Cisco Falling - Favorite Network Switches 2017

By: IPVM Team, Published on Oct 20, 2017

1 major manufacturer fell and 1 outsider manufacturer gained as integrator favorites for network switches from more than 140 votes / explanations submitted.

These 2017 statistics is the successor to our Favorite Network Switches for Surveillance 2015.

In this note, we break down:

  • The six favorite switch manufacturers
  • What the major changes were over the past two years
  • Why integrators picked what they did with color commentary

* ***** ************ **** and * ******** ************ gained ** ********** ********* for ******* ******** **** more **** *** ***** / ************ *********.

***** **** ********** ** the ********* ** *********** ******* ******** *** Surveillance ****.

** **** ****, ** break ****:

  • *** *** ******** ****** manufacturers
  • **** *** ***** ******* were **** *** **** two *****
  • *** *********** ****** **** they *** **** ***** commentary

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Favorite ****** **********

*********** ***** ********* ***** to ***** ******, *** by * ******* ******, with ******** **** ******* gaining:

******* ** **** *******, with ***** ** **%, and ******** ******* *********** mention:

Key ******

***** *** ***** *** trends ** ***** *** in ***** *******:

  • ***** *******:****** ***** ******* * preferred *****, ***** *** fallen **** **% ***** our **** ******, **** 37% ** **%. **** of **** *** ** accounted *** ** *** increases ** ******** *** D-Link, *** ****** ***** saw *** ******** **********.
  • ******** *** *-**** ******:********'* ***** *** ******* lines **** ******, **** ~10% ** *********** ******** them, ***** *-**** *** jumped ** ~*%. **** received **** * *** votes (*-*%) ** **** polls.
  • ******* *** ** *******:****** *** ***** ******* Netgear *** ** ********** similar ******* ** ******** polls, **** ******* ********** slightly *** ** ********** slightly.

Main ****** *** *** *****: *****

***** ***** *** ***** down *** **** ****** reason *** ******** ******** other **** *****, ****** nearly *** ***** ****** mentioned. ***** **** ******** (remote ******, ********, *** reliability) **** ********* ************ for ******, ***** *** overwhelmingly *** ******** ******.

Cisco: ******* *****, *** ***** #*

***** **** **** **% from *** **** *******, down ** **% **** 37%, ******* ** ***** part *** ** ******* brands ******** *** *-**** gaining. ***********' **** ****** reasons *** ******** ***** remained ******* ** **** surveys: ***********, *******, *** name *********** ** ******** IT ***********.

  • "***** ***** ******** **** because ** *** ******** with *************, ******* ** stock, **** **** ***********, and ******** ** *********** prefer ***** ********. ***** higher ******* **** ** rarely * ******** ** project ****."
  • "*****. ****'** ********, *** terribly *********, *** **** have ********* *** ************. Also, ****'** **** ** get ******** ** *** customers' ** ***********."
  • "***** - **** ***** brand. **** ** *** cisco ** *** ********* IT ***., **** **** that ** *** ********** a **** ******* *******."
  • "*****. **** ****** *** the **** *** **** reliable. *** ***** **** thing ** ** *** can’t ******** * ******* in *** *** ** easily *******."
  • "*****. ***% ********, ******* product *** ***** **** an ***** **** *** units ** ***. ********** else **** *** **** for *********** *** *********."
  • "***** ******* * **** lots ** ********** **** them *** **** ***** lots ** ******** **** an **** ** ********** interface"
  • "***** *** ******. *** cheap *** ********* *** what ** ****. * like *** ** *** a *** ***+ ***** on ****. **** ****** or ******."
  • "***** - ****** ******* set *** ******* ******* line *********. ************ **** quality ******* *** ********* that ** ***********."
  • "***** - ********** *** looks **** ** * quote!"

*** **** ****** ***** switches *** ************ *** the***************, ***** * ******* switches, ********* ** *-** port ******, **** ***.*** options. ***** ******* (* cameras *** *****) *** also *** ****** ****** "*****" ************ **** ********** ********, but **** ******* *** budgets.

Still #* *** #* -******* *** **: ***** *******

******* ***** ** ** second **** ****** **** a ****** ******** ** integrator ********** (*** ****** drop *** **). *********** cited *** ****, **** performance, *** ******** ******** as ***** **** ******* for ***** *******.

  • "******* "*****" ********. *****/*********** is ******** *** *** markets. ** ***'* **** many ****** *** **** offer * ******** ********. Used ** **** ** go ******* ******* ***** process ** *** ***'* but **** ******* ** to ****** *** *** the * ** * times * **** ** need ** *** ** works ****. * *** "like" ***** ******** ****** from * ******* ******* set (** *****, ********) but **** *** ****** worth *** ***** *******."
  • "******* *** ***** ** medium ********. **** ****, few ********, **** ***** for **** ******* *** managed ******** **** *** a ***** *** *** smb. ********* ** *** needed *****."
  • "******* ***** ** **** well *** ** *****."
  • "******* ******* **** *** reasonable *** **** *** had *** ****** **** them."
  • "******* ******** *** **********"
  • "******* ** *****"

*******'* **/** ***** ********* **/** ******* ******** have **** ********** ******* in ************, **** *** management *** ***+ ********.

** **** **** ****** to ***** ******* ** our ****** ******, ****** ~4%. ** ** **** surveys, ***** ******** ** cited ******** ******** ** lower ***** **** *****.

