Hanwha and Hikvision Selling H.265 Without HEVC Licensing

By Zach Segal, Published Aug 19, 2020, 10:15am EDT

Update November 2020: Hanwha has now licensed H.265 from HEVC Advance.

IPVM has confirmed that Hikvision does not have H.265 licenses from HEVC Advance, despite selling H.265 products for 4 years. Hanwha was unlicensed until November 2020, but is now licensed.

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Inside this note, we share feedback from HEVC Advance, Hanwha, and Hikvision plus examine the issues involved including annual license payments of tens of millions of dollars.

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** ****** ****, ****** told **** **** **** working ** ********* *** technology *** ** ******** 2020 **** ********* **** Advance ********.

License *********

*.*** **** ****** ***** ***** with **** *********** ****** holders; ******** ******* ********** *** most *******. ************, ***** ********, ********.***** ** ** ****** to ******* **** ********** patent *******, *** *** main ***** **** *** broadly ******** *** ****** and **** *******.

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********* ***** *** **** of ******** ** ********* per ****, ** **** years ***,********* **** **** ******* 50+ ******* ******* *********** *** ********* *** Hikvision ******* *** *.***. Even ** *** ***** China ******* ***** (**$~*.** * ******), ** 50+ *******, **** ** $20+ ******* ********.

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**** **** **** ***** their ****** ******* ******* adoption ** ***** ************ and ****** **** ********** licensors **** ******* ***** rights **** *********:

*** ******* *** **** widely ******** ** *** video ************ ******, **** ~45 ***** ************ ********* - ********* ******* **** as ********, ****, *****, Dahua, ****, *********, ******* and **** **** - becoming ********* ** *** HEVC ******* ****. ** will ******** *** ******* until ***** **** *********** becomes ******** ****** *** our **** ******* ** bilaterally **** *** ** our *********.

*** ******* ** *** video ************ ******** (*** other ***** ******* ********** such ** **, ******, set *** *****) ** in ***** **** *** to *** ******* ** consolidating *** **** ********* market. ** *** *** the ******* ***** ***** patent **** ************ ***** 2/3 ** *** *.*** standard ********* *******. ** made * ***** ******* in ***** ********* *** progress, *** *** ********* of ******* (*** ** other *********) **** ****-**’* HEVC ****, ***** *** has ***** *,*** ******* compared ** ***** **,*** patents ** *** **** Advance ****.*** *** **** *** press *******. ** **** ***** release, *** **** **** find * ******* ***** is * **** **** visual ************ ** *** current **** ********* ****** landscape.

***** ** *** *** able ** ******* ** any ******** ******* ******, as * **** *****, we **** ******** *** efforts ***** **** ****** implementer ** ************* ********. I ***** **** **** that *** ********* **** enforce ***** ****** **** necessary. ** ****, ** just **** * ***** release **** ***** ***** this,*** *** ***** *** the ***** ******* ****.

Hanwha ********

****** **** **** **** they *** *********** **** HEVC ******* ** ****** the ********* *********:

****** ******* ** * willing ******** ** ******** Essential ******* (****) *** H.265. ** ****, ****** Techwin ******* **** * SEP ******* ********* **** MPEG **, ***** ** the ******* ****** **** with *** ******* ****** of *********/****** ****** (**) and ***** **,*** **** in *** *********. ****** 70% ** **** ******* owned **** *** ******* licensed ** ****** ******* through *** *** ******* agreement **** **** ** because **** ********* *** SEPs *** ********** ******* MPEG ** *** **** Advance. ************, ** *** diligently *********** **** **** Advance ** * **** faith ** ******** *** licensing *****.

******: ***, ** ******** 2020,****** *** ***** ** the **** ******* ******** list.

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Hikvision ********

********* ******** ** ******* to **** ** ****.

Lawsuits ****

******** *** ****, ***********, and ****** ******'* ****** end-users.** **** *******, ********** patent ******* **** ** sue ** ***** ***. **** ********* *** value ** * ******* for * ****** ****** and ********* *** **** of ********* * ******. Also, *** ********** ***** under*****(****, ********** *** ***-**************) rules, ******* * ******** can ***** *** ******* fee ** *** ****, and *** ***** **** as **** ** ***** the ****** ****** ** globally ***** ****.*******, ***** **** **** some ***** ********.**** ******* ****** ******* are ********* ***** ****** over ****** ************.*** ** ****,****** *** *** ****** and ******* **** ****** in ********** *.*** ****** **********. It ** ******** **** any ******* ***** ****** end-users.

