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Bosch Intrusion Detection Profile
Published Aug 10, 2016 13:36 PM
This is a first in a new IPVM series profiling intrusion detection / alarm offerings.
In this series, starting with Bosch, we examine:
- Key Strengths
- Key Weaknesses
- Control Panel Offerings
- Central Station Compatibility
- Integration Options
- Wireless Options
- Remote Apps
- Market Availability
Strengths ***
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Weaknesses ***
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Remote ***
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Comments (24)
Brian Rhodes
Aug 10, 2016
Gert Molkens
Aug 11, 2016Hi Brian,
I don't know if it's available in the US, guess so, but Vanderbilt SPC series panels are interesting however also more at the higher end on pricing.
I call them interesting because they're fully configurable throught the built in web server and it's all the way in HTML5 so works with almost any browser, no plugin misery.
Bob Kusche
Aug 11, 2016Brian, I suggest starting a parallel series for wide-area intrusion detection/alarm.
Per recent NERC (nerc.com) and FERC (ferc.gov) standards and regulations, Electricity, Oil/Gas, and Water generation and transmission sites require better security than they currently have.
The problem is that the solutions vary widely, from cameras, to fiber fencing, radar, barbed wire, and more. They are also expensive.
IPVM has covered most of these technologies in the past, but they are all due a refresh.
MM
Michael Miller
Aug 11, 2016Brian you should test ICT access/alarm solution.
LM
Luke Maslen
Oct 24, 2019I'd find it helpful to know how much bandwidth the IP module might use if only for monitoring the status of the alarm system and not for video surveillance. Would the system use lots of data or would a monthly SIM plan of only 1 or 2 GB per month be sufficient? I'd greatly appreciate seeing any data usage statistics from other readers.
Brian Rhodes
Oct 24, 2019I've asked your question to resources who might be able to help. I'll report back!
LM
Luke Maslen
Oct 24, 2019CN
Corey Nelson
Oct 25, 2019Bosch has taken the cell plans inside so you buy directly from them, they pool the data allotment with all of your accounts so if you have one go wild you don't get hit with crazy overages. The Data plans for opening and closings with daily test use 150MB plan per month and generally don't even come close to using that completely.
Brian Rhodes
Oct 25, 2019Here is feedback to your question from a member with direct experience on this:
Each report is about 50 bytes. Obviously, the amount of data usage is going to be highly dependent on the programming and usage. Simple monitoring of an unmanned facility can use a kilobyte or less a month. Monitoring a system designed programmed for open/close reports can consume a gigabyte a month.
Hope that helps!
LM
Luke Maslen
Oct 26, 2019Hi Brian, thank you very much for obtaining this information from your contacts. That's interesting all these open/close requests could add up to 1GB of data per month if actively interrogating and monitoring the alarm system externally.
Bosch now have a circuit board or two that plug into some of their current systems to give them IP connectivity without needing an external 3G or 4G cellular interface which typically also had a WiFi interface. This makes the Bosch alarm systems more secure and the circuit boards can be powered by the alarm system's internal backup battery if their is a power outage. Under older designs, one had to have a UPS to keep the external, cellular router powered during power outages.
I also like this is a dedicated internet service for the alarm system, not sharing a LAN with other devices.
Knowing the upper end of data usage makes it easy to pick an appropriate data plan for the alarm system. Thank you very much for your help!
LM
Luke Maslen
Jan 01, 2020Hi, I'm just reporting back after 1 month of use. The alarm system has only used 70MB of data. I expect this to increase as the house becomes fully occupied and more family members use the Bosch RSC+ app to monitor the alarm.
However it clearly isn't going to exceed the cheap 2GB/month data plan that has been purchased for the alarm system and 1GB/month would be more than enough.
Brian Rhodes
Jan 01, 2020U
Undisclosed #1
Oct 24, 2019"However, the hub is currently limited to only Z-Wave devices, and competing Zigbee or even WiFi enabled automation devices are not supported."