  • "**, ***** ****. ******** has *** ** *** features *'** **** ****** on ***** *** ********** systems *****, ***** ******** carry * ******** ******** (even **** *** ****'* the ******** *****), **** have ***** ******** ******* for *** *** ***** I've ****** ** - even ** *** ****'* factory ******* / *********, and ***** ******** *** very ************* ******. **** win ** ***** ********."
  • "*** *** ******* ********. Right *****/***** ******, ********** and *** ***** *** needs, **** **********, ******** warranty ****** ********** *** industrial ***. **** *****/********** versatility, ***** ********** ******* but **** ** *** field."
  • "** ********. *'** **** Cisco *** ******* *********** also *** * ***** HP ***** * ***** balance ******* ********, **** of ************* *** *********** price. ** *** ****** projects ** ********* *** 2520 ****** ******** ** the **** ***'* *** 5400 *** ****** ** the ****"
  • "**, *. **** ****** and ********** ************* ******** to ***** *** ****** such ** ***** *. Easy ************* ************. ****,****,************ and *** *** ** and ******* *. ************ is ******* ** *****. No ******* **** ***** for ********"
  • "** ******, ******* ************* and ********** ** ***** but * *** **** money. ***** ** **** stuff *** *** *** a *** *** ***** 5 *******. ** **** has * ******* ** its *******"
  • "** *** * *** of ** ********, ************ the **** ******. ****'** affordable *** ****** **** issues."

***** ****/**** ******* ********** ** **** ******* in ************.

#4 - ******** *****

*** ******* ****** ** our *******, ******** ****** to *** ***** **** unranked ** *** **** results. *********** ******* ** ease ** *************/********** *** low ***** ** **** reasons:

  • "** **** ** *** a *** ** ******** switches *** * **** migrated ** *** ******** switches *** ****** **********. They *** ****-********* **** good ***********, *** **** to ******."
  • "********, ******** **** ** configure *** *** ******** priced."
  • "******** ***** **** ** my ******** *** ** low **** *** ***** based ****** *************."
  • "******** ** *** ***** Wireless ****** ****** *** have *** *** ***** controller. ***** *******. **** works!"
  • "********, ***** ********* & has **** ******** *** PoE."

********'* ***** **** *********** ****** **** *-** ports, *** ***** ********** integrated **** ********'* ******** and ******** ******** **** a ****** *********.

******** *** **** * relatively **** / ****** entrant, *********** ***** ***** switch ***** (***********) **** ***** **** years ***, *** *** expanded ** *** ********** and ***** ***** ** the **** *** *****. This *********, ********* ******** **** *********** for ******** **********, ****** ******** *** Ubiquiti's **** ** ********.

#5 *-**** ********

*-**** **** ****** ***** in **** ******, ****** from ***** *% ** ~7%, **** *****, ******* options, *** ************ **** IP ******* ** *******.

  • "*-**** *** **** *** of ** ******** **** because *** ***** *** the ******** ******* (****** port ***** ************ **** their *** ***** ********) is **** ** *****."
  • "*** ******* ***/** ******** installations ** *** *-****. There ** ******* ************** in *-**** *** **** work **** **-****** ****."
  • "*-**** **'* **** ** use, **** **** ***** unmanaged *** **** ******* and ***** ******* ********."
  • "*-****. ** *** * price ********* ******* ***** rewards ******* *** ***** is * ***** ** Customer ********* ** *** brand **** ******* ** the ******* *******."

*-****'* ******** ****** ************ ********* ********* ** ONVIF *******, **** ********, and ****-**** ******** *** surveillance *******.

TrendNet *******

*******, ******** ******* ********** steady, ******** ******** ** ~5%, ****** ************* *** capabilities.

  • "********. **** *** **** affordable *** *******. ** several ***** ** ***** them * **** ***** had ** *****."
  • "** ****** *** ******** and *** ****** ** that *** ********* ** suppliers"
  • "********, ******** & ********** cost."

********'* ***+ ********* **** ******* ***** those ********** *** *****.

Future *******

***** ** ***** ****** results *** ******* ******, we ****** **** ***** cost *********, ** ********** Ubiquiti, ** ******** ** increase ***** *****. ** contrast, ********** **** ** Cisco, *******, ** ** have *** ********** *****/****** to ******* **** ***** lower **** *******, * likely ***** ** **** integrators ******** *****.

Comments (72)

Undisclosed Integrator #1

10/20/17 02:04pm

"**, ***** ****. ...***** customer ******* *** *** few ***** *'** ****** it - **** ** you ****'* ******* ******* / *********, *** ***** products *** **** ************* priced."

****'* ***********, ******* ****'* contrary ** **** * have ***** **** ***** in *** **** ***** they **** ** *** buy *** ** ***** switches *** ****** *** you *** *** ** authorized ***** **-******, **** said **** ***** *** support *** **** ***** require *** *********** ***'** buying **** (*** *** example) ********* *** *** not **** *** ******* Cisco ********.

*** *********** ******* ***** switches, *'* ******* *** many *** ***** ********* resellers, *** ** ***, when **** **** ***** for ******* **** ***** ask **** ***** **** got *** ****** **** and **** ***** *********** know *** ********** ** buying ** *** ******.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 10/20/17 05:24pm

*********: *

****, ** ***** * Cisco ******** ** *********** here? * ****** ********* facts ***** ** ********** and ***** **** * thought * ********** ********. Geesh. :)

Michael Fusco

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 10/20/17 06:20pm

**** **** * **** observed **** ****** ** pretty ******** ** *** high *** ** ******** industry. ** *********** ****-******** who ***'* ****** ** educate ********** ** ********* & ******* ********** ***/** who ***'* *** ********* on *** **'* *** out's ** * ********** manufacturer's **** **** ******** up ******* ***** **** are ***** *** ****** level ****** **** *******/********* engineers ***'* ****** *** in *** ***** ******* perhaps ***** ** * software *** ** *** procedure ***'* ************ **********.

***** ************* **** ***** support ** ****** *** calls, ***'* **** ** be *********, *** **** if ***** ** * support ******** ******** ** that ***** ** ******** purchased **** *** ****.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

10/20/17 02:15pm

** *** *** ******** switches, ** ******* *** think **** ** **** put **** ** ****** eventually ********* *** *** to **********, "** **** using **** ** ****** and **** ** *** as ********, **** *'** just ** ****** *** buy **** ****** *** probably ******* **** ******, so **** *** *** that *** ** *** quote."

Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 10/20/17 03:54pm

****'* *** ******* ***** to **** ***. ****** tell *** ******** **** the ****** **** ** warranted ** * ***** using **** ********, ******** and ***** ********* ** you.

