What ** ******** *****?
***** ** *** * conventional ***** ****** **** converts ***/*** *** ** 12/24 ***, *** * transformer **** ******** (***) 802.3bt *** ***** **** 12/24VDC *******.
*** *********** ** * printed ******* ***** **** snaps ** ******** **** power ****** **********, *** rather **** ********** ******* 'high-voltage' ***/*** ***, ***** power ** ********* *****.***, *** *******-*******, ** to **-**** ******* ** PoE.
*** *******'* ***** ***** gives ** ******** ** ports, **********, *** ******* appearance ** *****:
***** *** *** ***** port, *** **** ****-**** (non-PoE) ****, *** ******** 12 *** *** ** VDC ***** ****** *****.
Where ** ***** **** ** ** ****** ******?
***** ** ********* ******* a *** ****** *** a **** ********** *** access ********** **** ***** and ***.
Tango *****
***** *** * ****** price ** ~$*** - $500, *** ** ********* from ************.
What ***** ***** * '**** *******'?
******** ****** ******* *** transformer ** '****-********' *** low-voltage ******** ********:
**** ******** ****-******** ******** eliminates *** **** *** an ***********, ********* ******* and **** **** – providing ********** ******* ** using ***-******* ********** *** wiring *******.
*******, ******** ********* **** more ************ ******** **** IPVM ***** '*** **** electrician ***** **** ***** eliminate?':
**** ** ***** ********** on *** *********** **** is *** **** ** have ** *********** ******** the ***** ****** ******** with ******/******.
***** *********** **** *** the **** *** ******** electricians ** **** *** high-voltage ********** ** *** voltage ***** ******** ** instead ***** *** ****** via *********** **** ** typically ********** ********** ****** like ** ** ***-******* integrators.
Do *********** ***** ******* *** ************?
***** ******* ***** *** transformers/splitters, *********:
*********, ***** *** ******** to '**********' ***** *** machine ****** *** ************* use *** *** *** traditional '********' ********* **** Altronix.
* ***** ********** *** potential ********* ** ******** Tango ** *** ***** above ** ************ ******* for **** ** *** 24 *** *******, ***** most ***** ******** *** either ** ** ** VDC.
*******, **** ***** ***** are ****** ** ~$***, which ** *** **** than *****.
Why ****** ******** *** ** *********** *****
********** *** ******, ************ are ***** ****** ** join ****-*******/***** ******** ** power ** *****-**-*** *** voltage ** ********** **** door ***********, *******, *** RTE.
******** ********* *** ***** for ** *********** ** these ****:
** * [*******] ********, an *********** **** *** cable **** * ********* circuit ******* ******* ******* or ***** ** *** power ******.
**** ******* ****** *** in *** **** **** trays ** ******* ******* or ****** ******* *******. What ** ***** ***** is *** **** ** the *********** *** *** cost ** ******* *** all *** ********** ***** i.e. *******, ******** *****, etc.
******, ** *** ******* install ***** *****, **** when ****** ******, ********, and ******* ** **** by ***********, * *********** amount ** ********* ** the *** ** *******, conductors, ******* ******, *** outlets *** ***** ****** from ************:
High-Density ***** ****** ******** ***** *******
** ********** *** *****, Altronix ******* ** ******* of *** *** *** VAC ****** ***** ** 802.3bt ******* *** * Tango *********** *** ***** up ** * ****** doors:
*** * ***-***** ******, at ***** *** ******** low-voltage ******** ** ******* PoE ***** ***** ** required. ********* ** ********** codes, ********* ***** ******** for *** *********** *** locks (*.*.: ******* ** maglocks) ***** ** ****** and **** ** *** 802.3af (~***) *** ***** could ** ******.
Can ***** ***** ********* *****?
********** ** ***** ***** 'prevailing ****' ***** ***** apply, **** ************* *** Tango *** ** **** expensive ******* ** *** use ********* ***** **********.
*** *******,** *** * '**********' electrician ******** **** **** is $**.** *** ****, while * ***** ******** electrician ** ~$** - $75 *** ****.
*** * ****-**** ******* job, *** *********** ***** cost ~$***, ***** *** tech ~$***, * ********** of $** *** *** job.
**** *** ***** ***** 'prevailing *****' ** *** apply, *** **** ** a **** ****** *** connections ** **** **** the ********** **** ** an *********** ********* ******** power *** ******.
However ******** ******* ********
**** * ********* *******, using ***** *** *** always ** **** ********* though. *********** ******* ****:
- ********* ***.*** *****: ***** *** ** common, **** ***** *** PoE ** ***, *** Tango **** **** **** input ********* ** ******** outputs. *** **** ************, using ***** **** **** require ** ********** ***.*** midspan ** *********, ** additional **** ** ~$*** - $***.
- ***** ********* ******: ***** ***** ~$*** - $***, *** **** cost *** ** **** than ***** *** ***** high-voltage ********* **** ******* panels, *******, *******, *** conductor ** ****.
- ********** ******** *****: ** **** *****, electrical **** **** ******** a **** **** ** permitting, ********, ** ****** from *&*'*, ***** *** and ********** **** **** not.
Does ***** ********* ************ **** ******?
****** ****: **. *** Altronix **** ***** ***** high-voltage ***** **** *** injectors ** *******.
*** *** ********* ******* an *********** ** ******* power ** *** **. So ** ***** ******** to ******* ** ***** Tango ***** ********** ******** electricians.
