Hikvision Addicted To Across The Board Sales

By John Honovich, Published Jun 30, 2016, 02:53pm EDT (Info+)

Savvy or destructive move?

Across the board sales / price cuts from the biggest surveillance manufacturers are quite uncommon but Hikvision is proving that they will do it almost monthly.

In this report, we look at these moves and discuss their tradeoffs.

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Campbell Chang

06/30/16 10:58pm

Well they aren't doing it here in Aus :(

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Campbell Chang | 06/30/16 11:02pm

Campbell, good point. We were talking to someone in Australia who said the same thing. They were actually surprised to hear the US tactics.

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Campbell Chang

In reply to John Honovich | 06/30/16 11:12pm

I have no idea about US pricing but given where Hik place themselves in the market, I question the need to do things like this?

Surely if you're the largest player in the market AND are competitive in price AND reliable, why erode your margins further for what would have to be minimal gains?

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to Campbell Chang | 06/30/16 11:45pm

...why erode your margins further for what would have to be minimal gains?

Dahua.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 07/01/16 01:00am

If its Dahua, why do the sales / price cuts in the US but not AU?

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 07/01/16 06:11am

If its Dahua, why do the sales / price cuts in the US but not AU?

Maybe because Dahua isn't trying to get business at all costs in that market?

Take 25% off these prices (for AUS $) and they're still much higher than US retail.

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Campbell Chang

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 07/01/16 06:41am

Those are retail prices here in Aus though. Trade price is sub 200. Hik prices are similar.

It's not unexpected though since the well known "Australia" tax applies to almost everything.

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to Campbell Chang | 07/01/16 07:03am

Agreed, Retail.

Point being that Dahua is not pulling out all the stops in AUS, like in the US.

Therefore HIK has no reason to react.

For instance the US retail on the 3MP 4300C is ~$80 USD where in AUS just the 2MP 4200C is > $200 USD.

Sorry, I only have retail prices to go on.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 07/01/16 07:16am

1, I do not think you can compare any AUS pricing to USD. As Campbell notes:

the well known "Australia" tax applies to almost everything.

All surveillance products seem to be much more expensive in Australia compared to the USA.

I am not sure of the cause but this makes price comparisons difficult for pretty much any product.

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 07/01/16 03:47pm

It's very simple.

Campbell's points are

  1. Hik is not aggressively cutting prices in Aus like in the US.
  2. Hik prices and Dahua prices are similar in Aus.

Campbell's question is why is Hik cutting prices so much in the US.

My answer is because of the pressure from their smaller rival, Dahua.

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If it's Dahua, why do the price cuts in the US but not Aus?

My answer is because Dahua is not pressuring Hik in the Aus market, unlike the US, as Campbell indicates.

Where's the difficulty?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 07/01/16 06:40pm

Dahua is not pressuring Hik in the Aus market, unlike the US

I do not see the facts supporting.

Let's start with the US market. Dahua had a horrible 2015 in the US. I don't think anyone could dispute that. Despite that Hikvision ended 2015 with 15% off across the board. That does not make sense.

This spring, Dahua actually increased prices in the US. But Hikvision has since done at least 3 across the board sales. That also does not make sense.

I am not an expert in the Australian market (nor are you) but, from what I know, Dahua is better organized there than in the US.

That noted, again I am not certain why Hikvision is doing what it is doing in the US, but I don't think it's because they are scared of Dahua USA.

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 07/01/16 07:25pm

Let's start with the US market.

To be clear, my original "Dahua" comment was only about the US. AUS was introduced as a counter-argument to mine.

This spring, Dahua actually increased prices in the US.

Ok. I wasn't aware. Was that at the wholesale level, or retail or?

In any event, they *were* lower priced, do we think they are now higher?

But Hikvision has since done at least 3 across the board sales.

Predicted bloodletting. As you know, bloodletting means intentionally spilling your own blood.

That also does not make sense,

Undercutting your competition price, even substantially is a common tactic, and in the absense of a competing theory, remains the most plausible.

