Most Disrespected Manufacturer Competitors

Author: John Honovich, Published on Jun 01, 2017

Manufacturers told IPVM what competitor they most disrespected.

There was one overwhelming selection that manufacturers felt was harming the industry.

Inside this post, we share the results of the survey and detailed color commentary. (Contrast to the manufacturer most respected results).

************* **** **** **** ********** **** **** ************.

***** *** *** ************ ********* **** ************* **** *** ******* the ********.

****** **** ****, ** ***** *** ******* ** *** ****** and ******** ***** **********. (******** ***** ************ **** ********* *******).

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Ranking ******

********* ******** **** **** **** ** *** ************ ********** **** Dahua * **** ******** ****** *** ** ********** ***** ***** finisher.

#1 *********

************ *********** ******* ** *** *****-******* ****** ** '**** ** the ******', ********* *** ********** *********.

Race ** *** ******

*** **** ****** ************ ******** *** ***** *** **** ** the ****** / ***** ****:

  • "*********! **** *** *** ******* ** *** **** ** *** bottom *** **** ********* *** ***** ** *** ********."
  • "********* - *** ** ***** ********* *** ***** ******* - "the **** ** *** ****** ** *****""
  • "*********. ***** ***, *** ******** ******* ***** ** *******, *** just ******* ****** ** *********."
  • "*********. **** *** ************ ** ********* *** ****** ***** ******** video ******** ******** *** *** *** *********** *** "**** ** the ******"."
  • "*********, *** ******* ***** ***, ****** **** ***** * ** profit ***."
  • "*********, **** ************ *** ************ ********."
  • "*********. ***** **** **** "**** ******" ******** ** **** *****, they **** *********** ** ******* *** ******* **** *** ********* mindset ** *****, *** ***** ****, ****** *********."

*** **** **** ********* *** ****** *** ******** ***** *** frequently ******.

Subsidies / *****

******* ** **** *** ************'* ***** **** ********* **** ********* / ******* ****** ********* ** **** ************* ***** ****:

  • "********* **** ********** ***** ********* *** **** ** ********** *** industry."
  • "*********. ****** *********** *** ** ******* *******/****** ******* ** ** either ********** ***** ** ******** ** ******** (***) *** ********** low ******* ******* ** ***** ******* ** ****** ******* ***** made ************ ** ********** *********"
  • "*********. ***-**** ****** *******. ***** *******."
  • "* ********** **** *** *** **** **** **** **** ** the ***********. **** **** ****** ********* *** ***** ******** ******** through ********* ******** ** *** ******* **********."
  • "**** ******* * ********* ******* **-**-****** ******** (********* **** ******* of ******* ********** ***********) **** ****** ******* ********* ** ***** dramatically ******* ******* ***** ***** ** **** *** ************* ********** and ************ ******."

Government *********

*********'* ***** ********** ************ ***** ** **** *********, ********* * ****** ** ***** where ** *** ******* ** *** **********'* *********:

  • "*********; ******* **********-***** *** **** ******** ******* *** ****** ******** their ************* *****."
  • "*********- * ** ******* ********* ***** ********** *********. * ** sure **** **** ***** ***** ******** **** ***** ****** **** were ***** *** ** **"
  • "*********. **** **** ********* *** *********** **** *** ******* ** a ********* ******* **********. ********, **** ********** ****** ******** *** western ********* ** *******. ** *******'* ** ******* *** *** most ***** ****."
  • "********* ******* **** **** ** ****** *********** ********* **** ***** government *********."

Lack ** ************

** ******** ** ************* ********** **** ********* *** **** ** the ********* *** ************ *******. **********, ** **** *** *****, is ***** * *** ** **** ******* / ***** **** competitors. ** *** ********, *** *** ************ *********** *** **** of ********** ************* **** *********:

"** * *** ***** *******, * ** ******* **** **** of *** ****** ************* ** *******. ***** *** * ***** hear **** ********* ***** **** ** ******* ** ********."

**** ** ********* *** ********** ** **** ** ***** '******' manufacturers ** ******* **** **** ***** *** **** / *** but *** ***** ** **** ********* *************** *** **** **** in *** ***** *** ** *** ****** ***** ********* *** been ********* ******* ***** *** **** *** **** ********* **** eliminates *** **** ** *** ********.

Distant ****** *****

***** *** * *** ******* ******* **** **** ** ***** mentions ***** ****** ***** ***** *********, *.*.:

  • "********* *** *****. ****...."
  • "********* / *****. ******..."
  • "***** *** ********* , ****..."
  • "** ******* : ***** & *********..."