** **** ****** ** furnishing ******* *******, ***** no ******** ** *** entire ******* ** ****** yet ******* *** *******.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 10/20/17 05:22pm

****'* * ****** **** counter.

Chris Hammond

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 10/24/17 01:43am

***'* **** **, *** a ** ******, ******* just ******* *** ***'* sell **** *** ******?

Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Chris Hammond | 10/24/17 03:44am

***. * ***’* ******** my ******* ** ** “installer” ** * “******”. I ******* *** ** end *********. *****’* * big **********. *** ****** generally ***** *** ** easily *************** *********. *** latter ********* ***** *** a ******* ******* *** keeps ******** *** **** years. ** ****, * do *** ***** ** managers *** ******** ***’* even ** ** *** company * **** **** now ** ******* *** I ***** ** ********* or *****, ** ***** my ********* *** *** their *** ******** **** it. ****’* **** ** my *******.

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Andile Radebe

10/20/17 04:01pm

** ***

*'* * ********* *** user ***** ** ***** Africa. ** *** **** prone ** ********* , especially ** *** ****** season. ** **** ***** that ******* ** ** device, *.*. ******, ** top ** * **** somewhere ** *** ***** and **** ********** ** back * ******* ********* level, *.*. ***** ****, is *** * **** exercise.

**'** **** *** ***** of ***** ** ***** PoE ********* **** ****** Ethernet ** ***** ********** or ******* *\* **** Industrial ******** ** *** field **** ***** ********* to *** ******** ****.

**** ********* ******** *********** costs************* ******* *** ** our ***** ** ******* as *******, ** *** lose *** ** *** point *** *** ******** but *** ********** ******** tend ** **** * hit ** *** ****** total *******.

*********** ** **** ** makes *** ****** ** ruggerized ** ********** ********* units **** ********** *** and ********* , ************ when ** ***** ** difficult ************ **** *** lightning *****.

Michael Fusco

10/20/17 04:11pm

***** ***** ** * network ****** ********** ** interdict *********.

** *** ********* ********* or ***** ***** ********** on *** ******** ***** so **** ** *** event ** * ********* or ******** ***** ** the ******* ***** ** device, *** **** ***** after *** ******. ***** is * **** *** an *******

****://***.*******.***/********/*********-*******-*************-**********/****-**-**

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | 10/22/17 12:34pm

** *******: **** ** them ******* ********* **** well. ***** *** **/*** far ******** *** **** by *** **** ******** manufacturer ** ******* *** Cisco (** ******** ******* is ****). ******* *** bought *** ***** *** networking ******** *** **** are ******* *** **** at *** ****, ***** for * **** ******* design ** * ***** idea *** ***** **** switches *** ** ***** near *** ******* ** Avaya's *** ** *** more *********** ** *** this **********, ** ******* expensive. *** ***** ******* a **** *** **** that ****** *** ** it *** *** ** Avaya's **** ********. ** the *** ************** **** tested **** **,*** ********* camera *******, ****'* **** break * ***** *** there *** ** ****** loss ** ******* **** when **** ****** *** replaced ******* (*** *** kiss ** *****). *** reason ** **** ***'* use ***! **** ***'* need **.

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Ken Mills

10/23/17 01:58pm

* ** *** ******* Manager *** **** *** for ************. **** ** stopping *** ***** **** from ***** **** **********? Having **** **** *****, Dell *** * ***** value *********** ** *** edge *** **** *********** layer. *** *** ******* this **** ******'* ******** defined ********** ******** ****** NSX **** ******** ** the **** *** **** Cisco *** **** ****** projects ***** *********** ** critical. *** *** **** earn **** ** **** networking ********?

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Ken Mills | 10/23/17 03:28pm

***, *** ****** **** to *** * ************ not **** ***** *** a ***** *****, *** either **** ******** **** your ******* ** ******, or ** *** **** what **** *** * client ****, **** *** what *** ** ****.

*** ********, ***** **** some **** *********** ***** where *** ****** **** 2 ** * ********** competitive ******** ** ***********.

"** *** ** ** cameras ** *** ****** at ***** *** ****'* how *** ****** ********* against ********** *'* *** Competitor *'* **** **** switches."

** ** ** **** did ** ****, **** cite **** ***** ********** criteria, **** * ****** or ****** ********, *** maybe ****** ******* ******.

****, ***** *** ******** can *** *** ******, maybe * **** ****** discount **** ***** ***** and ************ *** ******** a **** ***** *** the **********, **** ******** end ***** ******** ** the *** ***'* ***. And *'* ******* **** beneficial ********, *** **% and ********* ** ** be ***** **** ****.

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Ken Mills

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 10/23/17 05:40pm

*** **** ******. * did *** ******* *** the ************* ** **** time ** * ** hoping ** *** ** understanding ** **** ** the ****** **** ** not ** *** **** and **** ** *** do ** **** ** opportunity. *** ***** * will ***** *** ** that ** ***** **-**** deployment *** ******* ******* that *** **** **** competitive *** ***** ** are ** *** ** end ********, *** *** have * **** ********** help ******* *** ********* your ********, *******, *******, clients *** **************.

** **** **** *****. We ***** * **** better ******** ** *** become ** ****** ******* vs **** ***** ** dell.com. ** ************* ***** a **** ******* ** competing, ** **** **** able ** ******* ********** pricing *** ********** ******* registration.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Ken Mills | 10/23/17 07:42pm

*** ***** * **** point *** ** **** we ***** **-**** ********** and ******* ******* **** are **** **** *********** and ***** ** *** an *** ** *** provider, *** *** **** a **** ********** **** install *** ********* **** switches, *******, *******, ******* and **************.

* ***** *** ** the ******** ** ** you *** ****** ****** for *** "*** ****". What *** ******* ** all **** *** ****, but ***** **** ******* those ***** ** ***** including **************, ***** ** fine *** ****** *** for ***** ** **** more ***********, *** **** fewer *** ******* ** between. *** **** ** be **** ** ***** to *** ***-**** *** smaller ****, ***. * think **** ******* ***** only **** ** ***** you *** ** ******* deals ** *** *** well *** **** ****** they **** * ****** on * ****** **** with ***.

