False Alarms On Binders And Water Bottles, Admits Evolv School User

Published Jun 28, 2022 13:40 PM

False alarm problem revelations are growing for Evolv, who has repeatedly stressed hiding them, alleging it would endanger security.

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However, a major Evolv customer is having so many false alarms on so many different items, including water bottles and even binders that they made a video trying to explain to students how to handle them.

Inside this note, we examine the school's experience, the problems the school faces, and how this conflicts with Evolv's self-serving determination to hide these problems.

For background, see:

False ****** **** ******

** ***** **, ****, ****** **** School ** *********-*********** ****** (***) ** North ************** ** ************, ** *** ** "****** ** school *** **** ******* *** ***** scanners":

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*** ************ ******** ***** ** ** ************* *****,***** ******* **** ******** ****** ** when ******* ******* *** ***** ******. The ***** ******** ******** ** *** *** **** Times.

**. ******, **** ****** **** ******, explains *** '******** **** *** *** type ** *****' *** ******* ** alarm ** *****, ********* ****** ********* and *****-**** *******:

****** **** ** *** ******** *** Evolv *** **** ***** ** ***** water *******:

**. ****** **** ******** **** ******* these ***** ***** **** **** **** help ********* ************* **** ** ** your ***, ** **** ******, *** in **** *****:

Bypassing ********* ***********

**. ****** ******* * ********** *** students ** ****** ********* ********, ** ensuring ******** **** ****** ******* **** above ***** ***** ********** *** ****** screening *******. ** ***** **** ******** items *** **** *** ******* * false *****.

*******, ********** **** ********** ******* *** school ** * ******** ****. *** example, ******** ** ****** ***** ******** can ****** *********** ********** * ****** ****** * benign ********** ********* *** ******* ** ******.

Chromebook ******** ***

******* *** ******, ******** **** ******, also ***** *** ******* ** ***** false ******** ** ***********. ******** ********* students ** **** ********** ** *** side ** ***** ****** ** ***** a ********* *********.

Evolv ********

***** ********* ** **** ** **** customer ***** ******:

Depending ** *** * ******** ********** *** ******, metal objects that resemble the barrel of a gun may alert. This is intended behavior, as the system is designed to allow the prevention of both guns and gun parts from entering. We work closely with our customers to develop processes to support the quick flow of students without invasive screening, always a marked improvement over metal detectors. Our Cortex AI**continues ** ***** *** ******* **** ***** ******** ****** ********* *******. [emphasis added]

*** ************* **** ******* ***** ******** *********** ******* **** (***** Evolv ***** **** *** ******)**** ******* * ******** ******* ******* more ******* *** ********** **** ***** alerts.

***** ***** **** **** ******** ** "learn *** *******", *** ******* ***** not ***** *** ******** ******** ** such ****** ************, ********** *********** ****:

***** *** *** ******. *** *** find *** *********** ***** *** ******** over *** ***** ** ***press *** **** ******** ** *** *******. After each release we provide training to our customers and partners.

** ******* ***** ***** ******* ******* and ***** ** *********** ** *** the ****** *** ******** ** *** false ******** ** ***** ****** *******.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg ******* - "******" ***** ****

***** ***, ***** ******, ********* * "record" **** **** **** ****** ******** Charlotte-Mecklenburg ******* (***) ****** ** ******** call **** *****, ***** $*.**:

* ********* **** *********** **********it *** * ****** for us right? The **** *** * $*.* ******* ****. It was 52 systems. And we got those systems deployed in three weeks and got those kids safe going to school 150,000 of them in the district. So really, really happy about that.

**** ********* ** *** **** *** 42 ******* **** *********:

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Operational ********

*** ******** ** ***** *********** ******** risks ****** *********** *** ***** ** using ***** *******, ** ******** *** staff ************ ******** ***** ******. **** risks ******* ** **** ***** *** system ** ******** ****** ******** ******** with **** ** **** *******, ******** it ** *** ******* ***** *****.

Comments (35)
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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

** ***** * ******* ** **** setting **** *** ******* *** ***** units **?

* **** ** **** **** **** our **-***** **** ****.

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Donald Maye
Jun 28, 2022

** **** ****** ** ********* *** setting ****** **** ****** ****.

*******, ********** ** * ******** *** ****** that **** ******* "*"

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

**’* ***** **** ** ****** **** setting ** ** ***** **** **** been ** **** **** **** ****** this ****. * ** ***** ** run ***** ******* ****** *** **** and *** ** ** *** *** same *******.