Is this information accurate? The G450 Home Control Gateway supports Z-Wave, ZigBee, Bluetooth, and WiFi:
Compatible Devices G450 Home Control Gateway
Zombie thread... I just noticed this is from 2016.
Brian Rhodes
Oct 25, 2019Zombie thread... I just noticed this is from 2016.
You nailed it. The G450 was released since we initially published, and the module pictured in the post has been replaced with the more capable model.
DF
David Fogle, CSEIP
Oct 25, 2019I must confess to being a former Radionics (before Bosch) Tech support specialist and this is a very accurate review of the newer product line that has evolved from the Bosch acquisition post Detection Systems picking them up at a fire sale. Such a shame as they were better than Expamet (Holding company that did a Pretty Woman deal on them) cared about doing anything with.
I agree programming can be a bit much, but that is because of how much the panel can do. I will not allow companies an out for not committing to serious training in this industry anymore. If you should choose to commit to using Bosch panels then in turn you must commit to a trained staff. If your trained staff can not work on these panels after training within a reasonable time it may be your staff needs to be changed.
While on the training topic to wrap it up, "Training Matters" no matter what panels you chose to use, learn them and you will profit with them.
Create template profiles for programming and you are only tweaking the program for the customer in question. Shorter programming times lower labor costs.
Stop thinking about Residential pricing when you are working in a commercial market.
This is by far a world class commercial product line that will work perfectly well in a residential environment albeit at a premium, for which there are plenty of high end homes that would pay for it.
My last integrator I worked for I did a cost comparison for ownership that told me Bosch was more expensive and yes it was $25.00 more than a comparably built Honeywell solution to which they said "Ah Ha! it is more and I responded with "If you cannot sell a $25 delta then maybe sales is not your thing"
My personal experience with Bosch/Radionics panels is that when installed correctly they stay installed and producing a Cash Flow which is what the game is all about.
Customers rarely throw out a security company for doing their job and having no problems at all with the system that was installed for year after year.
U
Undisclosed #2
Oct 25, 2019David, Thanks for the definitive explanation and tactical perspective. I once found myself playing nine-ball in a San Jose Billiard joint with a competitor that identified himself as one of the original crew of ROM memory programmers for Radionics. He was still bitter after be laid-off and unappreciated. Anyhoot, he has moved on and is happy working for San Jose City College.
During the game of 9-ball I not only learned about billiards on a higher level than my ego, but also about how cutting edge Radionics was in their hay day. I wish more people would collab on the times of writing EEPROM applications in the security/alarm industry.
Cheers, a security gap sorely missed.
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Oct 25, 2019Maybe it was Hugh Pierson, the mastermind of the D6112 and later an alarm company owner. I know he could program a D6112 in his sleep ;)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
Jan 02, 2020So, I never wrote EEPROM applications, but I have fond memories of working with Panasonic systems that used EEPROMs for firmware. It was great. It was so easy to upgrade software, downgrade, or test out different versions. Just use a chip puller, and swap in a different EEPROM (making sure they were properly labelled). I could write and EEPROM and mail it to a customer and there was no need to download large files (early 2000's), connect serial or network cables, deal with addressing and com ports, etc.... You just needed a screwdriver to pop the chip out and then carefully reseat the new one....
I still have my burner and a UV eraser, but I haven't used it in many years. In the 80's and 90's I used to play so many Atari games off of EEPROMs.
UE
Undisclosed End User #4
Jan 01, 2020I have fond memories of programming with a barcode book and pen reader... I think it was the Omega Series?
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Jan 01, 2020UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #5
Jan 02, 2020Thank goodness for graphic desktop programming, with radio boxes that you can tick on or off. I will admit that I'm a little jealous of the DMP folks- I hear they can program with an app.
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
Jan 02, 2020Wow! I remember playing with a an HP calculator that had a barcode pen reader in the 90's and thought that was amazing. I read in a few games and other programs....
Can't imagine having to program a whole system with a barcode pen input...