**'* **** ** **** those **** *** ** reps *** **** ******* to **** ***** ****-************* and *** **** ************* for *****. ** ****** how ****** ************* ** the ****** **** **** trying ** ***** **** that **** ***.

** ***** * **** better ******** ** *** become ** ****** ******* vs **** ***** ** dell.com.

****** **** ********* *** better **** *%, ***** is **** **** **** I ****** ** [* long **** ***] ******* and **** ******* * should ** ******* **** a *** ** *********. I ****'*.

Undisclosed Integrator #3

In reply to Ken Mills | 10/25/17 01:14pm

**** *** **** * bad ***** ******, *** bad **** ** **********. That's *** ***'** *** on *** ****. **** needs ** ** *** actual **** ******* ** changing ******'* *********** ******* hiring ********* ***** ***** Engineers *** ********, ****** it ** *** **** from * ****** ***********, and ******** ***** ******* customers *** ************** ** require *** *******. **** is *** **** **** Dell ******* *****. ** Avaya, *********, *******, *** have *** ****** ** this **** *** *****, with ******* *******, ********** products; * **** ** impressed ** **** *** turn **** **** ******.

**** **** **** ******** is ***** ** *********** capabilities, *** ***************. **** Support ** * *********/******** stock ******** *'** ****** (including * ***** **** Server *******). **** ** going ** **** ** actually ***** ********* **** opportunities ** **** *****, not ****** ****** ** give **** * ****, just ******* ****'** ****** to **** ***.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Ken Mills | 10/24/17 03:03am

**** *** *** ** the ********** ********: ****'* networking ** * *********** of ******** ******* **** their ***** *** "*******" different ** ******* **** their ***** *******. ******** problems ** *** *** going ** *** **** NSX, *** ***** **** someone **** ** ** do ** *****. *** is *** *** **** solution ******, ***** *** standards **** *** *** better *** * **** talked **** *** ** VMware ***** **** *** the *** **** ** basically ***********. **** ****** two ********, ***, **** might ** ******* * problem *** **** *** adding **********. ***, *** cost!

***, *** *** ****** that *** ************** ** in *****, *** **** also *****'* ***** ***** technical ********. ** *** are ******* **** *********, 99% ** *** **** you **** *** ******* up ** *** ******* you **** **** ******* the ****. ** **** elegant ********* *** **** but ** **** *** pointing *** ***** ** the ****** *******.

***, ** ****** *** directly, **** *** *** buying **** **********, **'* unclear **** *** *** getting. **** ** ***-******* and ***** ****** *** is *** ********* *** at **** *****, * can *** **** **** a ******* ** ** better ******* **** ***** higher *** *** **** better ********. **** **** give *** ******* *****, but *** ******* ** not *****.

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Ken Mills

In reply to Walter Holm | 10/24/17 01:41pm

******,

****** *** *** ******** and ****** ********. ** you *** *******, * would **** ** ******* this ** **** ******. Dell *** ** ********* to *** ************ ******** and ** **** ** provide ******* *********. ****** shoot ** ** ***** at ***.*****@****.*** ** ** can ******* *** ******* how ** *** ** a ****** *** ** this ****.

Chad Rohde

01/05/18 02:23pm

*'* ***** **** **** discussion, ****, *** *** commenters * ******** ******** style ******. ** **** Ubiquiti ** **% *** no ******** **** ********* or ********* ** ** reason ****** ** ***** the ** **** ****.

******** ***** *** ** these ***** **** ** we *** *********** ***** and ***********.

*****'* **** *** ** surviving ** ****** ********. Never ***** ******. * hope.

Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 02:34pm

** **** *** **** first **** ****** **** has **** ***** ** Mikrotik **** **? *** check ** *** *** appreciate *** ********** **** brand. ****** **** ** a *** **** **** we *** **** **.

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 02:36pm

************* ******** *** ***** ** most *********** *** ************ applications? * **** **** of ***** ****** ********, I **** * *********** on ** **** * have **** ******* **** things **, *** *** switches * ** *** see ******** ************ *********** for ************. **** ** the ******** ** *** support *** **** ** PoE, *** *** **** that ** **** ******* PoE.

******** ** ***** *** some ****** ******* *** PoE ********.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/05/18 03:40pm

* **** **** ** reread *** ********** ******* of "******* ******". ** it ***** **** **** POE ****** *** ************ Systems, **** **** *** correct. **** ** *** thing * **** **** waiting ** ***** *** Mikrotik ** **. ***** more ****** ** *** switches.

************* ******** *** ***** ** most *********** *** ************ applications

**** **** * ****** models **** *** ***** SwOS, *** **** **** you ****** *** ** misleading. ******/******/**/******/***/**** ******/*** ****** or ******/****** ******........................ ** is **** ****** *** runs *** ******** **** it *** ********* ** everything * **** *** cisco ****** *** ** limited ** ******** *********.

***********.***** ********'* ******* **** with ******.

** *** ***** *** an *** **** *** under $** **** ******** level * *** *** all ***** * ************.

******** ******** ******

**** ** ****. ****** lack ** *** *******.

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 04:31pm

****** **** ** *** options.

***** ** *** ** the **** ******** ********** of * ****** ***** used *** ** *******/***** surveillance.

*** * ****** ** security/surveillance *********** ********* ******* switch ***********, ** ** safe ** ****** **** PoE ** ***** ** be * **** ** break *******.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/05/18 06:05pm

* *****. *** * would *********** **** ***** 1/4 ** **** ** the ********** ****** ***** POE ********. ** ****'* why * ********* ********. Basically **** ******** ******* on **** **** ** a *** *** *********** on ***** ** *********** and ************ *****. **** is *** ***** ************ industry ** **** ***** all ****** ***.