*** * *** ****** ***** *****'* ******** *********:

"***** - **** ******* ** ********* ******** *********. ******, **** are ****** ******* **** **** ** *** * ********* ** the ******"

"***** ** ******* *** ******** ****** *** *** ******** ***** everyone ***** *** ***"

Risks ** *********

****** ** **** *********** ********** **** ** * ***** **** to *********. ******* ***********, ** ***** ******* *** *** **** travels ** **** *** **** *** *********. ********* ** ********** huge *** *** *** ***** ************* *** ******** *** ***** vastly ****** **** *********, ********** ******* ** *****. ***** ** disrespected ***** **** ***** *********** *** *** **** ****** ** speak ********** ** **** **** ******* ********* ***** *******.

** ******, *********'* *********** **** ***** *** ***** *****.

Risks ** *********'* ***********

*********'* *********** *** ** ***** **** ********* ******* ** *** Chinese ********** ********* *** ** *** ***** ***********, ******** ***** competitors. ** *** *********** *** ***** ** ** ***** *** Hikvision ** **** ** ********** ********* **** ******** *** **** enough **** *** *********** *** ****** *** ** *** *******.

*********, ********* *** ******* ***** ******* ** *********** ***** ******* and ****** ** ********* ***, ******, **** ***. *** *** or ****** ********* ******* ** *** **** ***** *********** ** potential ********? **** ** ** ************ ********* ******** ** ********* tries ** **** ** ****** *************** ***** ******* ******** ** far **** *********** *** ******* *********.

Comments (52)

Undisclosed #1

06/01/17 07:36pm

**** *** ***** ****? ** ****** *** * ****** ** vote ** ****** *******, *** *******.

Undisclosed Integrator #3

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/01/17 07:58pm

** ** *** ** **** ******* ******* ** ***** ***** I **** * ********* *** ******* ***** ****** **** ******. Hik *** ***** *** ********* ********** ** *** ************ ******. Who ** ********** ** **** ****** ** *** **** ***** that ** ***** ******** ******** **** **** ********** ***** ** a ******?

Undisclosed Integrator #5

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #3 | 06/01/17 08:29pm

*****... *** **** *** *********** **** ***** *** **** ***** with "***** ******** *******".

Undisclosed Integrator #3

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #5 | 06/01/17 09:26pm

*************, * **. * ** ********** ** ** ***** *** to **** **** ****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #5 | 06/01/17 10:33pm

*** **** *** *********** **** ***** *** **** ***** **** "Lenel ******** *******".

***, *.*.,***** ******** *****, ***** **** *** ****,***** ****** ******* ****. *******, **** ****** *** *** *************, *** *********** ** end *****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/01/17 10:33pm

** ****** *** * ****** ** **** ** ****** *******

**, ****** *** * ****** ** **** ** ****** ******* though ***** *** **** ************ ********* ** ***** ******* *** more ** **** ** **** **** ****** ******* ****.

* ** *** **** *** ****** ************ ********* ***** ** especially ***** ** ******** ******* ****** *************.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #2

06/01/17 07:49pm

** ********* ***** **...

Undisclosed End User #4

06/01/17 08:07pm

[**** ****: ****** ** ******, *** *** ********** **** *************** including **** *** *****.]

*** ** *********** ******* ********** **** ******, **** ************* ****, these ***** ********* ************* *** ***** ** ****** ** **** quality: *) ****, *) *********, *) *****.

*'* *** **** ******* ***** ****** *********** ** *************** ***/** backdoors, *'* ******* ***** *** ***** ********** ***** *********** **** of **** ************ ********. ***** *** ** **** **** ************* GNU ******* ****** *******.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

In reply to Undisclosed End User #4 | 06/01/17 11:50pm

** **** ** *** **************** ****** ***** *** *** ******* * ******* ******** ** explain **** ** ********. ** ***** ****** ** ** **** ************** *** *** to ** ******** **** * ************.

*** **** ** *** **** **** ** *** **** ** read ****** *****! **** **** ***** **** **********.

*** ****** ***** **** * ******** ****** *** ***** ***** manufacturer ***** ***** *********! *********, ***** ** **** * ***!

******** *** *** ********* ** * ***** *****.

**** **** ** ****** ** *** ****, **** *** ***** a ******* *** ******, **** ***** *******. **** ** *** spirit ** ***.

* ***** **** *** ***** ** *** ********* ** ***** unacceptable.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 06/02/17 01:21am

#*, ****** *** *******. *** **** **** ** ** ***** to **** ****** **** *** $**:

** **** ******* *** **** *** ****** **** ** *** software ******** ***** ******* ******* ** *** **** ** * written ******* ** **** ** ***** ** *** ********* *********:

****@******.***

********* *** **** ** *** ******* *** *** ******** ******* for ***** *** **** *** ****** **** *** ********** *** we *** ******* ***.

****** **** **** ** **** *** *** ** *** ** US $ **, *** *** ***** ********. **** ***** ** valid *** ***** ***** **** *** ****** ** *********** *** product.