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****, **** ******!

*** ** **** **** on *** **** *** Hanwha *** ********* ******* ******* ** ******** by********* *********:

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**** ****** *** ********* are ***, *** ****** than ***** *.

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******** ***** ** **** their *****-*****.

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* **** ** ***** I'm * ****** ******** by *** ******** ****** of **** *******:

** ***** *** ******** license *****, *** ****** is ******* '*********' ******** under *** ** ****, and ** ******** *********** with *******... **** ******* is *** ***********?

*** ******** ***** *** impression ** **** **** of *********** ** ********* behavior ******* ****** *** Hik... *** *** **** of *** ******* ***** to ********** ****, *** does *** ** *** explain *** * ******* licensed ***** ******* **** A ***** **** **** to ** ******** ***** license **** * ** be '********.'

*** ** ********* ***** HEVC ******* **** ******** if ******* ******** ***** MPEG **?

** ***** **** **** a ****** ****************, ** me, ** ****** *** two ** "**********."

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**** ******* ** *** controversy?

**'* **** *****, *********. For *******, ** ******* this ***** ** ****:************* ******** ********** *.*** Products*** ** *** *** call *** *** ******** manufacturers ** *** ******** since ** *** ********** early **** ****. ***, it's ***.

*** ******** ***** *** impression ** **** **** of *********** ** ********* behavior ******* ****** *** Hik...

** * ****** ** fact, **** *** **********. As * ****** ** ethics, **** ****** ** negotiating ***** ** ****** than ********* *** **** nothing. *** ******* *** that ** *** *** want ** ****** ****** in ***** ** ******. We **** **** ******* multiple ******* ** ******* and ****** ***** ****** with **** **** * week. **** *** *** surprised ** ****.

*** ** ********* ***** HEVC ******* **** ******** if ******* ******** ***** MPEG **?

*****'* * *** ** patents ********** *.*** *** MPEG ** **** ***** part ** ****. ****** acknowledges **** ** ***** response ** **.

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****, **** ******* ********* you ** *** ***** or ********* ***** **** this, **** *** ** your **********. **'* ** cool ** **** **** authoritative ********. ***** ** wrong, *** ****** ****** or *** ***** **** point ** **** **** the *****. *** **, that's *** **'* *** to ****.

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*** ** ********* ***** HEVC ******* **** ******** if ******* ******** ***** MPEG **?

***** *** ***** **** some *********** *******, ***** are ******* **** *** part ** *** **** Advance **** **** *** not **** ** *** MPEG ** ****.

**** ******* **** **** that:

****-**’* **** ****, ***** now *** ***** *,*** patents ******** ** ***** 11,000 ******* ** *** HEVC ******* ****

** *******, ***** *** at ***** *,*** ******* in *** **** ******* pool **** *** *** in****-**’* ****.

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*** ******** ***** *** impression ** **** **** of *********** ** ********* behavior ******* ****** *** Hik... *** *** **** of *** ******* ***** to ********** ****

***** ** ******* ****** is "***** *** ***** thing", **** ********* **** been ********* ******* *** 4+ *****. ****, ***** Patents **** ********************, ******* **** *** licensing **** **** ** be ********** *** ***-************** priced. ** *** **** were *** **** *** Hikvision's ** ******'* ******** models, *** **** ***** be ******* *** ****** company (** ******* ********) could ********* *** **** in *****. ***,* ****** ***** ***** in ***** ** ******* HEVC ******* ****** *******, stating **** *** *** FRAND *********.

* **** **** ***** clarify ******.

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[****: ****** ** * representative ** ****** *******]

***** ** ***, *** you **** **** * representative ** **** *******.

*** ****** *****'* ****** might **** **** **** based ** ******** ***** applied ** **** **** specific *********'* ******** *** industry. ***** ******** **** not **** *** **** standard *** *** ******* regard ** **** *** specific ************* ** ********* licensees.

**** **** ** *********** takes **** ~~~.

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** ***** *** ** least *,*** ******* ** the **** ******* **** that *** *** ** MPEG-LA’s ****.

** ** *** *******. In *** **** *******'* pool, ***** *** ****** 7,000 *********** ******* **** were **** ** *** in ****-**'* ****.