*** ***** ** *** report ***** ** ******* in ** *******. *** Switch ***** **** **** some *******.

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 06:17pm

*** *** ***** ****** used ** ************ ** PoE. ***-*** ******** *** often **** ** *** core ** ***** ******** or *** ********** *******/*******/*******.

********, *** ***** ******* stats ** ****** "******** Network ******For ***** ************", and this is IPVM, a surveillance/security-focused site.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Ethan Ace | 01/05/18 07:20pm

* ***** **** ************ argue ******* ****** ****** to *** "*** ***-******** when *** **** *** or *** ******** *** your **** ********" ***** you ******** ***'* **** to **** * *** of *** *** ***** brand ******* ********.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 03:31pm

****, ******** ** ****** centric. **** ***** ** tying * ******* ** MPLS, ***, **** ** with ****. * ***** they ***** ******* *********** solutions, *** * ***** everything ******* ***** ******* protocols *** **** ********* with **** **** * have ** (**** **** replacing * ********'* **** [I **** **** *** network **** ** ******]). I ***** ***** ** a ****** **'* ****** mentioned.

***** ** **** *********** though, * **** ** admit. *** * ****** job, * ***** *** use ****, * ***** be ***** ******* ** this ***** (*** **** features *** ******* **********, multi-tenanting *** ******* **** multicast). * ***'* *********** require ******* ** *** edge (*** *****) *** they **** ********* ******** run ******* *** ***** devices *** **** *** a **** ***** ******* at *** ****, **** are ******** *** ** the **** ** *** vendors (***** ** ******* build, *** ******** ** software *** ******** ******).

***** ***** *** *** out ** *** ******* world. **** **** ** many ** ********* *** in **** **** ***** product (* **** ** their ********* ** *** security), *** **'* *******, buggy *** *****'* ***** a *******. ***** *** it **** **** ** implementing ****, **** ****** could ****** *** ****.

******** ** ****** ** the **** **** ***** but **** ** ******* to ****** *** **** in **********. ***** *****, Cisco **** ** *** late **'* *** *** of ***** ******* ****** with ******** ******* *** devices **** **** **** and **** ********* **.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 04:09pm

**** **** ******* ** to ****** *** **** in **********?

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 04:28pm

******* ****'* ****** **, Avaya ***, *** ******* bought *** ***** ********** business. ***** ******** **** bridging ** *** ****. Nothing *** ***** ** and **'* ******* *** multicasting (***** ****** ~**,*** camera ******* ** **** Avaya *** ****).

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 07:01pm

*** **** *** *** this? *'* ******** ***** a ***** ****? ********* on *** **** ********* the **** *** *** details ** *** ******* and ******** ***** ** may *** ** **** to **** *****.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 08:19pm

******* ** **** *****? No *** **** *** do **.

****** ** ******* ***** CPU **** **** *** 13%. *** **** *** they **** **** *** it ****** **** ****** colors, **** ****** ** while ******* *******...***** ******* multicast.

*** ****** *** **** worked *** ** ***** does, ** **** **** do *** *** ***. PIM ** * ******* that **** ** * router ** ** ******. Spanning **** ******, ***** other ******, **** *** PIM ****** *** **** have ** *******. **** means *** **** ** re-gather ***** *** ***** everything **** **, ***** means **** ** ***** and **** ** **** time.

**** **** ** ** the ****** ** *** really ******* **'* **** like *********. ** ********, the **** *** *** experience * **** ** 15k **** ** *** L3 ****. **** *** to ** **** *** design ** **** *** core **** * **** low *** *******, ** only ***** ***** ****** and *********.

*** ***** **** (*** sure *** ******* ***** is ***** ** ********* this ** *** ******** edge ********) ******** **** have ** ********* *** depending *** *** *** push *** *** **** to *** **** *********, you *** ***** ********* this. **** ****** ***** routing ******* ********** ** the ****. ******** *** have ** ****** *** this, *** **** ** part ** *** ******, you **** **** ** pay *** *** ******* and ****... *** **** enable **.

**** ***** ***** ** this ***, **'* **** vetted. ***** *** ********* that ******* **** **** a **** *** *** Cisco ***'* **** **** their **** **** ** them. ***** *** ******* free ***** **** *** the ********* **** *** take **. ** **** places ** ****** ****** camera ************, **** **** not ******* ** ******* they ******. ******* **** will ****!

**** ** *** ** a *** *********, **** fabric ** ******* ****** the *****. ******* ***** now ** #* ** technology, **** *** ** market *****. **** *** a *** ** ** with ********** ** *** the **** ** *****.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 09:49pm

******* ** **** *****? No *** **** *** do **.

**** ******* ******* *** details * ***'* *****. Please ******* ******* ** test.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/06/18 04:04pm

* **** **** *** a *** ** *****. 1500 *******, **** ** the **** * ***** 9k *** **.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 09:56pm

*** ** * ******* rule ** ********, ********* that ******* ********* **** can't ** ******** ** any ***** ******* ******* stay *** ** **********. And **** *** ** technology ***** ** ***** more **** *** *** million ***** **** ***.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/06/18 04:03pm

*** ********* ***'* **** Avaya.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/06/18 04:28pm

*****://***.*******.***/*****?*=***********&*******=*****.**&*=***

**** ** *** *** that ******** *** *** test. * **** *** and ** *** * conversation ***** **** ****.

****** ** **** **** guy *** ** ***, he **** ** ** on *** ******/****** **** with *****.

**** ** * ***** video ** ********* *** security ******** ** **** that **** ******.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 06:53pm

**** * ***'* **** how ***** ** * job *** *** ******* about, *** * ***** there ** **** **** members **** **** **** a **** ******** ****** than ********'* ***** ************ *****.

****** **** ** *** bottom *** **** **** you ****** ********** ****.

*** ** *** *** into *** ******** ************, Cisco ** *** **** one **** *** ******* in **** **********. ******** is ******, *** ********** by **** ** **** user ********. *** **** Ubiquiti **** ***** *** say **** **** ****** been ****** ******** **** it ***** ** *******/*********/********/***/*******/***/**********/*************** capabilities.