Undisclosed End User #4

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 06/02/17 05:14pm

******* ***** **** ***!

Undisclosed Integrator #5

In reply to Undisclosed End User #4 | 06/03/17 05:04am

*** ******. ** ** *********** ********** **** ** *** *******'* communities **** ** ** ******* ** ***** *** *******? ********** I **** **** **** *** **** **** *** * **** of ****** ** *** ******* *** ******** ***** ****** **** space.

Undisclosed End User #4

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #5 | 06/03/17 07:46pm

***** ********, * *** **** ****** *** ******, *** * don't *** *** ****** **********.

Undisclosed Integrator #5

In reply to Undisclosed End User #4 | 06/04/17 08:18pm

**** ** ****. ****** *** **** ***** **** * ***** question. ***** **** ** ************ ** **** *** *** ******* is **** **** ** *** **** ********* **** **** ** Cameras *** ***** ** ** "********** ** ****...".

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Tony Lagan

06/02/17 01:28am

** ********* *** ***** **** *** **** ************* *** *** negative *********?

** ***** ** *********** ** *** **** *** **** ***** other ************* ** * ** **** ***** **** ****** **** were **********.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Tony Lagan | 06/02/17 02:05am

** ********* *** ***** **** *** **** ************* *** *** negative *********?

**, ***** **** * ****** ** ***** ******** ********* *** as ********* ** *** ******, "** ********** ***** ***** ********", ******* **** ** *** ***** negative ********* **** **** ********* **** ** **** ********* **** there *** ** ***** ** ******.

** *** **** *** ******** ******** ** ******* ********* ********* ******* / ******** ****' *********, ****** *****:

**** ** *** ************ ******* , **** **** *** *** material ******. ** *** ** *********** ******** *****, ***** ** share *****:

****. **** ******** ** *** ******. **** ******* ******* ** end ***** *** ** *** ***** ********** ** ************ ** make ******* *******. ***** (****'* ******* *********** ** *********) **** and ******* ** *% ***** ****** **** **** ***** ** just *** ****** *** * ***** *** ***** ** ******* profitability. *** ************ **** ******* ** *** **% ***** ******** are ******** *** *** **** ****** *** ***** ********.

** ***** ** ***** **********, ***** ** ***** *** ***** was **** *** ******** *** ******* *** ** *** ** interesting ********* ***-*********:

*******. *** **** ********* ** ** ** *** ****. *** now *** - *** *** **** **** **** ***. ** is ******** **** *** **, ******* ****** *** ** **** close **** ***** *******.

**** ***** ****.

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Tony Lagan

In reply to John Honovich | 06/02/17 02:31am

****** ****.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | 06/02/17 03:02pm

********, * *** **** ***** ********* **. **** ***** * said ** ******* ********** ******, "** *** **** ******* *********** off, *** **** ***** ********* *****"

** **** ******** **** * ******* ************ ***********, ** *** of *** ******* ************* ***** **** **** ********** *********, * can **** *** ***** ****** **. **** *** *** **** just ******* **** **** ** **** **** ** ********, *** I *** **** *** **** ***** ******* ************ *** *** great ******* *** *********. *** *** **** ******* *** **** to ****. **** **** *** ******* ***** ******** "**** ****** does ****, **** **** *********" "** *** ****** *, **** behind ***** *** *********" "**** ****** ******* **** *********" *** etc. ** ***** *****, ********* *** ****** *** *** *** everyone **** ** **** ** ****** ** ***** ****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/02/17 03:06pm

* *** **** ***** ********* **

*****, * ** *** ****.

*************, ~* ***** ***** ** ******** **** ****, ********* ************ ******* **** ** *, ** ********* ********** ** ***** *** ****** ***** ****.

Undisclosed #7

In reply to John Honovich | 06/02/17 03:56pm

$** **** ********* *********** *** ****** ** ** *** *** ****** *** ******* by ***** *** ****** ************* ******.

** ******* ** **** **** - **** '******** ******* ******' and '*** *******' **** ** ********* ********** **********.

** ******* ** ***'* ******* ******** ** ******* ******* *********** (direct *** ***) **** ***** ******** ***** *** ****.

** ******* ** *** ** '*** ********' ******** ********** ** Hik, ******* ********** *** ******** ** ***** ** '*** ********' lack ** ************* **: ****** ************* ******* *** ***** *** N *******.

****** ******** ************** ******** ******.

*** ********* * ***** ****: *** *** ** ********** ***** like '*** *******' **** * *** ****** **** *** *** also * *******. **** *****'... :)

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #7 | 06/05/17 01:28pm

$** **** ********* *********** *** ****** ** ** *** *** ****** *** ******* by ***** *** ****** ************* ******.

