ***** ** ** **** * ********** station ******* ****** *** ********* *** ****** *** **** *** forget.

** **** **** ** *** **** *******, **'* *** ******* to *** * ****** **** * ******** **** *** ****** has * ******* ******** *****.
** *****, ** *** **** ** *** **** ** *** high, ****** ** * ******** (**** **** * ******) ** not *******.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to Matthew Netardus | 02/21/18 01:45pm

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 02/21/18 01:53pm

#*, *** *** ****** ********* ** '********' *******? *** *******, does ***** ******** **** * ********* *** ********** **** *** the ******* **** ** ******** **** ** / '*********'? **** the ****** ******* **** ** **** *** ****** ********, *.*., from *** ********* ****?

** ******* ***** ** **** **'* *********** ********** ** ***** customers ** *** '********'/********* ******** ** *****. *** **** *** complexity ******* ** ***** ** ***** **** ** ******* **** to *** **** ********* *********** *******.

Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 01:59pm

***** *'* ******* ** **** *** #* *******, * **** agree ****.

*** ** ***** **** ** ****** * ***** *******. *** doing ** ******* *** **** ************** *** ****, *** ** should ******* *** ******. *** **** **** *** ****** * camera, *** **-*** *** *******.

**** ****** ****** ******** ********* ** * ****** ******* ****** not ** **********. ** ****, **'* ******** *** **** ********.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Jonathan de Chateau | 02/21/18 02:05pm

********,

*** **** ** ********* ******** ********* ***** *** ***** *** locations. * ******* ** * ***** ***** - **** ** isolate *******. *,*** ******* ****** *,*** ******** - **** ****** and **** ********* ** ******* *******.

*******, **** *** ***** *********, ********* ** ******* ******. ***? The *****. **** ***** ****** ****** / ********** ****** ***** means ******* / ********* **** ** ** ***** **********.

*********'* ***** ******** **** ****** **** ** *** *****. ********** means ********* *** ******** ****** ** **** *******. ***'* ***** AI (**** **'* **** *** **** **) ***** **** ********* will **** **** ******* ** *** ** ****** **** ********** and **** **** *** *****.

** ********* **** ** **** ********* ** *** ** ********* long-term ********. ********* **** ** ***** *****, *** **** *** quarantine ** ***** ********** ***** ** *** ******.

Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 02:10pm

*'** ********* **** ******, *** ** ** ******* **** ****** a *** ****, ********** ***** *** ****.

*** ***-**** ** *********** *** ****** *** *** ****** ** has *** ************ *********. ** ***** ** ***** **** *********** he *** ***** *** ***.

* ***** **** ******** * **** ******* ** *** ****, but **** ********* *** *** **** *** ****. ** *** talking ******** *********, *** * ******* *** ********* ** ******* trip.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 02:15pm

** ********* ** ***** *** ***** ********* ********* ********* ** isolate "** ****" *** *******, *** ** ** ** *** with * ************ **** ******* ***... ** ****** * ********* stunt.

Mick Brown

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 02:00pm

** **** ** ********* **** ***** ********** ** ***** *** welcome

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

In reply to John Honovich | 02/21/18 02:07pm

| *** *** ****** ********* ** '********' *******

*** ******** ******** ***** ******* ** * ******* ******* **** is ******** ** *** *** ******. *** *** ****** ** connected, *** * *** ***, ** *** ********** *******. ** this ************* *** *** ****** **** *****'* **** ******* **** the *******.

Blake Murphy

In reply to John Honovich | 02/20/18 10:43pm

* **** **** ***** **** *** ****** **** *** **** stretching * **** ****. **** ** **** ***** ** **** back.

Undisclosed #5

02/20/18 06:49pm

"Ask ********* *** ******* *******?
******* ******** **** *** ***** *** *********** ******* ** *** Hikvision ******* **** ********** ** **** ** ******* ******* ************ ********* **** ******** *** ******* ********. ** *** *** clear **** ***** ** *** ******* **** **** ******* ** but **** *** ** * ***********."

Fabian Muyawa

LONTECH SYSTEMS | IPVMU Certified | 02/20/18 06:58pm

** ******* ** ******* **** *** **** *** ** ********* who ** ***** ** *** ******* ********* *** ******* ** to ** **** ******** *** ******** *** ********.