* *****'* **** *** Extreme ******** ***** ****, so * *** **** comment ***** ***** ******* info. *** * ***'* see ******** ********** *****. Ubiquiti's ********* *** *** design **** ** **** better. ***** **** ********* offers **** **** **** config *** ***** ******* than ********. *** **** do **** ***?

Sean Patton

In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 07:07pm

**** ** *******, ** one *** ***** ******* the **** ** ********; I **** ** *** on **** ****** ***** switches **** ********* ***** supplies. ** *** ********, their ******* ********** *********** is *** **** ** a ******.

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Patton | 01/05/18 07:12pm

****, ****, *** ****, that's ****, ****, **** opinion, ***

Sean Patton

In reply to Brian Rhodes | 01/05/18 07:13pm

**** *** **** ******!

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 07:13pm

****, ************, * ** not ***** *** ********** the **** ****** ***** and ************ *** ******** as ** ************ ******* to ***** ************ ************.

****** **** ** *** bottom *** **** **** you ****** ********** ****.

** **** ** ******. Throughput *** ********* ****** on ****** ******** *** more **** ********** *** video. ** ** **** to *** * ******** configured ****** *** *** a ****** ****, **** less * ******* ** GigE ****.

*** ** *** *** into *** ******** ************

****** ****** ****. ** camera *********** *** ***** a **** ***. **** are **** ***************** ******* ** ********* networks,***** *** *** ********, ******* **** ** often ***** ** ******* as ** **** **** the *********** ** *******/*******/*******/***.

******** **** *** ** real ************** ** *** surveillance *****. * ** not ***** ** *** manufacturers **** ******* *** product, *** ******** *** not ******* ** ************ like***, ** ****/*********** ** large *************.

*** *** ******** ** surveillance ***********, ******** ******** are ****** ********, ** underkill. ****** ******** **** integrators **** *** *** (and ** *** **********) and ******* ******* **** PoE **** ******* **** from *** **** ******** of *** *****.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/05/18 07:52pm

*'* ******* *** **** arguments. * *** ******** to ******. ****** ** understand *** ******* ********* Mikrotik *** *******. *'* not ****** ** ****** 15,000 ****** *****. *** I'm ****** **** ****'* more **** **** ******** trendnet *** ******.

****** *****, *** *** go **** **** ******. I'm **** ** *****.

********** *** **** ****** needs *** ************ *** switches ** ** ************ relates ** ***** ************ applications.

#*. ***

#*.*****

#*.*****

#*.*****

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 08:18pm

***** *** ** ** particular ***** ******* ***** are ************ ** *** cases, ******** ***********, ***.

* ***** *** *********** would **** *** ********* main ******** **** ******** a ******:

*) ***, ** *** in ***** ******* ** least ** ****** ****** to ***** **** ******* of **/**/** **** ******, as **** ** ****** that *** ******* **** wattage ** ******** ***** for ****** **** ****, cameras **** *******, ***.

*) **** ************, ******* stocked ** ***** ********* distributor *** ***** ******. In ******** ** ****, ease ** ******* **** a **** *****.

*) **** *********. ***** preferred **** *** **** of *** ****. ** mentioned *****, ******* ****** like *******, ******* *******, or **** ******* ** span/mirror ***** *** ********. Make ** **** ** put ***** ** * VLAN *** ****** *** power **** ******.

*) *** ****. *** surveillance ****** *** ******** are **** ** * "necessary ****" **** **** component. **** *** *** what *** ******** ** buying ** *********** **** from * ******** ***********. The ******** **** *** "see" *** ****** ** any *** (** **** as ** **** *** basic *** ** ********** packets).

***** **** ** ********* to *** *****, *** rarely **** *********** ****** a "*********" ****** (*****) based ** ******** **** backplane ******, ***** * features, ********* ***** *******, modularity/stackability, ***. ** **** cases **** ******** **** this **** **** **** it ** *** ****** enterprise-level ******* ***** *** customer's ** ********** ***** drives *** ********, ** the ****** **** ** managed *** ********* **** the **** ** ***** infrastructure *** *** ********** has **** ****** ***** on *** ******.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 08:39pm

* ***** *** **** as * ***********. **** needed *** ************ *** if *** **** ** find * ** ** vendor, **** **** ** needed.

*** ***** ** **** to *** **** **** the ******** ******* ***, so **** ***** *** be * ***********.

***** ******* *** ******* rugged ** ********* **** may ** ******.

** *** *** ******** a ********* ******* (***** you *** ** *** installed *** *** ** you *** *** *** you ********* ***, **** will ** * ******** problem *** *** *** the *******), ***** **** be **** ******.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/05/18 08:17pm

***** *** *** ******* Mikrotik **** *** ***********, and ******* ** ** pick * "**** ***" switch.

**-**** ***** ** *********** is ****** **** *******, dlink, ********. ******** *** Cisco *** ********** **** kill ** **** *********.

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 08:23pm

** **** ****** * agree **** ***. * use **** **-**** ******* equipment ** **** *** have ***** *** *****/*********** ratio ****** ****. *******, it ****** ***** * bit "*****" ** **, and * ** *** think * ***** *** it ** * ****-***-**** scenario.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/05/18 09:16pm

**** ** ***** * got **** ****** **** time. :) *** ****** for * **** ******.

Undisclosed #5

In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/11/18 07:06am

***** *** *** ******* Mikrotik...

* **** ******** ************! They’re ******* ** **** on *** * *** them ** **** *** their ********* **** *****.

*** *****’* ***** **** chance **** **** ******* integrator *****, *.*. “**********”, are ***** ** *** non-standard *** ** * plastic ***** :)

Chad Rohde

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/11/18 03:50pm

*****, ************, * ** not ***** *** ********** the **** ******** ***** and ************ *** ******** in * ***** *******. And *** ***'* ********** that *** ***** *** quoted ** ****** ***** with ******'* *** * debate ***** *** ******* price ** *********** ***** lead ******** *** ** network ********.