** *** **** ** ** *********, ****'* *** ****.

****, **** ****** **** ********* ******** *** ** ******* ********** press ********, *** * ** ** ******.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/02/17 03:56pm

[****: ************ **** *****]

***** ** ** ************ *** ****** ****. **** **** **** lost ***** ******** **** ***** ******* *** ***** ** ******* against *********** *** **********. *** * ** ** *** *** somwhat **** ******. **** **** *** **** *** **** ***** hikvision ******* **'* *** **** ******* ** * ********* ** China *** ****** ***. ******* ** ******. ********** ** ******** a ********** ** ****** ** *** **** ** *** ****** is *** ********.

*** **** ** *** ***** *** ***** ** ****** ****** in ***** ** ******** ******. ***** **** * ***** ***** they *** *** ****** ********* **** **'* *** * **********.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 06/02/17 04:13pm

* **** ** ******* *** *** **** *****. **** *** not **** *** *** *** **** ******* *********, *** **** surely **. **** *** **** *** **** **** *********, *** the ***** ** ******* ** ******* *****. *** **** **** companies ***** **** **** ** ** *** ** **** *********. Then *** **** **** ********* *** *** *** ** *** to **** ********* *** **** ******* **** **** ** * standard ** ** *** **, *** *** **** ******* **** clearly ****** *** ***** ***'* *** **** ****** *******. **** you **** *** ******* ********* *** *** ****** *** ******* than *********, ****** **** **** *** ***** **** ** "** have **** ******* ** ********* *** **** *******" ** ***** words, ********* ** *** ******** ** *****. **** ****** *** bar, ***** ***** ******* ******** **** *** ***** ** **** a *** ** ***** **, ** **** **.

Josh Bylsma

BLUEmark Technologies | In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/02/17 07:13pm

**** - * ***** *** ****-********** *** **** ******* (********** of*******). ** *** **** ** "****" ***, ** *** ******, is *** ********** ** *******.

*** **** ** ******* *** *** (*** ***** *** **** options) **** **** ****** **** ****** ******* *** ****** **** on *****. *** ********* *** *** *** ** *** ******** has *********** ****** *** ********* *** *************** **** **** *** prevalent ** ****** ********. * **** ****** *******, *********** ***** industry ** *** ******** * ************, ******** ******.

*** ** *** ** *** ** ******* ***, * **** took ***** ** **** * ***. *, **** **** ****** in *** ********, **** ************ **** *** ****** ** ***** and ********** *** *********** ** ******** ********. ******** ************ ** meet ******** ***** *** ******* *********** *** ******** ************. **** the ******** ** ***, *** **** **** ** ****** *** 'trunk ********', *** ***** ** **** ** **** ******* ** gone.

****** **** ** ****** ******* *** *** ****** ** "**********". IPVM *** **** * **** *** ** ************ **** *******, and **** **********, *****.

* ********** **** *** ***** ***** **** **** ** * good ***** *** * ******* *********** ** ******** ******, ******* we *** ******* ***** ********, *** **** ******. *** **** nature ** *** ******** ******** ** ***** ** ****, ******* integrity *** ***************.

** ********, *** *** ******** ** ***** *** ********* ********** that *** ******* ** *** ******** ******. ***** **** *** be *******, *** *** ****** *** ** ******* ******** *** making ***** *** ****, * ****** ***, *** *** * minority.

*** ***** ****** ** *********** * **** ****** **** *** over *** ****** ****** *** ******, **** ***** *****, ******** operations ** ****** ************* **** **** *** **** *****, "** hate ***, ** **** **** **** *** ***** *** ** hate **** ** **** ** *** ****".

*** *** *** ***** ******** ** *** ******, ******* **** have ***** **** ****. **** *** ****** ****** ****** ***** through ********** ******* *** *** ******** ** ***** ******** ******* OEM *** ***-**** ********.

Undisclosed #7

In reply to Josh Bylsma | 06/02/17 07:44pm

******* ********....

Do *** **** *** ****** ** ** *** **** *** ****?

** *** * ******** ****** ******* ****** ** ****** ********** enough *** * ******* **** ********* ** **** ********* ** the ******* *****.... **'* **** *** ** (*** * ** no *** *********; *'** ******* ******* ** *** ***** **** times ** ***********) ** ***** *** ****** *** ******** *** the ****** *************** *** ********** **** * **** ** ********** on *** ****** ********** ** ***** *** *********.

******** **********. :)

Josh Bylsma

BLUEmark Technologies | In reply to Undisclosed #7 | 06/02/17 08:36pm

***** ******** *** *********** ***********.

*** *******:

*. **** *** ******: ** **** **** **** ** ********* for ****. **** ** ********** ***** ** **** **** "**** sell ***" **** *** **** ************ *** ******* ** ********** to *** ****** ******** ******* ** ***. ******* ** ******* the ***, ********* *********, *** ******* **** ** ***** ** be ** "**********", ** **** **** *** ***** ** **** over ** *****. ******* ** ******* *** *** *** ****** value.

