Hanwha Announces 32MP Camera + AI Line

By Ethan Ace and John Honovich, Published Sep 10, 2019, 08:54am EDT

In the first rise in maximum megapixel resolution in 5 years, Hanwha has announced a 32MP / 8K camera directly competing with Avigilon's H4 30MP / 7K camera.

Hanwha has also announced AI-powered additions to the P Series, claiming person, vehicle, and face detection.

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In this note, we look at these new releases, how they compare to competitors, and how they impact Hanwha's outlook for 2020.

UPDATE: See test results of both product lines:

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That camera looks huge! Bigger then Axis or Sony. Will be interesting to see what housings it fits in. Also did they mention if it will have AI on board?

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It's shown with a 28mm fixed lens in lieu of the large F2.8 varifocal lens you are probably used to seeing. That lens is much smaller.

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It's big...

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You just proved my point by showing a Sony with a large zoom lens next to the 28mm fixed lens.

*not zoom but large

2.9 x 2.2" / 73.6 x 55.6 mm

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3-1/8 x 4-1/2" (78.5 x 112.0 mm)

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The Sony E-mount lenses are smaller than the Canon EF mount. Also, I have the Sony, Axis and Avigilon PRO cameras so I have a very good understanding of the size of the cameras and lenses.

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I have a good understanding of units and dimensions.

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I am talking about the size of the camera NOT the lenses.

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I have always heard it is not the size of the camera that matters it is how you use it.

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...and this has built in SFP module, so that will save me additional enclosures on stadium applications.

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We just use media converters and fit them in the camera housing. No need for an extra enclosure.

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Heat buildup can be a problem in that scenario. Also, I hope the Hanwha handles pyrotechnic displays in the stadiums a bit better, by not just locking up for a few minutes.

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Never had an issue locking up cameras or media converters.

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I voted very, because I am very interested in the cameras and technology. However, I have zero interest in paying so much for them. So until they go to about 1/15th of the price I will be ignoring them.

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Does Avigilon run any of their analytics on their 6k and 7k cameras?

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Not on camera but you can with the AI appliance. Also, Avigilon PRO cameras are still the H4 line so I would assume when the H5 PROs come they would have analytics on the full line.

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I have seen Avigilon lock a few projects in the ME region early on by persuading the project consultant to specify at least one 30 MP camera in the RFP (even if it is not necessarily needed).

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The big issue with these cameras, guys, is to manage them. HDSM is the real key factor of H4 Pro line. Try to connet 80 of the hanwha cameras to in a Milestone to manage them. I think, the new Hanwha don’t play the same game.

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HDSM is the real key factor of H4 Pro line. Try to connet 80 of the hanwha cameras to in a Milestone to manage them.

besides cutting down on bandwidth when someone is viewing a cropped image live, what does HDSM do better?

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HDSM is much more than this (Maybe your talking about HDMS 1.0). How it works HDSM 2.0 is largo to explain in a response but is not about showing different streams...

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How it works HDSM 2.0 is largo to explain....

yes, true. certainly harder than casually disparaging hanwha/milestone and refusing to substantiate.

Jordi, if you can explain HDSM 2.0, you are invited to do so here, Does Anybody Know Another VMS Which Has The Same/Similar Streaming Technology As Avigilon HDSM2?

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Hanwha’s TNB-9000 is a box camera capable of 8K resolution (7680 × 4320, ~33.2 megapixel)

why the round down to 32 from 33?

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The press release linked in the beginning of the article states it is a 32 MP camera a couple of times.

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The press release linked in the beginning of the article states it is a 32 MP camera a couple of times.

it sure does. it also states it is a 8K camera. 8K resolution is defined as being 7680 × 4320 or ~33.2 megapixel.

32MP or 8K.

Pick one.

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Actually, it is a 64 Megapixel sensor. It crops out a 32 megapixel or 8k image from it. You can then do a "lens shift" or virtual camera cropping. This allows for adjusting the FoV without having to manually adjust the camera.

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Actually, it is a 64 Megapixel sensor.

cool. do you know what the pixel count/aspect ratio is for the entire sensor? who makes it?

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Hanwha response:

The maximum supported resolution of the TNB-9000 is 8K (7680H x 4320V)

If megapixel is defined as 1,000,000, then resolution becomes 33.2MP (33,177,600/1,000,000).

If megapixel is defined as 1,048,576 (220), then resolution becomes 31.6MP (33,177,600/1,048,576).

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thanks for asking.

If megapixel is defined as 1,048,576 (220), then resolution becomes 31.6MP (33,177,600/1,048,576).

btw, I am not aware of a single imaging company that defines megapixel as 2^20. does anyone else know of one?

i mean 1080p is 2.1MP, right?

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Computers speak base 2 man.

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Computers speak base 2 man.

true.

the camera has 1111110100100000000000000 pixels.

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JH,

maybe it's a good idea to take the IPVM course:)

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Cool, the analytics can detect if a bag wears glasses or not! :-)

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Is this real yet? It's on their website but I don't see it listed in distribution anywhere.

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It's on the latest price list.

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Hello Roger,

I've contacted Hanwha for a comment on availability, and I will update once I get a response. I'd also like to let you know that Hanwha will be presenting this next week during our online shows, so check that out when if you can. They are slated to be on April 14th, 1 pm EST.

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Great, thank you!

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The 8K TNB-9000 camera was released in the April pricelist. Distribution may take time to get it loaded into their systems.

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On the pricelist is that for the camera only? Are the housing and a lens include? Also what housing works with the 8K camera?

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Camera body only. Next month will be the housing, lens, and kits with camera and lens and housing and other mount accessories.

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