*** **** ** * didn't ********** *** ************ or **** ******* *** video ************ ************, * would ********* ******** ***** because *** ******** ** use ***** **** **** a ******* *** ***. I ***'* ***** *** can ***** ******** *********** because **** **** * different *****. * ***** I ***** **** **** why ***** *** ***** the ***** ** ** extra ****** **** **** NVRs **** *** *** and ********** ****** ** bandwidth. ********** ***** *** said:

** **** ** ******. Throughput *** ********* ****** on ****** ******** *** more **** ********** *** video. ** ** **** to *** * ******** configured ****** *** *** a ****** ****, **** less * ******* ** GigE ****.

***** ***** ** ** next *******:

***** *** **** ****, respectfully, ** ******* **** somebody *****'* ********** *** most ****** ***** *** requirements *** ******** ** it ************ ******* ** video ************ ************. ***** reading**** ********, ** ****** **** Brian ***'* ** *** IPVM **** **** ****** it. ** ***** * am ************* ***** ******** the **** **** ******** contradicts *****'* **********?

************ ************ ********

******: **** ****, ********* on *** **, **** |

Network ********* ** * *** ******* ** ************ *******.

*** *** ******** ** surveillance ***********, ******** ******** are ****** ********, ** underkill.

* ******** ****** **** is ******* **** *** competition ***'* ** ********** overkill ******* ** *** more ************. **** ******* they ****'* *****.

****** ******** **** *********** will *** *** (*** my *** **********) *** lacking ******* **** *** that ******* **** **** the **** ******** ** use *****.

*'* *** **** *** having ***** ******** ******* a ********? ******** *****'* force *** *** **** to *** *** ********** every ******* *********. *** all *** ******** * have **** *** ** powered ** *** ******* as * ****** ******* any **** *************. * agree **** ** *** would ** ********* ** a *** ******** ********.

******** **** *** ** real ************** ** *** surveillance *****. * ** not ***** ** *** manufacturers **** ******* *** product, *** ******** *** not ******* ** ************ like***, ** ****/*********** ** large *************.

*** * ***** *** best *** ****. *** one ***** ** ***** on *** * ********* from *** ***** ** lack ** *** ***. But **** ** ***** to ****** **** *** new * *** ** port *** ******** **** are ********* ****. *** as **** ** * get ** ***** ** them ** *** ***, Broadwaves **** ** ***** to ********* ******** ** the **** ************ *****. Just **** ** *** Uniview ** ********* **** and **** **** ** legit. *** ** ** no **********.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/11/18 03:56pm

* ******* "******* ********* is * *** ******* in ************ *******" ** "******* ********* *** ** a ******* *** **** surveillance *******" ***** ** is ******* *** * major ******* *** **** systems *** ** *** very **** ******** ** already ***, "***** ******* still ********* ****** **** large ******* ** ***** data" ***** ******* ********* the ******* *** * specific *******.

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/11/18 04:43pm

**** -

* **** *********** *** deployed ******** **** ********* spanned **********. * ****** 2 **** ***** *** both ********** ************** *** WAN ******** **************. * am **** ** ************* networks, **********, *********, ***. I **** ******* ******** that ***** *************** ******** on ******* ********* * do *** **** ** get **** * ‘***** measuring’ ******* **** *** has *** **** ********** background, *** * ****** you * **** **** around.

*** ******** ** **** use ***** *** **** a ******* ***, *** Univiews ****** ***** ** relatively ****. ********** **** Mikrotik ****** ** ******** to ** ******** **** because ** **** ****-**** idea ** *** * strong ********.

** ** ** **** to **** ******** ******* in **** ******, *** started *** ** ********** the ******* ** * survey ** **** *********** say **** ***, *** then ********* * ******* few ****** **** ***** of, **** **** ******* support, *** * ******* lack ** * ****** popular ******* (***).

******** *** **** * poor *** *** *** average ************ **********, * big ****** *** *** do *** *** **** integrators ****** **** *** it. ** ***** ** even ***** *** ********* networks, ***** *** ****** of **********, ******* *** availability ** ***** ******* in **** **** ** intergrators ** ****** *******, at ****.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Brian Karas | 01/11/18 06:24pm

* ** *** **** to *** **** * ‘cable *********’ *******

**** *** *** **** it ** ******** ************ guys ** *** ******** of ** ******** ** readers ***'* **** ** use ****** **********. ****** in *******!

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 08:32pm

*** **** **** *** could ******* ****. * cannot **** ******** ***** Mikrotik ******** **** ** PIM. **** ***** ** multicast *** ********, ***** on **'* ****** **** legacy ********, **** ***** sense.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 09:19pm

**** **** **** ** the ********, ********, ** even ***** ****** *** let ** **** *** responses.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/11/18 03:21am

***** ***** *** *** out ** *** ******* world. **** **** ** many ** ********* *** in **** **** ***** product (* **** ** their ********* ** *** security), *** **'* *******, buggy *** *****'* ***** a *******. ***** *** it **** **** ** implementing ****, **** ****** could ****** *** ****.

************ ** ***** **** hope. *** * **** hate'm ***** * ****'*. They **** **** ********** the ****** *** * long ****.

Sean Patton

In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 03:32pm

******? ********. *** ******* powerhouse **** * ******* page **** ***** **** this, ** ***** ** take *** ****** ****** away **** *****? **** 3 *** **** ****** on ***** ******* *******?

*'* *** ****** ******** doesn't **** **** ********, or ******* (* **** no ****); *** ******** has * **** ****** shot ** ****** **** Cisco, ** **** ***, Brocade, *******, *******, ***. MikroTik ***** **** ** take **** *** ** those ***** ************* *****.

***** ** *** ** the ******** ** ******* $100 ******* *** ******* Wireless *******.

***'** ******* ** ******** that ** **** *****, they *** **** ** be, *** ****'** ******** someone. *****, **** ***** probably ******** ********, *******, Proxim(CEO ******* *** * company ******** ** *****), etc...

