*** *** ****, *** result *** *** **********. One ** *** *** integrator ********* ** ********* replied:
- "* ***'* **** ** see *** **** *********** don't *** [****], *** what **** *******" *******.
** **** ***** **** pick **** * ****** favorite? ** **** *** that ****, **** *** did **** ** *** comments ****** ******* ********, elevated ********* ****** ********, and ******* **** ****** complexity **** ************?
** ******* *** ******* inside.
82% **** *** ********, ** ***** ******
****'* *** **************** ********** ******** *** one-sided ** ********. ***** mentions ******** ** ***** brands, **** ** ***** second ***** ******* **** with ********* *******.
******, **** **** ***-*** brands **** *********, ** often *** * **** for ********* ** ******* labeled *** ******* ***** resold ** ****** ********, e.g.:
- "* **** **** * Honeywell *** *** ***** so * *** ****** panels ** * **** it ********** **** ***** readers. * **** **** are ********* ***."
*** *** ***** ******** most *****, **** ***** comments ****** ********* ******** experiences:
- "*** ***% - *************, durability *** ***********. ** rarely ******* ***** ** they **** ** **** forever."
- "* **** **** **** other ******* **** *** years *** **** *** HID ******* ** ** extremely ********, ****** **** to **** ** (********* for *** *****) *** pretty **** *********...... ** it ***'* ***** ***'* fix **!"
- "***** **** *** *** we ******* *** **** is *** *** **** or **** ** * Keypad ** ********. **'* a **** **** ******, easy ** *** *** LED **** ****** * large *****, ******/******* *****, decent **** *****, ******* multiple ************ *** ********* trying ** ********** **** prox ** ******. ******** warranty. ****'* *** ** love?"
- "*** **** - ******** reader, **** ** *** and *************."
- "*** ****** ***** **** MultiCLASS *******. *** ****** is ****** *** **********, and *** ********** ****** us ** *********** ******* cards ** ** **** to. ** ******'* ****** brands ** **** *****, because *** **** ***'* save **** ****. ** wouldn't ****** ** *** security, ******* *** ***'* add **** ****. ****** support? *** ******* **** a ******** ********. ******* availability? **'* *** *** brand **** ***** *********** sells, ** *****'* * competitive ****** **** ******** sellers ********* ** *****."
- "*** ** ********** - we **** *** ** issues ** ** ***** wit **** ******* *******."
- "** *********** ** *** iClass ** ******* *** credentials. **** *** ********* secure ****** *** *** general ******* *****. ** someone *** **** ******** requires ** **** ** that. **** ****** ** vertically **** ******* ***** keeps ** **** ****** to *****. ** **** generally *** *** ****** 37 *** ****** ******* there ** **** *** of **** **** ********. No **** ** **** up **** ******** ***** for ********* ** ******* of ********* ***** ***** ordered."
- "*** ****** *** ********** readers. ***** *** *** formats ** ********* ****. They ***** *** ******** applications."
- "***. ******** ******** *** perception **** ** *** client * ************, ******** products **** *** ** supplied *** ********** ** any **********."
- ''*** ******. **** ** wrong **** ***."
- "** *** ***. **** of *** ********* *** very **** **** *************, so '***' ******** ***** sites ********** ** ******** standards. *** ********* **** also *** ***, *****-****, 125Khz *** **.*****-******* *** future-proofing, ** ** ******* the ***-***."
- "*** *** ***** ********** and ***** ********* ************, wide ***** ** ********, long ****-*****, ********* ************."
- "*** ******. ** ** versatile ** ** ***** able ** **** * broad ******** ** *****."
HID's ******* *** ** ****** *********
*** ** *** ******* factors ** *** ***** such * ***-***** ******** is *** ******* ** the ***** *** ******** of ******* **.** *** iClass ********** *******. ******, a ******* ******* ******** of ****** *********** *** HID ***********, *** *** according ******* **** ** compatible.
******, ** ***** ** our ******** ****** ******* *********** 2018 **********, ******* **.** *** formats ********* ******-*********** *** iClass ********* ** **** in **********, *** *********** over **% ** ********* formats:

*** *******, *** **** a ****** **** **** format **** **** ** licensed ** *********** *** use, *********** ******* *********** at * **** ************ immediately.
***** ******* *** *******-****, or ******* ******** ******* like*** *************'* ****** *** ******* ***/ EV2, *** ******** ** sparse ** **** ***** of *** *****, *** in **** ***** *** readers ******* ******* *** those ******* ** **** at ** ********** ****.
Favorites *********
******* ********* ******* ********** why ***'* ****** ***** is ** ******. ******* ranging **** ******** ** questions ***** **********, *********** credential ****** **********, **** service ***********, *** ********** brand *********** ** *** users *** *********** *** combine *** * *********** lead ** ******** ******:
- "*** *** *** ****** so ********* **'* ********* to **** * ********* reader ******* ********* *** existing ***********."
- "** ******* *** ******* for *** ******** ** our ***********, ****** ** have ******* ********* **** of *** ******* ******* as ****. *** ******** warranty ** *** *** readers *** * **** reason *** ** ******** them, *** ***** ****** dominance ***** ** **** to ****** ***** ******* and **** **********/********** ******* it ******* * ****** look."
- "***. *** **** *** saying **, "** *** gets ***** *** ****** Cisco." ***** *** ****, has *** ****** ** yet, ** ****** ** change. ***** **** **** others **** **** ** about ***** *****, *** price *** ***** **** a *** ********* *** me, ********** ** * commodity *********."
- "***. ** ** *** industry ********. **** **** other **** *********, *** HID ** *** ** to."
- "***. ******** *** ***********."
