False Alarms On Binders And Water Bottles, Admits Evolv School User

By Donald Maye, Published Jun 28, 2022, 09:40am EDT (Info+)

False alarm problem revelations are growing for Evolv, who has repeatedly stressed hiding them, alleging it would endanger security.

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However, a major Evolv customer is having so many false alarms on so many different items, including water bottles and even binders that they made a video trying to explain to students how to handle them.

Inside this note, we examine the school's experience, the problems the school faces, and how this conflicts with Evolv's self-serving determination to hide these problems.

For background, see:

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*** ************ ******** ***** ** ** ************* *****,***** ******* **** ******** ****** ** when ******* ******* *** ***** ******. The ***** ******** ******** ** *** *** **** Times.

**. ******, **** ****** **** ******, explains *** '******** **** *** *** type ** *****' *** ******* ** alarm ** *****, ********* ****** ********* and *****-**** *******:

****** **** ** *** ******** *** Evolv *** **** ***** ** ***** water *******:

**. ****** **** ******** **** ******* these ***** ***** **** **** **** help ********* ************* **** ** ** your ***, ** **** ******, *** in **** *****:

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**. ****** ******* * ********** *** students ** ****** ********* ********, ** ensuring ******** **** ****** ******* **** above ***** ***** ********** *** ****** screening *******. ** ***** **** ******** items *** **** *** ******* * false *****.

*******, ********** **** ********** ******* *** school ** * ******** ****. *** example, ******** ** ****** ***** ******** can ****** *********** ********** * ****** ****** * benign ********** ********* *** ******* ** ******.

Chromebook ******** ***

******* *** ******, ******** **** ******, also ***** *** ******* ** ***** false ******** ** ***********. ******** ********* students ** **** ********** ** *** side ** ***** ****** ** ***** a ********* *********.

Evolv ********

***** ********* ** **** ** **** customer ***** ******:

Depending ** *** * ******** ********** *** ******, metal objects that resemble the barrel of a gun may alert. This is intended behavior, as the system is designed to allow the prevention of both guns and gun parts from entering. We work closely with our customers to develop processes to support the quick flow of students without invasive screening, always a marked improvement over metal detectors. Our Cortex AI**continues ** ***** *** ******* **** ***** ******** ****** ********* *******. [emphasis added]

*** ************* **** ******* ***** ******** *********** ******* **** (***** Evolv ***** **** *** ******)**** ******* * ******** ******* ******* more ******* *** ********** **** ***** alerts.

***** ***** **** **** ******** ** "learn *** *******", *** ******* ***** not ***** *** ******** ******** ** such ****** ************, ********** *********** ****:

***** *** *** ******. *** *** find *** *********** ***** *** ******** over *** ***** ** ***press *** **** ******** ** *** *******. After each release we provide training to our customers and partners.

** ******* ***** ***** ******* ******* and ***** ** *********** ** *** the ****** *** ******** ** *** false ******** ** ***** ****** *******.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg ******* - "******" ***** ****

***** ***, ***** ******, ********* * "record" **** **** **** ****** ******** Charlotte-Mecklenburg ******* (***) ****** ** ******** call **** *****, ***** $*.**:

* ********* **** *********** **********it *** * ****** for us right? The **** *** * $*.* ******* ****. It was 52 systems. And we got those systems deployed in three weeks and got those kids safe going to school 150,000 of them in the district. So really, really happy about that.

**** ********* ** *** **** *** 42 ******* **** *********:

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

06/28/22 01:47pm

** ***** * ******* ** **** setting **** *** ******* *** ***** units **?

* **** ** **** **** **** our **-***** **** ****.

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Donald Maye

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 01:52pm

** **** ****** ** ********* *** setting ****** **** ****** ****.

*******, ********** ** * ******** *** ****** that **** ******* "*"

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Donald Maye | 06/28/22 02:01pm

**’* ***** **** ** ****** **** setting ** ** ***** **** **** been ** **** **** **** ****** this ****. * ** ***** ** run ***** ******* ****** *** **** and *** ** ** *** *** same *******.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 02:10pm

***** **** ** ****** **** ******* so ** ***** **** **** **** on **** **** **** ****** **** clip

*** ***** **** ******* * **** and ******** ** ** ******** ** they **** **** ****** *** ********* settings *** *** ******** ***** **** setting ** **********?