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John Honovich
Jun 28, 2022
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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

* ** ***** ** **** **** and **** ** * *** *** same *******.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

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John Honovich
Jun 28, 2022
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**** ********! ** ****'* ***** ** at *** ******? **'* *****'* ******-******* customer ** ****** ***** *** ********. The ************ *** **** * ****** ago *****? **'* ***** *********.

** **** ***** ** *********** ** respond, **** ********* *** *** *** dispute ** ******* **** *** ******'* video. *** ** **** ****** **** alarming ** * **** ******* *** water *******?

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Undisclosed #3
Jun 28, 2022

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****, ****?

* * **** ****** ****** ***** time ** * -****** *** **** **** * ****** **** *** * **** ****** doesn't ***** ** *?

**** ***** **** ***** ** **.

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Undisclosed #2
Jun 28, 2022

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

*** ****** **** ******** ***** **** the ******** *******. ** **** *** go ****** **** * *** ** puts * *** ****** *** *** and *** *** * **** ******.

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Undisclosed #3
Jun 28, 2022

** **** *** ** ****** **** a *** ** **** * *** around *** *** *** *** *** 3 **** ******.

** ***** ********************* ** ***** ** **** ****** to ** * *** *** ******* everything **** **** ***** **** ** a ***?

******. * **** ********** ****** ****** again, ****'* *?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

** *** **** ****** **** * real **** *** *** * **** binder ** ******* **** **** *** not *** * **** ******.

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Undisclosed #3
Jun 28, 2022

*** ***** * **** ****, ** umbrella, * ***** ***** ****** *** a **********?

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John Honovich
Jun 28, 2022
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#*, ******* ********,**** *****'* **** ******:

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** *** **** ************ ****** *******? And, ** **, **** *** ******* performance **** ** ** ** ***?

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Undisclosed #3
Jun 28, 2022

******* ****** ******** *** #*:

*** **** ** ***** ** * 3 **** ****** ****?

****** ** ******* ********:

*** **** ** ****** *** * ring ****** ** ***** *** *** or **** **** *******?

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Donald Maye
Jun 28, 2022

**’* ***** **** ** ****** **** setting ** ** ***** **** **** been ** **** **** **** ****** this ****.

** ***** ******** ****** ** ** Illinois ****** ******** *** "********* **** and ****" ** ***** ******** **** will ****** ***** ******. *** '*********' part ***** **** ******* ***** ** guns **** ** ****** ** *****:

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Undisclosed #2
Jun 28, 2022

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* *** *** ***** ***** **** a ******* .*** *** ***** ** in **** * ****** ** **** in *** ** ***** ***** ****** diversion *****.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

*** ***** **** *** ******* ** a ******** ***** ********? ***** **** I **** **** ***** ********* ** use ********* **** **** ***** ** passed ****** *** ***** ******** *** a ***** ** **** **.

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Undisclosed #2
Jun 28, 2022

*** ***** ****** ** *** **** the ****** ***** *** ****** ** the ******* *** ******** *** *******, they **** *** **** **** ******* and **** ** *** ***** ** detect *** *******. ** *** ***** inspected *** ***** ****** **** ***** probably ** **** ** **** **** it ****** *** ** **** *** and ******** ******** ** ****** ******.

* ***** **** *** *** ****** is **** *** *** ********** ***** detector *** ********* ******* ***** **** better ****?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

* **** ******* ****** **** ********* get **** **** **** ***** *******. Hand **** ** ** ****** *** they ** ****** *** ***** ********. Human ***** ****** *** **** ******** and **** *** ****.

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Undisclosed #2
Jun 28, 2022

*** *** ** ***** **** ********** can *** **** **** ****** ******* with *** ***** *****. *** ***** point ** ***** *** ** **** these ********* **** ***** ******.

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John Honovich
Jun 28, 2022
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** **** ******* **** * *** in * ******, **. ****** **** be **** ***********!

[****: **** ** * ****, **'* Evolv's *****.]

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

*** ***** **** *** *** ****** any **** ** **** **** *** testing.

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Undisclosed #2
Jun 28, 2022

* ***** ***** ******** ******'* **** the *** ******.