- "***. ******** *** **** with ****** *** ****** control *******. **** **** are ****** *********** ******** by *********** *** ******."
HID **********
*******, **** ********* **** have ****** **** ***. Several ******* ** **** failure ***** ** ***'* Bluetooth (***) ******* ** *******, keypad ******* ******* ***, and ******* ********** ** part ******** *******:
- "*** - **** ** options **** **** ** smart ********** * ***'* care *** ***** **** number ****** ******..."
- "** *** ********* ***** the ********* *******. * do **** *** *** pad ** *** ********* over *** *** ***/**** as *** *** ******* tend ** **** ***."
- "***. ******** ** **** been ****** * *** of ****** **** *** new ********* ******* ******* in *** *****. ********* they **** * ******** but **** ** ******* a *** ** ****** for *** *********."
- "**** ** ***. *** has ****** ** ********* and ****** ******* ******, I **** **** **** not ** ********** ** our ********."
- "**** ****** ** ********** slot ******* ***** ***** us **** ****** ** those."
- "******* *** ** *********** to ***, *** ** have **** ******* ***** jump ************* **** *** past *** *****."
- "** *** *** ********** SE ** *** ******** unless ** ** * brand *** ****** **** we ** **** ******** iClass **. ***** ******* our ********* **** ******** and **** * **** warranty. *****’* ******* ******* the ********* *** ** we **** *** ********* on *** **** ***** and ********* ** ***** and ********* ** *****’*. I ***’* **** ******* the ******* ***** **** a ********."
Some ******* *** *******
*************, ******* ***** **** while **** **** **** or *** ************* ***, they *** ******** ******* at ************ ** **** their ********* *** ******** for ****** *** ********** offsets:
- "*** ****** ********* ** the **** ******* ** the ******* *** ******* the **.***** ****** ** also **** *** **** requested ** *** *** users."
- "****** *** **** ** changing ** ******. ****** was ** *********** **** Prox ******* *** *********** but *** ****** ****** the ***** ** ********** by ***** **********."
- "** *** **% *** due ** *** ******** base, *** ******** ** gaining ** ****."
Other ****** ************* *****
******** *** ***** ****** were ******** *** ** 'other' *** ********* **** enough ********* ** ******** from *** ****. ***** comments ********:
- "****** ******* *** ***** technology ******."
- "******** (*******) *****. ** is * **** **** architecture **** ****** *** their ******* *** **** fantastic."
- "*** ******* ******* **** look ****."
- "****** *** ******* ** standardized ** ** *** it ** ******* *********."
- "** ***** ** *** 100% ****** **** ***** Kantech ******* ** **** use ****** *********** *** / ******* ******."
- "******* *** ******* *** credentials. **'* *********** *** does **** ** ** well. **** **** ** last ****** **** *** readers. *** **** ********** too."
- "*** **-*** ******/****** *******. Good ******* *** **** nice ** **** **."
- "*** *** ***** *********** Safetrust ******** *** **********."
- "* **** *** *** Allegion *******. *** ********* XceedID/Aptiq - **** **** good ****."
- "***** ******* *** ******* to ** *******- *** indication ** ************- ******* seem ** **** **** (true ***** ** * custom *** ****** **** unlocking * **** ** debatable). ****** *** *** Gallagher ****** *******- ***** best **** ******** *************."
Comments (19)
Tre Brickley
I've got my Avigilon ACM Rep pushing Allegion/Schlage Aptiq on me, saying not to use HID. What do you guys think?
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Campbell Chang
I've had quite a few avid sports nuts as clients and they love being able to change the SIFER (Inner Range) colours of all the card readers to their favourite football team.
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Undisclosed Integrator #2
3millID is a relatively new manufacturer formed by the ex-engineers from the XceedID days. So far so good on deployments.
Aptiq has a >10% failure rate on every project to date. Gotten to the point where we convince the door hardware folks to carry them when hard spec so we can avoid all the problems.
Other ACS vendors are getting onboard with some of their offerings. AMAG, for example, has a very aggressive mobile credential format specific to their readers.
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Scott Napier
We will not use HID readers when we can avoid them, our preferred readers are Identiv. They have been rock solid even when placed in challenging outdoor environments. The HID readers we tried all failed within 90 days, and this is several dozen reader failures, not just one or two.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
Curious where Wavelynx is in all of this. Does anyone have first-hand experience installing these in the field?
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Scott Napier
The most challenging environment we have used HID readers in (with near zero success) is Panama. Extremely humid areas with many hours of direct sunlight on the readers. They will just flat out refuse to work, or the seals fail and we find them with water inside. Identiv has not had these issues.
I have also had a very high failure rate on HID PIV-Class readers, and all of those were in the DC area.
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Rick Caruthers
10/01/18 08:44pm
We offer three of the above mentioned ( HID, Farpointe and Aptiq) to our 400+ dealers globally. At this point if i were to put percentages toward sales I would say the breakdown would be:
Farpointe = 55%
HID = 40%
Aptiq = 5%
We are seeing a large amount of readers being shifted to MiFare/DesFire and IClass/SEOS and less being sold as standard 125Mhz. I will say that Farpointe has exceptional warranties, customer service and product availability. Their part numbers are simple and the readers are very versatile. The biggest complaint of our dealers with HID is the complexity of the order number (we have imbedded in our price list the suggested part numbers to simplify) and the product availability when it comes to IClass readers. The Aptiq readers seem to be used in situations where there are multiple legacy credentials requiring a more open format reader. We do not see unusual failure issues with any of the three when ordered correctly.
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Undisclosed Integrator #6
I don't understand this statement "SEOS cannot be vertically slot punched which keeps us from moving to those." what does "vertically slot punched" mean?
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