*. **** *** ****: *** *** ****** ***** *** **** the ***. **** **** ********* **** ******* (**** ** ***** perspective) *** **** ****** **** **** *** ****** ******* **** concessions. ****, * *******, *** ******* **** ** ***** *** security ****** **** ***** *** **** **** ********* ** ***** manufactures.

(**** ****** ** * ********** **** ****** ** *** ** products, ****** *** **** **** ***** *** **** **** *****, "how ** *** ****** ** ** ******* ** * ********". Told *** ** *** *** * *** *** ***... ** switched ** ***)

**********: ** ****, *** ******** ** ***** *** ** ***** the ******. **** ************ *** *********** *** ******** ** *** "enough, *** ***** ** **** ** ***** *****" *** **-***** on *****.

** **** ** *********** ** *** ** ***** ** * major ***** **** ** **** *****. ***** ***, *** ******** is ********.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Josh Bylsma | 06/02/17 09:43pm

** ** *** ****** ***** **** ****** *** ********* ***. I **** ** ***** **** ***** *** *********** **** **** Hik. * **** **** ** ***** ***** *** ************* **** hate ***. * *** ******** ******** ***** ******* *************.

*** ***** ****** ** *********** * **** ****** **** *** over *** ****** ****** *** ******, **** ***** *****, ******** operations ** ****** ************* **** **** *** **** *****, "** hate ***, ** **** **** **** *** ***** *** ** hate **** ** **** ** *** ****".

**** ******* ** **** *** *** *** *** ********* ********. What * *** ** *** ****** *** *** "** **** that ** **** ** *** ****". ******: **** *** ****. I ***** **** *** **** ******* ************** **** **** **** **** ** *** ****? *************** *** * **** ******* *** * **** *** ***** than **** *** ***** **** ****** *** ******* *** *** performs **** ** ****. * ***** * **** ******** ********* from **** **** ** ****** ** "* **** **** * cant **** *** **** ****** ** ******* **** * ***** off ** ** **** ***** *********" ******* ********, ** *** truely ***** *** ********* **** **********, **** ***** ******** ********* with ********.

*** *** *** ***** ******** ** *** ******, ******* **** have ***** **** ****. **** *** ****** ****** ****** ***** through ********** ******* *** *** ******** ** ***** ******** ******* OEM *** ***-**** ********.

******* ******** **** * ***** ** **** **** ** ********** that ** **** ** ******* **** ***** ********* **** ***** 4-5x **** **** *********, * *** *** *** ******* ***** feel **** ***. *** ******** **** ** *** **** *********** that *** *** ****** **** ********** ******** ******** ** * reasonable ***** *** ******** **** *** *********** ** *** *********** who *** ***** **** *** ***** **** ****** *******, *** opposite ** ****.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #9

In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/03/17 04:35pm

** ***** ** ** **** *** *** ********** **** *** only *** **** *** **** ********* ** *** ****** ************ allowed *** ********** ** *** ******* **********, ******* ****** ** it *** ****** ***** ********** *** ***** ** ******* ** it, *** ********* ************** ** *** ******* **********, ******** ** any *************, ** ****** *** ******, ** ***** *** **** of **** ******* ****** **** ***** ************ ** ***** ** avoid *** ******* **** **** *** ***** ** *** **** powerful ********* ****** ** *** ****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #9 | 06/03/17 05:00pm

************** ** *** ******* **********, ******** ** *** *************, ** matter *** ******, ** ***** *** **** ** **** ******* deeper **** ***** ************ ** ***** ** ***** *** ******* that **** *** ***** ** *** **** ******** ********* ****** of *** ****.

* ****** ***** ****'* ** ****** *** ************* *********** ** Hikvision **********.

* *** **** **** ******** ******* *** ****** ***** *** more ***** *** ****** ******** ******** ** ******* ********* ******** than *** **** **** ******** ********* *** ******** ****** ********. Indeed, * ***** ***** **** ** * **** ******** ********, for ****** ** *****.

Josh Bylsma

BLUEmark Technologies | In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/05/17 12:39pm

**** ******* ** **** *** *** *** *** ********* ********.

***** ************* **** **** ** ******, ****-**-**** *** *** ********** with ****. **** *** **** ** *****, * **** ****** in **** ***** ***** *** *** **** ****** **** ** an ********** *** ******* *** ******* ************.

* ** ***** **** *** *********.. "***'* *** ****".* **** ******* ** *** **** *********** ****** **** **** win ** ***** ***** ********, *** **** ** * ************, long **** ************ ***** *****.

... ***** **** ****** *******...