**** ***** **** ** **** **** the *** ** **** *** ***** are ****** ** ********* **** ****** procedures ****** ****** ** ****** ** not **** *** *** ******* *********.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

***** *****'* *** ****** ****** *** Evolv. ********** **** ****** ****** ***** detectors.

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John Honovich
Jun 28, 2022
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********** **** ******

** *** ****'* ***** *** ***** in **** ****** ** ***? *** end ***** *** ********* ******** ******** to **** ***** ***** ***** ***** the ********* ***** ** *** ***** system.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

******* * *-**** ****** ***** **** head ** ******* * **** *** trigger ** *****.

******* * **** *** ***** **** head **** *** ******* ** ***** setting * **** *** ******* ** alarm.

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Donald Maye
Jun 28, 2022

******* * *-**** ****** ***** **** head ** ******* * **** *** trigger ** *****.

******* * **** *** ***** **** head **** *** ******* ** ***** setting * **** *** ******* ** alarm.

** *** ********** **** ******* ***** above *** **** ** * ********** because ***** ********* ** ************* ******* weapons *** ****** *******?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 28, 2022

* ** *** * **** ** trust *** ****** ***** ** *** I **** ****** ******* *** ** test **.

* **** **** ****** ******* ******* with ****** ******* *** **** **** at *** **** **** *** * pick ** *** **** *** *** not *** ****** ******.

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Ross Vander Klok
Jun 28, 2022
IPVMU Certified

***** *****'* *** ****** ****** *** Evolv. ********** **** ****** ****** ***** detectors.

****** *** *********, *******, ***** *******, umbrellas.....

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Undisclosed End User #5
Jul 05, 2022

** ** ***** ** * ********** when ** ***** ** **** ** really *** ********** **** ** **** for ********. ** ***** ** ********* can ** *** *** ** *** self. ** ******** **** ******* ***** that *** **** *********** *** ********* but **** *********** *** **********. ** would ** *********** ** *** **** type ** ******** ***** *** ***** when **** *** *********. * *** it *** *** * ***** ****. To ** **** ** * *** issue. ****** **** ** ******** * piece ** ********* ** *** ** issue *** ******* *** ******* **** trained *****. * ** **** **** Evolv ******** ***** **** *** ** its ********* ** ******* *** ********. But * ***** **** ** *** organizations **** *** **** ********* **** regular ******** ** ******* *** ** recognize ******* **** *** **** ** through ** *** ** ****** ****** items **** ****** ***** ******.

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John Honovich
Jul 06, 2022
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* ** **** **** ***** ******** scans **** *** ** *** ********* to ******* *** ********.

*** ***** ***** *** *** **** clear ** *** **** **** *** improving ***** ********, ** ***. *** sure, **** *** ***** ********** / analyzing *** ******* ********* **** ****** operators **** ** ****** (******** *****, umbrellas, ***********, *********, ***.). *******, **'** yet ** *** ***** **** ******** claims ***** ***********.

***** *** ***** ***** ****** ******* and *** **** ****** ******** ***** chromebooks, * ***** ******* **** ***** would ** ****** ********* ** ***** this, ** **** *****.

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John Honovich
Jun 28, 2022
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*** ***** **** *** ******* ** a ******** ***** ********?

* ***** ******** ** $*,*** ** less. ** ***** ****** ** $***,***+ for * *****. ***** ***** ** be ************ ****** ** ******* ****** given *** *****.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
Jun 30, 2022

* *** ***** ***** ***** ** down ** **% ***** ***** **** open *** $***** *********. **** **** and ******** ** **** ** * assume **** **** **** **** ******. With ** **** ***** ****** ** they *** ****** ***** ** * reason *** ******** ** **** **** do. * **** *** **** **** accepted ** *** ** *** *** Airport ** **********. ***** ********* *** $5k *** ** ****** ********** *******.

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Nikita Ermolaev
Apr 05, 2024
IPVMU Certified

*******: ** ******** ***** **** * neighboring ****** ******** *****' *** ***** ************ **** ***** ******* **** ******** with ***** ****** ** ******* *** other *****.

** ** ***** ** *******, * school ********* **** **** ** "hurts ** **** to have to tell kids or teachers that certain supplies can't be used because the scanners mistake them for weapons" [emphasis added], as shown below:

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