Following on from the Dahua discussion over the past few days - this is so much more clear-cut. This is properly wrong, and they should be held to account for it. The salesman is a Hikvision employee and he even brags about it. Busted.
Hikvision Temperature Screening Outdoors And In Buses
Hikvision is selling temperature screening outdoors and on buses, putting public safety at risk and wasting public money, including 55 buses at a cost of $100,000+ for a California city that a Hikvision salesperson loved. Hikvision management refused to comment. Watch this video to learn more:
Sells 55 for California City Buses
55 buses in Modesto City, California have Hikvision temperature tablets installed as the Hikvision partner bragged about "pimping" those buses:
Indeed, Hikvision California sales manager Chris "The Animal" Haun loved the post of "pimping" California buses with Hikvision's temperature tablets:
Modesto City verified to IPVM that they bought and deployed those Hikvision devices using federal funds. Modesto City was not aware, until we contacted them, that this violates federal (NDAA) law but subsequently told us they "processed to move the expenses to an alternate funding source".
Hikvision Released a Bus Temperature Scanner
Unfortunately for the public, this was no accident as Hikvision released a temperature scanner specifically for buses, the DS-MDH005-B:
Not only has Hikvision been selling this in the US, but they have also been marketing it worldwide including in Laos and Mongolia:
Ironically, Hikvison's own bus screening marketing video, embedded below, emphasizes how 'passengers are waiting in line for a long time', exposing them to hot or cold that will further distort readings:
Hikvision Knows This Is Wrong
It is not just that world experts (the IEC) and the US FDA know this is wrong, Hikvision knows this as well, as they published in their December 2020 "Why expert installation is vital for back-to-business video".
In it, Hikvision is explicit against semi-open locations such as doorways on buses:
Further, warning against using devices in changeable conditions such as a school bus:
California Bus Deployment Shows Danger
The California city released a video on Instagram (embedded below) showing the danger, including students waiting for five minutes outside and then being screened with the door open and glare:
Modesto City told us "the video was created with a 'prototype.' The scanners are now angled away from the windshield", sharing the image below which still shows the fundamental problems of screening people with an open doorway and surrounded by windows / sunlight:
California City Stands by Hikvision Deployment
IPVM explained to the city the risks to public safety including how this violated FDA temperature screening guidelines and Hikvision's own "expert installation" instructions. Modesto City responded:
Modesto City Schools is adhering to state and county public health guidelines and safety protocols. Information regarding the temperature screeners was included our TK-6 Safe Reopening Plan and the MCS COVID-19 Safety and Prevention Plan, which were both approved by our state and county public health departments.
At this point, we feel we’ve sufficiently addressed all your questions and there is no need for further responses.
We reviewed the city's cited plans (see 1 and 2) but neither of them include any specifics about bus temperature screening. Modesto City did not respond to our questions and concerns about violating FDA guidelines.
Outdoor Hikvision Marketing
This is not just buses, more broadly Hikvision is marketing screening outdoors 'before an employee or visitor enters the building':
Moreover, this January 29, 2021, Hikvision USA post also markets this:
Temperature screening is a safe and quick way to pre-screen people to determine if they have a normal temperature before they enter a business or organization. [emphasis added]
Despite reaching out to Hikvision 6 days before we published and contacting Hikvision senior officials Jeffrey He and Karl Erik Traberg, Hikvision did not respond:
During that time, Hikvision did respond to IPVM to officially no comment on a Scandanavian security company dropping Hikvision for its ongoing human rights abuses.
I am impressed with what IPVM and that they put this on their site.
Nothing surprises me about what the Chinese companies and what they are doing in the US or anywhere in the world.
In D.C., I fought against the Chinese cyber hacking key major US facilities for years. Kudos to IPVM.
I thought the gold rush was fading.
I suppose this was all money approved at the peak of camera temperature screening hysteria.
These guys should go sell used cars at seedy corner lots where they belong.
I thought the gold rush was fading.
This was purchased last October. From what we see, temperature screening sales are fading but it's hard to be certain what is still being sold since database listing of such sales is often delayed months.
We found this while investigating California government purchases of Dahua in conjunction with our reporting with the LA Times. Notably, Modesto City bought $250,000 worth of Dahua recorders for buses from the same dealer (also using federal funds, which they post facto moved to another source after we notified Modesto City of the NDAA federal funding ban).
We're still seeing EST camera requests, not at the same tempo as before but they are still out there.
Does that bring them into sec889 compliance? Our lowyers are saying it is not enough to simply pay for the device out of different funds. If the equipment is being "used" in a project that has fed grant money attached then we are in violation of sec 889, according to our lowyers.
In fact, our lawyers are saying if the covered equipment is used ANYWHERE in our environment even unrelated to any grants, we may be out of compliance. We are looking at $1.5M in replacement cost to eliminate all of our covered cameras alone (not including the NVRs).
Has the FCC actually published the rules or are we still working from the general guidance for section 889?
Hauhn has a new social media post:
Imagine if Haun and Hikvision had rules of life that included:
Don't sell people things that violate federal guidelines.
Don't sell things that violate my company's own installation instructions.
I hope this stains Chris Haun's reputation going forward, as well as all the other snake-oil salespeople that put CHILDREN into a false sense of security. It's one thing to be a lights out salesperson, it's another to take advantage of people like a thief.
Another Hikvision temperature screening setup that Haun loves:
It features Hikvision temperature screening of a no blackbody setup with people walking in a doorway and surrounded by windows and glare:
Hikvision's business is built on implementations that not only do they know but actually love violating their own installation instructions and FDA guidelines.
I get it that Hikvision and their salespeople are deplorable. But I can't help but think of the old W.C. Fields quote: "It is morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money" when I read these articles.
I understand that Hikvision, and by default, ALL those who sell Hikvision - or at least their EST lies - are practicing deceit to make a sale. But what recourse do we, the people who pay the taxes to fund these idiocies have when some dolt in government is willing to waste OUR money without doing even a basic Google search?
I'm more upset at the myriad of government agencies that keep getting listed as buyers for this crap than I am at those who are willing to sell it to them.
I can't help but think of the old W.C. Fields quote: "It is morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money" when I read these articles.
For context, W.C. Fields was an early 20th-century comedian with a misanthropic persona, per Wikipedia. It's fair to say, in all seriousness, it is morally wrong to sucker people.
upset at the myriad of government agencies that keep getting listed as buyers for this crap
The agencies don't know and depend on the FDA / federal government. I agree that something needs to be done. Hikvison's bus screening is effectively taunting the FDA to take action.
The agencies don't know and depend on the FDA / federal government. I agree that something needs to be done.
I fear that by the time the FDA catches on or catches up the sales of this equipment will be non-existent. The damage will have been done, Chris Haun will have purchased a new hot tub, and Hikvision will continue to market to new questionable products.
For context, W.C. Fields was an early 20th-century comedian with a misanthropic persona, per Wikipedia.
for further context, here’s Fields expression while making the quote:
It is a fact - the farther the money is from the actual taxpayer, the more waste there is. In my small town, you don't waste money like that because the taxpayers are your neighbors. But when the federal govt collects massive taxes, and gives it back as "grants" it becomes like free money. If they wast it, who cares? If you really want to see waste... look at the UN where the taxpayer is even one more level away.
John, since it was a procurement by a US local gov entity, are the procurement docs available in public domain? Would be interesting to see if Hik managed to put "sold as is" clause in the contract to stay away from liabilities.