*** *** **** ** **** ************, ****** ** ********* **** margin *******. ****** ** ****** *** ********** ** *** **** that ** ******, ******* ****** ******* ** *** ****** ****** money **** ** ****** ** ********. *******: $*** ****** **** 30% ****** = $**.** ** ******. ** ******** * $*** camera **** **% ****** = $**.** (**** **** ******) ** profit *******. **** ******* *** *** **** ******, **** *** mean *** *** **** ******.

***** ** * *** ** **** ***** **** ***** ** discussed. *** ****** *******, ***** ***** ******. ** *********** **** make ** ***** ****** ** ***** ******... * *******. * believe **** ****** * ******** ****** ** **** *** ***** was *** * *** ** ******** (**********).

***** *** **** *** **** ******** ** **, *********** ****** as ** *** **** ****** ******** ** ***'* ********. ********** subsidizes, *** *** ** * **** ****** ******, ************* ********* that ****** *** ***** ******* ** **** ** ************* *****, etc. ***** ** *** ** ********* ** ***** *** *** some ** ***** ******, ***** ** * *** ** *****, and **** ***** ** *****, ***** ** ****.

***** *** *** * ** *** *** ***-**-*** ** ***, I ** ********** **** **** ********. ** **** *** '***-****' take * ************ ******** ** ********* ***** ********... ***** *** only **** ** **** ***'* ******* **********.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/02/17 09:12pm

**** *** *** **** *** *** *** **** ******* *********, but **** ****** **.

** **** ********, * ***** *** *** ***-************* **, ** least, ******** * ***** ******** ********** ** *******.

**** *** **** *** **** **** *********, *** *** ***** of ******* ** ******* *****.

**** **** *****, * ***** ***** **** ********* '********' **** since **** ****** ** *********. *** '*******' **** ******** ***** '************************************', ***** ******* ********* **** *** **** ***** ****. **** 'respect' ** ** *** ****** **** **** ********* *** ********* but ****'* *** ****** **** **** ****** **** **** **** say *** **** '*******.'

* ** ***** **** **** **** ********** ***** **** *********** think ********* ** ******** *** ***********, ** **** **** *** to *******, ********, ****, *****, ***. *********.

Undisclosed #9

In reply to Sean Nelson | 06/03/17 01:04pm

"******* *** ***" = ***** ********** ***** *** ***** ** penetrate ******* *** **** *********** ***.

**** ***, **** **** ****** *** ***.

Undisclosed Integrator #8

06/02/17 09:27pm

* ******* **** ********* **** ** ********* *** ******* ******** else ********, ***** ** ******.

********, * ******* **** **** ***** * '****** *******' *** entire ******* **********, ********** ******** **** ** ******** *** *** people, *** ******* ** *** ** *** **** ******* ******* that ****** *** ** **** **** ******* ********. *** *** just ********* *** *** *** ********** ******* ****.

* ****** ** ******** ** ****** ** *** **** ******* has ********* ** ****** ******* **** *** ******* **** **** a ******** ********* **** ***** ******** ** ******** *** **** fuels *** ************ ********** *** *** *******?

** *** **** *********, ** **** ******.

**** * *******...

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #8 | 06/03/17 12:17am

* ******* **** **** ***** * '****** *******' *** ****** Chinese **********

* ******:

(*) *****.

(*) **** *** ******* ******** ** **********? *** ***** **** ****?

(*) **** **** **** ******* **** ** ** **** ************* overwhelmingly ******** ********* ** *** ********** **** **** **********?

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Joseph Hirasawa

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #8 | 06/05/17 01:22am

* ******* **** **** ***** * '****** *******' *** ****** Chinese **********, ********** ******** **** ** ******** *** *** ******, the ******* ** *** ** *** **** ******* ******* **** supply *** ** **** **** ******* ********

**** ***, **** *********.

********: "* ***** **** *** *** ***** ** ***** ******* ** these ******. **** ** *** **** ** *** ** **** matter?."
*******: "**....****, **** ***** *** **** ** *** *** ******** ** a ******** *****! ******* ** ****, *** *** *****! **** question!"

*** ******* **, ******* ***'* **** *** ****. ******, *** your *** *** ********** ** & **** **** ** **** a ************, ***** ******* ** *****.

Josh Bylsma

BLUEmark Technologies | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #8 | 06/05/17 12:52pm

* ** ***** ** ****** **** *** *** *** ** IPVM *** **** **** ******* ******* ***** *** ****** ******/*******/************* reports ** ***. ***** ** ** **** **** **** ****** a ***** ****** *** ********* ** *** **** ******* *********** gimiks, ***** ****** ** **** ***** ***, ********'* ***** ***** drops, **** **** *** ******, *** ********* ******' *** ***** debate (****)....***, ***. ** ** *** **** *****, **** ***** Canadians, ********* *** *** ****** ** ****.