***: ******** , ********,************* *** *******.

*******: ********,********, ************* *******.

**** ********.

*** ***** *** ** **** ***** ****.

bashis mcw

02/20/18 08:39pm

*****: **** ** **** **** ***.

******: ******* **** ***** *** *** *** *********** ********.

Undisclosed End User #7

02/21/18 05:00am

***, ******** **** ****** **********.

Charles O'Donnell

02/21/18 05:47am

* **** **** ** *********** ************ ****** *** ** *** US, ****** ********* *** *****. ******* * ***** **** ** for **** *** *****.

**** ** *** ********* (**) *** (** *** ******** *****) is ******* ****** ***** **** **** ** *** *** *** players, *********, *******, *****, ******** *** **** ******* ***** ** relatively *** ** ******; **** ******** *** *** ****** ***** incidentally ** ********* ******** ***** *** **** ********** **** *** server **************, ** **** *** *** *** *** ****** ***** here, *** * ********* ****** **** ******** ******* *** *** fundamentally ***** ******. **** ***** * ******* * ****** (* tenant ** * *** ****) ***** ** ****** *** *** building ********* ***** ******, ***** * **** ** ******** **** Hik ***'*...

** ** *********** *** ********* ***** ******** * ** ********* product ******** *** ** ** ****** ********* * ********** ******* outshines ****** *** * ****** ** *******, ********* ********* ************ vs *********** *********** **** ******* ***** ********' ********** (*** ************** finding);

**** ** ***.. ***** ****** *** *** ***** ** **** to **** **** ** ***** **** ** ***** *** **** face ** **** *** **** ******** **** *** ** ******* others, **** *********** **** **** ******* *** ** ** ****** for **** **** ****** ** ** ***** **** *** ******* in * **** ***** ****** *****.

* ** ****** *** *** ***** *** ******** *** **** never *********** *** ** * ******** *** ***, ******* * present *** ********** ** ** ******* **** **** *** ***** Hik ** **** * **** ** *** **** ******** ** a ********* ****** ** ** ************** **** *** *** ** tender, *** *** **** ******.

*** ******* ***** **** ** *** ***** *** ******** - for ** *** **** ****** ** *** ******. **** ** are ******** **** *** ******** **** ****** *** ***** ***, when *** ********/*********** **** *** ******** *** ******** ***.

** **** ***** * ** ************* ** *** ***** *** when *** ** ****** ** ***** ******** ** ******* **** a ****; *** **** *** **** * *** ** **** in *** ******* ****** *****, *** * ****** **** ** opportunity ** ***** *** **** **** ** *****, ******* * missed * **** *********** *****, **** *** ******* *** ******* in ****.

**** ***** *** *** ***** ****** **** *** "**** ** china" ********* ***** ******* ****** *** ****** ** **** ******... with *** *** ***..

*** ***'* ****** ** ****** *** ****.***** *** * **** ** ******* ***** *******'*******-********************* *** ******* *** *****-******* *** *******, ***** **** *****..

Mick Brown

02/21/18 08:25am

**** * **** *** ***** *** *** ***** **** **

**** *************** ******* ** **

Rodney Thayer

02/21/18 04:10pm

***** ** ** *** ******** ***. "***** ********* **** *****" is **** ****'* ******. **** **** *******> *** ** *** *** *** ******* IEC. *** ** *** *** *** *** ********. ***** **** it's $*/**** **** ** *** ********. **** ******* ** ***'*-*****-**-** as * ******** ******** ** ** ****'*. **** **, *** standards. *** **** *** ****** **% ** *** ***** ***** if ****'* **** ***'** ****. **** **** ******** ** ******* if *** ****, ****** **** ***** ************.

John Honovich

IPVM | 02/21/18 04:15pm

*** ** *** *** *** *** ********.

******, ** ********, ***** ********* ******** **** ***** ** ******** the *********** ********** ** ******** ******** *** ****** (*** **** bigger *********, **** **** ** ** ********). ** ******** ** not, *** **** *** ********* ******** ** ** ****** ****.

** ** *****, * ***** ***** ***** ** * **** thing, **'* **** *** ** ******** **** ****** ************ *** be ******* ** *******.

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