****, *** ***** **** *** ***** the **** ** ******* *** ***** bottles ********** ***** ******? ************, *****'* defense *** **** **** **** **** honest ** ***** ********, **** ****** their ****** **** *** ******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to John Honovich | 06/28/22 02:23pm

* ** ***** ** **** **** and **** ** * *** *** same *******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to John Honovich | 06/28/22 03:50pm

**** ****** ******* ** ***** ** times **** * ***** ***** ****** on * *** * *** ** alarm ******.

****** ******* **** * **** ****** at ***** ** ***** *** ** went *** ***** **** ** * and *** **** ** *.

****** ******* **** * **** *** and ***** ***** ****** *** ** got *** *** ***** **** **** on * *** * ********.

****** ******* **** *** *-**** ****** and * **** ***. *** **** gun *** ******** ***** **** ******* the *-**** ****** ***** ******** **** on * *** * ********.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 03:53pm

**** ********! ** ****'* ***** ** at *** ******? **'* *****'* ******-******* customer ** ****** ***** *** ********. The ************ *** **** * ****** ago *****? **'* ***** *********.

** **** ***** ** *********** ** respond, **** ********* *** *** *** dispute ** ******* **** *** ******'* video. *** ** **** ****** **** alarming ** * **** ******* *** water *******?

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In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 06:24pm

****** ******* **** * **** ****** at ***** ** ***** ***it **** *** ***** **** ** * and not once on D.

****** ******* **** *** *-**** ****** and * **** ***. *** **** gun *** ******** ***** ****without *** *-**** ****** ***** ******** **** ** * and D settings.

****, ****?

* * **** ****** ****** ***** time ** * -****** *** **** **** * ****** **** *** * **** ****** doesn't ***** ** *?

**** ***** **** ***** ** **.

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In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/28/22 06:54pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/28/22 07:12pm

*** ****** **** ******** ***** **** the ******** *******. ** **** *** go ****** **** * *** ** puts * *** ****** *** *** and *** *** * **** ******.

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 07:31pm

** **** *** ** ****** **** a *** ** **** * *** around *** *** *** *** *** 3 **** ******.

** ***** ********************* ** ***** ** **** ****** to ** * *** *** ******* everything **** **** ***** **** ** a ***?

******. * **** ********** ****** ****** again, ****'* *?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/28/22 07:36pm

** *** **** ****** **** * real **** *** *** * **** binder ** ******* **** **** *** not *** * **** ******.

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 07:44pm

*** ***** * **** ****, ** umbrella, * ***** ***** ****** *** a **********?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/28/22 08:23pm

#*, ******* ********,**** *****'* **** ******:

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** *** **** ************ ****** *******? And, ** **, **** *** ******* performance **** ** ** ** ***?

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to John Honovich | 06/28/22 10:26pm

******* ****** ******** *** #*:

*** **** ** ***** ** * 3 **** ****** ****?

****** ** ******* ********:

*** **** ** ****** *** * ring ****** ** ***** *** *** or **** **** *******?

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Donald Maye

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 02:16pm

**’* ***** **** ** ****** **** setting ** ** ***** **** **** been ** **** **** **** ****** this ****.

** ***** ******** ****** ** ** Illinois ****** ******** *** "********* **** and ****" ** ***** ******** **** will ****** ***** ******. *** '*********' part ***** **** ******* ***** ** guns **** ** ****** ** *****:

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Undisclosed #2

06/28/22 02:23pm

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* *** *** ***** ***** **** a ******* .*** *** ***** ** in **** * ****** ** **** in *** ** ***** ***** ****** diversion *****.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 06/28/22 02:25pm

*** ***** **** *** ******* ** a ******** ***** ********? ***** **** I **** **** ***** ********* ** use ********* **** **** ***** ** passed ****** *** ***** ******** *** a ***** ** **** **.

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Undisclosed #2

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 02:32pm

*** ***** ****** ** *** **** the ****** ***** *** ****** ** the ******* *** ******** *** *******, they **** *** **** **** ******* and **** ** *** ***** ** detect *** *******. ** *** ***** inspected *** ***** ****** **** ***** probably ** **** ** **** **** it ****** *** ** **** *** and ******** ******** ** ****** ******.

* ***** **** *** *** ****** is **** *** *** ********** ***** detector *** ********* ******* ***** **** better ****?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 06/28/22 02:44pm

* **** ******* ****** **** ********* get **** **** **** ***** *******. Hand **** ** ** ****** *** they ** ****** *** ***** ********. Human ***** ****** *** **** ******** and **** *** ****.