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**** ** ***** ** what**** ******* **** ****:

****-**’* **** ****, ***** now *** ***** *,*** patents ******** ** ***** 11,000 ******* ** *** HEVC ******* ****

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*** ***** *** **** Hanwha ***** ****. **** are ** ********* **** for *** **** **** their ********, *******, ***********, accessories, *********. ** ***** it ** **** ***** marketing ********** ******** *** waters ** **** **** no ********* ** *** the ***** ********* *.*** fees. ;)

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**** *** *** *********/********* for? **** *** *** good **** *** ****? Or **** ** ** a ***** ********?

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***** ********* ** ****** HiSilicon ** ***** ** put *** ***** *********** onto ***** ********, *** hush ** ****** ** pay *** ******* *** in ******!! *** ***** how **** *****.

*** **** *** ***** those ******* ** **** article*** ****** ** *.*** For ***** ************ ********

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**** ***** ******* *** disrupted *.*** ********* *****!

****** *** ********* ******* H.265 ******* **** *********

***, **** ***** ** incorrect^^. ** ** ** correct, ***** ** **** say **** ****?

"Every *** *** Video Surveillance Manufacturers Selling H.265 Without **** *********"

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******* ****** *** ***** surveillance ************* ********* *.*** ******** ****Velos ***** which claims to have around 5,000 patents.

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****'* * **** *****. We *****'* ******* ** Velos ***** ******* ** is **** ***** **** the ***** *****, *** we *** **** **** it ** *** ******.

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********, **** ********, ****, Bosch, *****, *******, *** Milestone, ***. *** *** MPEGLA ********? ** ***, the **** ******** *** graphic ***** ***** *** these ****** ******* ******* an ****** *******. *** it ******* **** **** have **** ********, *** that ** *** **** thing *** ******* ** doing. ******* **** **** are ******* ***** **** only ******** **** * pool ******* ** *** other....

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********, ****, *** ************ **** **,** **** **** **** MPEG ** *** **** Advance. *****, *******, *** Milestone ** ***, ******** Canon ****. ** **** focused ** *** ***** camera ************* **** *** most ******** ****.

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** *** ***** *****, Avigilon **** *** *.*** licenses **** ***** ***** in ******** ** ****-** & ****. *** ***** organizations **** ********* ****** holdings ** **** *****, hence ** ******* ********** with **** **** ** launched *** ***** *.*** capable ******.

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#* ** * ****** employee, ** **** ******* to *** *********. ******, of ******, ** **** to ******* *** ******* should ********** ***** ****** is ****** ****.

** ****** *** **** issues **** *** ********, they *** ******* ** talk ** ** ******** (we ***** ****** **********).

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*** ** *****, *** disagree ** **** * Hanwha ********.

* ******* ****** **** being ** ********* ** this *** ******** ** far ** **** ****** is ******* ** *** to ***** ********. ** are * ***** ***********, and ********** * ** in * ******* **** with **** ***** ************* as *******.

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******** ** **********. ** clarify, * ***'* ******* claims ******* ** ** Undisclosed #*.

*******, ******* ** "***********" functionality ** ******** ** part ** *** ********* design. ********** *** ** using **, ** *** provide **** *************, ***** shouldn't ** ****** ** disclosing *** ******. **** erodes ***** *** ***** negatively ****** *** ****** of ***** **** ********* sides.

***** *** ******** ******* great ***** *** * wouldn't **** **** **** to ***** *******.

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*** ***** ** *** road *** ****, ** you *** * ************ and ******* ** ***** of **** ******* *** should ******** ****.

*** ***’* **** ** say *** *** ***, but *** ****** ******* if *** **** * vested ******** ** **** comment.

**** ****’* ******** *** actual “************” *** ** did *** *** ******* on ******* ** *** OP ****** ****.

***** *** **** ******** of ****** ***** **** correctly *** ***********.

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* ****'* ****** **** to ********/****** ** ******** on *** ********* **** him, * ***** ** more ** * ****** of ******.

***** *'* **** ****** to *** ****** ** for *** ******** ****** employee **** ** ******* on **** *****, ** cool ***. * *** it, **** ***** ************* are *** ********** "*********," but ***** **** ***** your *** *******.

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** *******; * ***** the ********* * *** not ** ********* ****** in **********, *** ******* I ****'* ********** *** situation, *** * ****** to. **** ***** **** questions *** ******* **** for; ** ****** *********** and **** *************.

*'* * ********** *********** person *** *'** **** working ** **** ******** for **+ *****... *** the ******* ********* *********** of ************* ** ******* concepts ****** *** ********* of *.*** ********* ***** it *** *** ******* & ** ***** * had *** ********** **** exposed.