** **** ***** ***** be, **** ** ** Video ******, *** *** representative ** *** ** Physical ************** ***** ** all; *** * ***** focus ** ** ******** much ****** *********.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Sean Patton | 01/05/18 04:34pm

* ***** **** ********** Sarcasticists ***'* *** ***** peoples *******. **** ******** Extreme ** *** *** of ******* *** *******.

** **** ***** ***** be, **** ** ** Video ******, *** *** representative ** *** ** Physical ************** ***** ** all; *** * ***** focus ** ** ******** much ****** *********.

**** *** *** ** talking ***** ******** *** routers? *** * ** really ********.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 04:38pm

******* ****** ******* ***.

Sean Patton

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 04:41pm

**** ******* **** ******, or **** ********, *** the **** ** ******** AFAIK...

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Patton | 01/05/18 04:47pm

****, **** **** ******* content **** ***** *** wireless ********* (**** ******* Avaya's ***** *** ******** really **** ***** **** extended ***** ****** ** it *** ** ****** many ******** *** ********** issues, *** **** ***** be ******* ** *** AP ******), ***** ********** is *** **** *****. I **** **** ****** Brocade *** *** ******** base ******, ********* **** have * ******* **** Brocade, * **** ***** and ***** *** *********** networking (***** ** ***** away *** **** *** planning ** ****** ******** to ***** ***). *****'* fabric ****** ** **** to ** ******** **** need ** **, *** there ***** ** ********* unique ***** ******* ********. I *** **** ****** that ******* ** ***** left ** *** ** a ******** ********. * am ******* **** ******* really ****'* **** * good **** *** ***** buys, **** **** ****.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 05:07pm

* ****'* ***** ** the ******* ********.

* ** ******* **** Extreme ****** ****'* **** a **** **** *** these ****, **** **** tell.

******* **** ** **** doesn't ***** ****** ******* with ***** ********. *** Avaya ****** **** ** Nortel ****** ****.

***** ***** **** *** Extreme **** *** ******** them ***. ****** *** for ********. :) *******.

Sean Patton

In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 04:38pm

**** ***** ** *** Mikrotik ** ***** *********** was *******, * ******* wiffed ** ****...

*** ******* *** ******** use ****** *** ***** Surveillance ****** ** ******* and ******** *** ** home ** ****** ****** vs *** *** ** etc. * ***'* **** how **** ** *********. Is ** *** **** Motorola ***'* ** **** list ******* *** **** of *** ***** ***** market **** ***?

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Brian Karas

IPVM | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/05/18 04:42pm

**** *** *** ** talking ***** ******** *** routers?

******* ************ ** ******* rarely ******* ****.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Patton | 01/05/18 04:35pm

****, ***** *** *** to *** **** *** business ******* ***.** ******* when **** ***** ******* for * ***** ;). To ** ***% ********, they *** ** ****** in *** ******** ** selling ***.** *******. * am **** ******* *****.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 04:38pm

*** **** ** ** it. **** ****** *** of *** ***** **** router ****** **** **** bought *******.

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Walter Holm | 01/05/18 06:00pm

****, ***** *** *** to *** **** *** business ******* ***.** ******* when **** ***** ******* for * ***** ;). To ** ***% ********, they *** ** ****** in *** ******** ** selling ***.** *******.

*** ***** ** ********* ******** ***-$*** *******.

********* *** *** *** an ****** ******** *** $**.

Sean Patton

In reply to Ethan Ace | 01/05/18 06:05pm

*** ***** **** *** a ***** **** ** 2016, *** * ******'* have **** ***** *** in *** ******** ** selling ***-$**,*** ******* ******.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Sean Patton | 01/11/18 03:00am

**** * ***'* ********** is *** **** ***** take ** ************* **** product **** **** ******* and ********* ** ** crap. * **** ****** seen *** *** ***** versions **** ********* *** any ****** ** ****.

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Chad Rohde | 01/11/18 12:58pm

**** ** *** ***** decade ** ** ** days, * ******* *** drastic **** ** ******* control *** **** ***** bought *******. * ****** suspected **** *** **** purposely ** *** *** drive ***** ******** **** to *** ***** ***** PIX *** *********, ***** many *** ******* ****** when *** ******* ******* came *** ******* **** were * *** ******* and ****** ** *****. What **** ****'* **** on *** ***** ******** customers *** ** ******* were *** ***** ** go **** ** *** Cisco ***'*, **** ******* they ***** ** *** the *'*****, ******** *** similar **** **** **** than ***** ** **** void. ***** *** ***** Linksys ****** ******* ******* better **** * ***** they ******** ****, *** you ***** *** *** same ******* ** *********** the ******** ******* ******* seemed ** ****.

* ***** **** *** of *** ***** ****** and ****, *-**** ******* routers **** **** **** at *******. ** ******** two ********* ******* **** the ***** ****** *** the *** ** ** computer ****'*.

Chad Rohde

In reply to Luis Carmona | 01/11/18 05:16pm

* ***** **** *** of *** ***** ****** and ****, *-**** ******* routers **** **** **** at *******. ** ******** two ********* ******* **** the ***** ****** *** the *** ** ** computer ****'*.

*** ******. *** ****** I **** ****** **** still **** ***** ** working *********** ****** *** if **** ****** ******* to ********* *****. *** unless **** **** **** extra ******** * ****** say **** *** ****** ones.

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Walter Holm

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Ethan Ace | 01/05/18 08:04pm

**** ***** ******* ** though:

*****://***.*****.***/*/**/**/********/*******/*****-********-**-******-*******/***-***-******-*******.****

Chad Rohde

In reply to Walter Holm | 01/11/18 03:14am

**********. ****** *** *** "Cisco" ** *********. ******** has * ****** **** can ** ********** ***** Cisco ****** *** ** plus **** ****** *** a ******** $**. ******** also **** ****** *********** for ***** ******.

***** ****** **** ** the **** ***** *** of ********** *********. ****'* their ***** *** ******. Not ****, *** ********, and ***** *** **** VOIP.

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