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Comments (52)
Undisclosed
This was video only? So nobody had a chance to vote on reader vendors, for example.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
No surprises there so...
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Undisclosed End User #4
[IPVM Note: Poster is Bashis, who has discovered many vulnerabilities including Axis and Dahua.]
For an independent wannabe researcher like myself, pure cybersecurity wise, these three mentioned manufacturers are rated as follow in best quality: 1) Axis, 2) Hikvision, 3) Dahua.
I'm not only talking about recent disclosures of vulnerabilities and/or backdoors, i'm talking about the whole impression while researching some of each manufactures products. Where one of them also disrespecting GNU General Public License.
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Tony Lagan
So Hikvision and Dahua were the only manufacturers who had negative responses?
It would be interesting to see what was said about other manufacturers as I am sure there were others that were criticised.
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Sean Nelson
06/02/17 03:02pm
Honestly, I bet this pumps Hikvision up. Same thing I said in another discussion thread, "if you aint pissing competitors off, you aint doing something right"
If your speaking from a Chinese manufacturer perspective, if any of the Chinese manufacturers voted that they disrespect Hikvision, I can tell you thats purely BS. They may say that just because they want to beat them or whatever, but I can tell you that every Chinese manufacturer has the great respect for Hikvision. You can tell anytime you talk to them. When they are talking about products "this camera does this, just like Hikvision" "We are number 3, just behind Dahua and Hikvision" "This camera cheaper than Hikvision" etc etc. In other words, Hikvision has raised the bar and everyone else is just to trying to reach that.
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Undisclosed Integrator #8
I believe that Hikvision runs on Hikvision and watches everyone else complain, whine or follow.
Secondly, I believe that IPVM holds a 'grudge against' the entire Chinese population, disregards anything that is positive for the people, the economy or any of the many factory workers that supply the US with many quality products. Its not just Hikvision its any and everything Chinese made.
I ponder to question if anyone in the IPVM culture has relatives or family members that are Chinese that have a personal discourse with there heritage or Homeland and that fuels the overwhelming discontent for all Chinese?
Is not just Hikvision, it runs deeper.
Just a thought...
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Undisclosed Integrator #10
Pelco. In regard to the mis-information distributed reading the DX range of DVR's "falling off" networks. They initially said they had only had one or two cases of it - then admit when the CEO is involved that its a known defect of the DX range that Pelco have not disclosed. Being caught telling lies is never a good.
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Undisclosed Integrator #11
Hmmmmm!
I have glanced at the posts and there seems to be one thing lost ( I could be wrong) in this entire discussion. Hikvision products are usually good regardless of model and price and often superior to the competition and that at a lesser price. This is their claim to fame. This is their strength ( that and the vast coffers of the Chinese Government itself alimented by the gluttony of the Occidental markets).. The reality is that this is Capitalism... Ironic isn't it ? That Capitalism core concepts are exploited by a Communist regime!! . Enter disrupt and dominate. The US have done that, Japan has and now it is the Chinese. There is no escaping it. We lament the fact that an IP camera cost less than $100 complete with all bells and whistles while forgetting that <$100 smartphone are even more formidable computing devices. IOW a <$100 smartphone can do most of the things any IP camera does. Matter of specialization. We are at that juncture . It is beyond unsettling, it is threatening. The World has faced it. Horse carriages drivers and businesses have faced the onslaught of railroads and automobiles ... The Security Industry ( Integrators, manufacturers, etc) is in that predicament. And we are grasping for answers, for responses.
I believe it's not disrespect: It is fear.
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Undisclosed Integrator #10
Speaking on proven annecdote - I worked for a a US manufacturer who actively sourced products to be made in China. They did this as they realised the US had no intention of designing anything for EN or CE conformity and expected thew world to follow UL.
China quickly developed a fully conformal product which was then branded and sold by the US manufacturer.
This insular, narrow minded ethos typifies the US manufacturing base - and yet there is never a mention of this on IPVM.
I would also point out that this particular US manufacturer uses labour OUTSIDE of the US from a third world country to save even more $'s.
Stones and glass houses come to mind when attacking HIKVISION.
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Mick Brown
HIKVISION are completely happy making cctv a commodity
why wouldnt they be 42% gross profit
sales up 21 percent internationally
they get full support of hisilicon a bit like the support dell received from intel
hik hides whats in their products saying they rd these products mainly the nvr and dvr are powered by hisilicon
then they get deals from nextchip or techpoint on analogue
getting a 6 month head start on hisilicon new 4k analogue chip
im sure dahua crying over this
and then have no dominant installer to influence the channel
in china they already install only a question of time before they dispense with installers worldwide
why they need them
improve margins fit them self
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Mick Brown
Hikvision will only succeed because of installers short sightedness and greed
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