Undisclosed Integrator #10

06/05/17 12:27pm

*****. ** ****** ** *** ***-*********** *********** ******* *** ** range ** ***'* "******* ***" ********. **** ********* **** **** had **** *** *** ** *** ***** ** ** - then ***** **** *** *** ** ******** **** *** * known ****** ** *** ** ***** **** ***** **** *** disclosed. ***** ****** ******* **** ** ***** * ****.

Josh Bylsma

BLUEmark Technologies | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #10 | 06/05/17 01:49pm

***** *** ** ***** ****** **** ***** *** ****** ** the ******** ** *** ****** ** ****** ***. *** ***** argue **** *** **** **** **** ***** *** **** ****** as * *********** ******* *** **** **** **** *** ** longer * *********** ******. **** *** ******* ****-***** **** ****** acquisition ** *** ********* **** ***********, **** ** ********** *** moving **** **** **** **** **** **** *** ******, **** hurts **** **** *** ****.

*** **** ***** ******* **** *****, ** **** **** */** across *** ******* ***** *** ***** ******-****** ** ***** ******* they ** *** **** ******.

Undisclosed Integrator #11

06/05/17 12:36pm

******!

* **** ******* ** *** ***** *** ***** ***** ** be *** ***** **** ( * ***** ** *****) ** this ****** **********. ********* ******** *** ******* **** ********** ** model *** ***** *** ***** ******** ** *** *********** *** that ** * ****** *****. **** ** ***** ***** ** fame. **** ** ***** ******** ( **** *** *** **** coffers ** *** ******* ********** ****** ********* ** *** ******** of *** ********** *******).. *** ******* ** **** **** ** Capitalism... ****** ***'* ** ? **** ********** **** ******** *** exploited ** * ********* ******!! . ***** ******* *** ********. The ** **** **** ****, ***** *** *** *** ** is *** *******. ***** ** ** ******** **. ** ****** the **** **** ** ** ****** **** **** **** $*** complete **** *** ***** *** ******** ***** ********** **** smartphone *** **** **** ********** ********* *******. *** * smartphone *** ** **** ** *** ****** *** ** ****** does. ****** ** **************. ** *** ** **** ******** . It ** ****** **********, ** ** ***********. *** ***** *** faced **. ***** ********* ******* *** ********** **** ***** *** onslaught ** ********* *** *********** ... *** ******** ******** ( Integrators, *************, ***) ** ** **** ***********. *** ** *** grasping *** *******, *** *********.

* ******* **'* *** **********: ** ** ****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 06/05/17 12:42pm

*** ******* ** **** **** ** **********... ****** ***'* ** ?

**, **'* ********************:

************ ** * **** ********** ***********. *** **** ** ** ****** *** ******* *** ****** and ***** ** *** ******* ******, ** ********* *** ********* as **** ******** ******** ** ******** ****** *** ******'* *******. Manufacturing *** ********, ************ ** ***** **** ******** ************, **** prioritized.

***** ***** *** ************* (**** *********) *** ******* *********** ******** for ******* ************* (****, ********, ***.) **** ********* *** ******** inside *****.

** ****** *** **** **** ** ** ****** **** **** than $*** ******** **** *** ***** *** ******** ***** ********** that

**** ** ** ****** *** **** ***** $*** ** *** the *** **** ****. **** ********* *** **** ******* ** cheaply********** ******* ***** ******* *****, ********* *** ******* ***** ** the ***** *** ****'* *************.

Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to John Honovich | 06/05/17 09:56pm

** *** ******* ***** *** **** ***** ******* ********** *** mercantilism. **** ****** ** *** **** ******: ****** ** *******. Sell **** **** *** ********** ** ** * ****** ** a ***********. ****** ****. *** ******* *** ***** ************ ***** to ******* ***** *****. **** ** ******.

**** * ********** **** **** **** $*** ** *** **** issue ****; *** ***** ** ******* ** ********* *****'* *** with ** *** *** * *****... ********* ** ***** ** at ****. *** ******* ***** **** ********* ** ** ********** to ***** **** *** ***********. ******* *** ************* **** **** mistake *** ****** **** *****-**. ****'** ******* ***** ******.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 06/05/17 10:13pm

** *** ******* ***** *** **** ***** ******* ********** *** mercantilism. **** ****** ** *** **** ******: ****** ** *******.

**, **** *** ***. **** ***** ******** *********** ** ***** ***********.

************ ** ****** ** *** ******* ********* *** ********* ** advantage** *** ********* ***** *******'* *********.

********* ** ***** ** ** ****.

**, ********* *** ** ********* ** ***** **** ** ***** to *****, *********, *******, ***. ***************. ****'* ***** *** ***** are.

*** ***** ** ******* ** ********* *****'* *** **** ** far *** * *****...

***, ******* *** ************* *** *******, *.*., ****, ********, ******, etc. ********'* *** *** **** ******* *** **** ****.