* **** *** ******* of ****** ******** **********-************* "license *****" **** *********** but ***-************* *****, *** demanding ** ** ****, to ** **** **** a ****** *******. *'* not *** **** ** before, *** ****** ** know ****.

**, *********.

*** ****, *'* * simple **** ** ***; I **** *** **** that * ***** ** software, **** *** ** sophisticated ** * ***** compression *****,***** **** *************** **,***+ ******, ********, and **********-*********** "***********" *** yet ** ******** ** a ****** ******** '*******' (but ********** *** ********** from * ******, ******** entity?) ** **, ***** honestly, ********** ******.

*** ******** **** ********** of * ******** ******* in *** ************ ******** system ****** **** ******** else - - ***** which * **** **** more **** * *** articles, ****** *** ******* the ********.

**, ****** ** *** for *** ************. * know **** *** **** I *** ***** ****** read **** *** *******.

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**** ******** ******* **,***+ unique, ********, *** **********-*********** "discoveries" *** *** ** marketed ** * ****** cohesive '*******' (*** ********** not ********** **** * single, ******** ******?) ** be, ***** ********, ********** insane.

** *** *** **** at *** ****** ** these *******, *** ********** companies ****** *** **** technology ** ********* ********* because * ****** ** usually **** ********* ** the ******* *** *****.****'* ** *********** ***** ***** *** process.

**** ***** ***** **,***+ patents ***** ********* *** fewer ************, ********* ** how *** ***** ****** to ********* *** **** technology **** ********* ******* in ********* *********.

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****** ***** * ******* product *** * ******* price. *** *** ***** shouldn’t **** ** ***** about ******** **** *******.

**, *** **** ****.

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** **** **** ******* to ********* **** ** Poland *** ***** **** about **. **** **** that ** ****** *** trust "********" **** **** industry, **** ***** *** other ********* ********* *.*** licences.IPVM Image

**** ******** **** *****:

********* ** *** **** Patent ********* | **** LA : **** *********** ******** ** *** HEVC ****** ********* ******* | **** ** : MPEG **

** ** ***** **** they **** **** ******* and **** *** *** H.265 ******* ** ***** products.

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*** ********* ****** ***** HVEC ******* *********. **** are ****** ************ *** or ***'* ********** **** / *.*** *********. **** LA **** ****** **** of *** ******* ********** H.265. ****'* *** *********'* rivals ********* ***** **** both **** ** *** HVEC ******* *********.

****** *** ** **** what ******** ****** *** to *** ***** ****.

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**, ** ***** ***** this ** **** ** their ******:"*** ** **** is **** [**** **] licence ******* ** ***'* use *** *** *******, or ***** ******* *** covered ** ********* ************. If *** ***** ********* please ***** *** ***** patents ** *******. *** Apple ** ***** **** licence [**** **] *** no *** ** ******** fingers ** **** *** impute **** **** *** doing ********* *****"

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****** *** ******** **** up. **'** ****** **** HEVC ******* (********* ******* ***) *** they ********* ** ******** all *.*** *** ****** on ** ***** **** of ***** *******:

There ****** ** ** ******** **** ****** ************ *** *.*** ******** *********** ********* *** ******* ** *** ****—now over 12,000. In light of the thorough independent evaluations that are required for these patents to be included in our pool, no reasonable person could claim otherwise. While we do not comment on the status of individual companies, we are diligently working on getting all H.265 implementers licensed. [emphasis added]

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********* ******** - "** ask **** [**** *******] to **** ***** *******, that ** *** ***** in *.*** ******* *** are *** ******* ** MPEGLA, ***** *** ****"

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**, *** *** **** added "**** ******* ***** that **** *** [****] is **** ******* *** another ****** ** **** Hikvision.

** *** **** ******* - **** *** ***** IPVM ** **** **** expensive ********"

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********* *** * ***** dispute ******** ******* (********* *******). ******* **** all *.*** ************ (*.*., including *********) ******* *** license. *********, *** **** shared **********, **** **** is *****. **** ** for ********* ** ******* with ****** *******.

***, ** **** *** a *** *** **** Hikvision ** ********** *** Facebook ********* ****** **** formal ****** *********. ** did *** ********* ********* before ********** *** ******* and **** ********. ** will ******* ********* ******'* messages *** *** **** again.

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******: **** ******* **** IPVM ****** ** *** a ******** *** *** added **** ** ******* ******* ******** ****. ** ********* ******* a ******** ** **** update *** ******* *****.

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