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Undisclosed #2

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 02:47pm

*** *** ** ***** **** ********** can *** **** **** ****** ******* with *** ***** *****. *** ***** point ** ***** *** ** **** these ********* **** ***** ******.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 06/28/22 02:54pm

** **** ******* **** * *** in * ******, **. ****** **** be **** ***********!

[****: **** ** * ****, **'* Evolv's *****.]

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 06/28/22 03:40pm

*** ***** **** *** *** ****** any **** ** **** **** *** testing.

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Undisclosed #2

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 03:53pm

* ***** ***** ******** ******'* **** the *** ******.

**** ***** **** ** **** **** the *** ** **** *** ***** are ****** ** ********* **** ****** procedures ****** ****** ** ****** ** not **** *** *** ******* *********.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 06/28/22 03:56pm

***** *****'* *** ****** ****** *** Evolv. ********** **** ****** ****** ***** detectors.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 04:01pm

********** **** ******

** *** ****'* ***** *** ***** in **** ****** ** ***? *** end ***** *** ********* ******** ******** to **** ***** ***** ***** ***** the ********* ***** ** *** ***** system.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to John Honovich | 06/28/22 04:54pm

******* * *-**** ****** ***** **** head ** ******* * **** *** trigger ** *****.

******* * **** *** ***** **** head **** *** ******* ** ***** setting * **** *** ******* ** alarm.

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Donald Maye

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 05:05pm

******* * *-**** ****** ***** **** head ** ******* * **** *** trigger ** *****.

******* * **** *** ***** **** head **** *** ******* ** ***** setting * **** *** ******* ** alarm.

** *** ********** **** ******* ***** above *** **** ** * ********** because ***** ********* ** ************* ******* weapons *** ****** *******?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Donald Maye | 06/28/22 05:09pm

* ** *** * **** ** trust *** ****** ***** ** *** I **** ****** ******* *** ** test **.

* **** **** ****** ******* ******* with ****** ******* *** **** **** at *** **** **** *** * pick ** *** **** *** *** not *** ****** ******.

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Ross Vander Klok

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 04:37pm

***** *****'* *** ****** ****** *** Evolv. ********** **** ****** ****** ***** detectors.

****** *** *********, *******, ***** *******, umbrellas.....

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Undisclosed End User #5

In reply to Undisclosed #2 | 07/05/22 01:00pm

** ** ***** ** * ********** when ** ***** ** **** ** really *** ********** **** ** **** for ********. ** ***** ** ********* can ** *** *** ** *** self. ** ******** **** ******* ***** that *** **** *********** *** ********* but **** *********** *** **********. ** would ** *********** ** *** **** type ** ******** ***** *** ***** when **** *** *********. * *** it *** *** * ***** ****. To ** **** ** * *** issue. ****** **** ** ******** * piece ** ********* ** *** ** issue *** ******* *** ******* **** trained *****. * ** **** **** Evolv ******** ***** **** *** ** its ********* ** ******* *** ********. But * ***** **** ** *** organizations **** *** **** ********* **** regular ******** ** ******* *** ** recognize ******* **** *** **** ** through ** *** ** ****** ****** items **** ****** ***** ******.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed End User #5 | 07/06/22 02:38pm

* ** **** **** ***** ******** scans **** *** ** *** ********* to ******* *** ********.

*** ***** ***** *** *** **** clear ** *** **** **** *** improving ***** ********, ** ***. *** sure, **** *** ***** ********** / analyzing *** ******* ********* **** ****** operators **** ** ****** (******** *****, umbrellas, ***********, *********, ***.). *******, **'** yet ** *** ***** **** ******** claims ***** ***********.

***** *** ***** ***** ****** ******* and *** **** ****** ******** ***** chromebooks, * ***** ******* **** ***** would ** ****** ********* ** ***** this, ** **** *****.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1 | 06/28/22 02:35pm

*** ***** **** *** ******* ** a ******** ***** ********?

* ***** ******** ** $*,*** ** less. ** ***** ****** ** $***,***+ for * *****. ***** ***** ** be ************ ****** ** ******* ****** given *** *****.

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06/30/22 02:53pm

* *** ***** ***** ***** ** down ** **% ***** ***** **** open *** $***** *********. **** **** and ******** ** **** ** * assume **** **** **** **** ******. With ** **** ***** ****** ** they *** ****** ***** ** * reason *** ******** ** **** **** do. * **** *** **** **** accepted ** *** ** *** *** Airport ** **********. ***** ********* *** $5k *** ** ****** ********** *******.

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