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Comments (53)
John Honovich
If anyone knows of any other companies pursuing anything like this, please let know, confidentially email me at john@ipvm.com
Also, would be curious to hear how other companies are handling this. Please share in the comments or email me.
As for us, a week ago, I emailed our employees that had been planning to go to ISC West recommending we/they do not go to ISC West. I was not thinking about liability but the general risk that IPVM could play a role in infecting them or their families. One IPVM employee currently wants / plans to go to ISC West (the other 4 who had been planning, including myself, are not going).
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
They did the same a few years ago (at the annual partner summit) when Zika was the big deal.
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Undisclosed Integrator #3
I have not encountered any Hanwha stock shortages yet. Anyone else? Is their manufacturing full go?
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
The 33% who voted “the employee who caught it” must be high ranking sales executives that know they have a lot of money at stake here. I can’t understand how the employee who caught it would be liable. The fact that 1/3 of respondents feel the employee is responsible should be ashamed of themselves for allowing greed to cloud their judgment. Guarantee if the voters were not anonymous the poll would be a lot more like 90% to 10% or even less would say employee is responsible.
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Chris Chambers
Where's the poll for:
1. It will be cancelled one way or another.
2. It will go on with a huge attendance drop.
3. It will go on with only a modest drop in attendance.
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Undisclosed #5
more choices:
1) the person who caught it
2) the person's employer who sent them there
3) the person who begged his employer to go
4) c'est la vie
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
While you're mulling over whether or not to go to ISC-West, are you also contemplating canceling the following for the next month? :
Letting your kids attend public school, going to a concert or sporting event, visiting a restaurant, going grocery shopping, using public transportation, seeing a movie or show in a theater, going to church, going into any work environment that has more than just a few people, or flying ANYWHERE for work.
If you're not considering cancelling all of the above, then the additional risk you assume by going to ISC-West is a rounding error.
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John Honovich
Helpful OSHA resource shared by Scott Fischer in another thread:
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Undisclosed Integrator #10
Go to the show and use common sense
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David Pilchick
03/03/20 02:06pm
I still plan on attending ISC West
We have about 10 people coming
None of them are being forced to go
As a matter of fact
If they don't want to come, thats fine by me
I also did not stock up on water pasta and canned goods
I don’t believe in all the drama
I agree with the previous commentators
There are so many other interactions to cancel
I am on my way to the Javitz for a show now
My wife went to a Celine Dion concert Saturday night
I think this is all being blown out of proportion
Hopefully I am right 😊
If I am wrong, John will you adopt my kids 🙃
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Undisclosed Integrator #11
How would catching ANY sort of cold or virus or whatever be any different than if you caught something at home, at the office, on vacation, from your kids school, at jury duty, while visiting a client, or at ISC west?
I don't understand how this possibly could be any employers responsibility.
The show is not cancelled, there is no travel restriction or advisory within the US and the overall risk is apparently very low in the US. Until that situation officially changes, what are employers, ISC attendees and the general public supposed to do other than carry on with life as usual?
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George Ishee
03/03/20 02:21pm
CAST Lighting is coming and looking forward to it. We are introducing a new low voltage LED POE solution and want to show it off.
Wearing a N95 mask on the plane and not shaking hands is prudent but life goes on. Experts are now coming out and saying the flu is much more worse.
See you there!
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George Ishee
03/03/20 03:30pm
As an FYI
POINTS
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #13
If I am asked to sign a waiver, the answer is "no" and "where do I send my letter of resignation?"
Feb 24th was a turning point where the number of new cases reported globally (outside of China) exceeded reported cases in China and that trend has continued to grow. With South Korea, Japan, Italy, Singapore and Iran reporting a significant upward trend in cases reported over the past several weeks it doesn't appear the transmission of the virus has been contained. Even with the restrictions that have been established in those and other countries the number of new cases is still trending upward.
The following report gives an excellent snapshot of the implications for business.
Coronavirus' business impact: Evolving perspective | McKinsey
We are in the risk management/avoidance/protection business right? Protect your people, protect your business and mitigate risk factors. Maybe it isn't time to over-react just yet, but if the number of new cases reported doesn't slow or reverse trend I think ISC West could be a ghost town. Given the global nature of our industry it is a big risk to take.
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Undisclosed Integrator #14
Wear gloves and mask.
As an additional benefit it will keep you from being scanned on fingerprint readers, and from facial recognition.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #15
If you were doing business in a country where a lawsuit could wipe you out...
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #16
Can we all just agree to a no handshake policy this year? I understand it won’t completely prevent things, but I think we’d all like it better anyway.
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John Honovich
Industry attorney Ken Kirschenbaum has weighed in on this, saying the worker cannot sue their employer:
He compared coronavirus to the cold or flu:
However, he did that if attendance was mandatory, it might impact the decision:
Also, Kirschenbaum is not afraid of the cold flu coronavirus as he was still planning to go, until ISC West cancelled / postponed.
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