IMHO.

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 07/01/16 08:12pm

This spring, Dahua actually increased prices in the US.

Now that ADI carries both Dahua and Hik, perhaps there is a recent mailer showing both? That would be interesting...

Anyone?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 07/01/16 08:36pm

From the July ADI catalog:

And the 2 week special:

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 07/01/16 09:49pm

Hey, I just wanted to compare Hik and Dahua, and you go and include all these other brands like Flir, Honeywell, W-Box and Digital Watchdog... ;)

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Steve Beck

07/01/16 12:42am

Another thing to point out. Sometimes the monthly sale price of a particular model is cheaper than if the product is not part of the monthly but you purchase with the 10% discount at a different time. Now things get really cool when get to double dip. 10% off plus the sale price.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Steve Beck | 07/01/16 01:00am

Extreme couponing - Hikvision edition.

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07/01/16 01:52am

With this discounting it could in fact be driven by the distributor rather than the manufacturer.

Companies like ADI might be using the Hikvision Promo to get people in the door and then upsell or cross sell them other product lines. It could also be to clear inventory or boost end of month sales.

It would be interesting to know who is taking the cost of this promo. Does Hik give ADI a 10% discount which is passed through or is the 10% taken off the ADI margins?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 07/01/16 07:11am

With this discounting it could in fact be driven by the distributor rather than the manufacturer.

It could be but since both Tri-Ed and ADI are running it simultaneously over and over again I doubt it's distributor driven. Plus, why would Tri-Ed and ADI cut out most of their margin to help Hikvision and not Axis, FLIR, DW, Samsung, etc., etc.?

And ADI does not do favors to any vendor unless they are getting paid for it. My gut feel is the opposite, Hikvision needs to pay Tri-Ed and ADI to run those fliers in addition to doing the discount.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3

07/01/16 06:01am

yes, that they will hurt margin by many across the board price cut. however, they have a goal of revenue target to meet, if they don't meet, then they may get a huge inventory and that's even a big problem. They don't have to make a profit in short term, they may quickly get a bigger market share and they may also get free advertisement by the attacks from all of their opponents, and critiques from IPVM.

This may be not a good choice, but if they keep revenue growth, they may get government compensation and tax return , because they keep the employment and help suppliers to clear inventory. This is better than doing nothing.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #3 | 07/01/16 07:14am

get free advertisement by the attacks from all of their opponents, and critiques from IPVM.

I am going to tell that Hikvision next time they object to our coverage ;)

They do not seem to be as happy for the 'free advertisements' such as Hikvision and the China Communist Party, Hikvision Exec Simultaneously Chinese Government Security Leader, Ezviz = Hikvision = Chinese Government, etc.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security
07/01/16 01:37pm

I agree, no need to go with the aggressive price cuts. The prices are already good and the products are high quality. Running a sale every now and then is good but not all the time. If they need to move products at the end of the qtr, they should instead do sale based incentives for folks who buy volume, buy x amount and get x discount. But what do I know. Hik seems to know what they are doing, they are on fire right now.

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC
07/01/16 01:37pm

I learned the hard way recently not to budget your jobs based on any sales prices. We recently had a project that we quoted and didn't realize the prices quoted to us included a limited time sale price. By the time the client decided and provided the down payment, the sale ended and prices were much higher. We were able to get a medium sized discount in good faith and a promise to make up the difference in the next larger order.

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John Honovich

IPVM | 07/13/16 10:15pm

10% Hikvision across the board price cuts at dealer events are also common, example:

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John Honovich

IPVM | 07/23/16 01:29pm

And here is another one, less than 4 weeks later, now up to 20% across the board:

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 07/23/16 02:54pm

The whole pallet costs < $4000.

(6x4x3 @ $69) = $4968 save 20% = $3975

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John Honovich

IPVM | 01/27/17 03:55pm

These Hikvision sales continue to happen into 2017 though with less publicity / flair than previously.

Today, is 15% across the board Hikvision at ADI:

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