Undisclosed #7

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 06/06/17 12:17am

"** *** ******* ***** *** **** ***** ******* ********** *** mercantilism. **** ****** ** *** **** ******: ****** ** *******."

**** ** ****** *** **** ** *** - ********** *** mercantilism*** *** *** **** ******.

"*** ******* *** ***** ************ ***** ** ******* ***** *****. This ** ******."

*** ******* *** ******** ***** ************** ***** ** ******* ***** goals. ** *****, ****, ******.

Undisclosed #7

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 06/06/17 12:38am

"********* ** ***** ** ** ****.Not ******* ***** **** ********* ** ** ********** ** ***** **** *** ***********. Detroit car manufacturers made that mistake and almost went belly-up. They've learned their lesson."

**** *** *** **** ** *** * ******** ****** *** 1% ** ** **** ********* ** ***** *** **% ** do **** ************ (*** **********). *.*. ***** ******* ** '*****' exists **** ******* ** *** $** ****-****** *** *****, *** not ******* **** ******* '*** ** * ****' ********, **** Apple *** *******.

*** ****** **** ** **** ******* ** ***** ******* - if *** ******* ***** **** *** *** **** ******* ** the * ******** ****** **** *********** *** ***'* ******** **** doing **? *** *** ******* **** **** **** ******* **** everyone ****?

****, **** ******* ********* ******** ******* ** *** ********* ********* it.

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Mick Brown

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 06/05/17 02:03pm

** **** *** ******** ** *** *** *** ***** ********** here ** ******

*** *** ******** ****** ** ********** ** ** ****** **** will ** ****

** *** ***** *** ***** ******** ******

******* *** ********* ******** *** ******** *** ******

Undisclosed Integrator #10

06/05/17 12:50pm

******** ** ****** ********* - * ****** *** * * US ************ *** ******** ******* ******** ** ** **** ** China. **** *** **** ** **** ******** *** ** *** no ********* ** ********* ******** *** ** ** ** ********** and ******** **** ***** ** ****** **.

***** ******* ********* * ***** ********* ******* ***** *** **** branded *** **** ** *** ** ************.

**** *******, ****** ****** ***** ******** *** ** ************* **** - *** *** ***** ** ***** * ******* ** **** on ****.

* ***** **** ***** *** **** **** ********** ** ************ uses ****** ******* ** *** ** **** * ***** ***** country ** **** **** **** $'*.

****** *** ***** ****** **** ** **** **** ********* *********.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #10 | 06/05/17 12:54pm

**** *******, ****** ****** ***** ******** *** ** ************* **** - *** *** ***** ** ***** * ******* ** **** on ****.

*** ** (** ******) ************ **** ** **** *******, **** the ******* ***** *******, *** ** **** ********** **** *** over *** *****. ***** *** *** * *** ******, *** may ****** *** **** **** **** *** * ** ************ has ****** *** ***** ****** ************ ******** ***** **** ** have **** **, *.*.,***** ** ****** ************* ****,***** ** ****** ************ ****,***** ****** ************* ****, ***.

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Mick Brown

06/05/17 01:30pm

********* *** ********** ***** ****** **** * *********

*** ******* **** ** **% ***** ******

***** ** ** ******* ***************

**** *** **** ******* ** ********* * *** **** *** support **** ******** **** *****

*** ***** ***** ** ***** ******** ****** **** ** ***** products ****** *** *** *** *** *** ******* ** *********

**** **** *** ***** **** ******** ** ********* ** ********

******* * * ***** **** ***** ** ********* *** ** analogue ****

** **** ***** ****** **** ****

*** **** **** ** ******** ********* ** ********* *** *******

** ***** **** ******* ******* **** * ******** ** **** before **** ******** **** ********** *********

*** **** **** ****

******* ******* *** **** ****

Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

In reply to Mick Brown | 06/07/17 04:55am

**'* * ******** ********* ** *** ********* *******!

*** *** *** ************* *** ******. *** **** ***** *** no ***** ** *** **** **** ** *** ***** ***** fountain.

** *** *** *** ** ****** ** *** ******, *** side - **** **** * *** ***** *******, ** ***** from *** ******* *'** ****.

** **** ** **** *** ****** ********** ***** / **'* going ** **** * ************ ****** ** **** *** ************ before **** ** **** * %*** ** *** ******.

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Mick Brown

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 06/07/17 06:48am

** * ********** ** *** **** ********* ***** *** ** 2017

****** **** **** ** ** * *** * ***.

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Mick Brown

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 06/07/17 06:48am

********* **** ***** *** **********

** ***** **** ** ********** *********

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Mick Brown

06/06/17 05:59am

********* **** **** ******* ******* ** ********** ***** *********** *** greed

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