**** *********:
*********, ******** *** ** PoE ******** *** ********* found ** * ****, usually **** * ***** strip ********* **** *** units *** ******* ****.
**** ***** ********** ** the *********** **** ** the **** ** **** an *********** ******** *** power ****** ******** **** 115VAC/220VAC. *** ********** *** plug * ****** **** an ******.
*** **** '***** *****' generally ***** ******* ** this:
*******, ***** '*** ********** can **** * ****** into ** ******' ** a ***** *********, ** electrician ** ******** ** install *** ******, ** begin ****.
**, ******** *********** ***** is ********** ** ****** free ******* *** ********* to *** *** ************* midspans, *********, ** ********.
Altronix ****-** ***** ******** ******
*** ** *** ***** that '*** ********** *** plug * ****** **** an ******',******** ***** *********** ***** supplies **** '* **** line ****' **** ********** ****:
***** **** ******* ******* low-voltage *********** *** ** should **** ***** ****-******* plugged ***********, ** ** a ****** ******** ***** security ********** *** ********** non-union ********.
Vote / ****
Comments (47)
Shannon Davis
I was excited about this product when I first saw it at GSX. After taking a closer look at it though I would still rather use the eflow power supplies and accessories. To me a traditional power supply will be much more reliable over the long run.
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Undisclosed
Equipment racks often come with power strips installed thus no electrician for that step.
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Undisclosed #1
Good, one step closer to POE everything. Sick and tired of massive access control head end equipment, silly point to point wiring diagrams for terminal blocks, etc.
Assa? where is your Poe mortise and cylindrical lock sets?
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Undisclosed Integrator #3
I don't see them selling any of this
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Charlie O'Donnell
Where does battery back up fit into this equation? Traditionally this would be installed at the PSU to hold up door locks in the event of failure.
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Jim FitzGibbon
I understand the concept of hey we need power here and now we need an licensed electrical contractor. This would allow you to work around this requirement. However our current installs that use centralized LifeSafety Power power supplies and I can configure any way I want to based on the project requirements. So you don't need two power supplies as stated above. I have configurations that include triple voltage 24VDC, 12VDC and 5VDC with based on the project requirements and some old readers that were 5VDC.
When we install access control every mercury panel is independently fused, along with every request to exit device and lock. This prevents system disruption in the event a fuse blows, a wire is shorted and pops a fuse, or simply for general service of the system.
Unless I I missed something this board doesn't have 8 fused output board like the ACM8. To keep with my concept above it should also have an 8 output aux board.
Having to use the PoE injector is another point of failure when the IT guy disconnects it because he doesn't know what it is for. When the switches have the 90 watt capability then this would be better.
FAI connection. Not that we like to use magnetic locks but there are locations where the AHJ wants the electric strikes to be failsafe vs. fail secure. I don't believe there is a FAI connection on the unit so this would not work.
This would work in the case where you have an edge based access control system for an example LP1501 and MR62E panels at the door location and you already have PoE going to them but you need more power then is available via PoE+ (25 W) PoE+ which provides 12 Vdc @ 1.25 A including reader, lock and AUX output. Another situaion is you may need 24VDC for the locking hardware that is being installed by the door hardware vendor. However you may see these vendors just build it into their controller, or intelligent reader.
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Undisclosed Integrator #4
Manufacturers need to understand Division 28
Security integrators are generally not responsible for AC power so who cares?
Owner direct sales has contract terms that require an electrician to provide power where required
I’d be adding cost to a project that already has accounted for the electricIan
this is another poorly thought out business case with a solution to a problem that does not exist
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Lynn Harold
If I need one of these for each door, I can see this being viable for a small IDF where only a few doors are being controlled, but in a larger implementation, it just seems this will take up too much wall space compared to traditional power supplies.
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Undisclosed Integrator #5
The prevailing hourly rates quoted are unrealistically low.
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Bryan McGee
[Full Disclosure: I'm employed by Altronix]
To clarify some above comments regarding the Tango. The Tango1B is designed to stack with the ACMS8 (dual voltage access control module) or PDS8 (dual voltage power distribution module) allowing 8 fused or PTC outputs from the ACM/PD8. When used with the ACMS8 this configuration supports the FAI (fire alarm interface) of the ACMS8 and supports 12 and 24VDC locks individually selectable by output. When stacked, the space of a single power board is used saving space in the enclosure. Also, the battery charger output is a 12V Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFeP04) charger. I hope this clarifies the application intent.
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Undisclosed Integrator #7
Doesn't look like a compelling product during installation on a new construction project but this may be useful in a retrofit. I could see several scenarios where this type of device could be used. I still find it amazing that 90W can be pushed over a CAT cable. Looking to see what other devices can be added using 802.3bt.
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Undisclosed Integrator #8
Queue union lobbying to make the pulling of ANY structured cabling illegal for anyone besides licensed electricians.
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Undisclosed Integrator #9
I agree with UI#4 - most of our work is a tender situation (UK) - our clients dont care (enough) to figure out 1 access control quote includes PSU that doesn't require 230V (UK) and one that does - they will purely look at the cost for the access control system and choose the cheapest.
We also often have the requirement for battery back up of 4 / 8 or even 24 hours.
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John Gamble
So its a device to remove the POE from a cat6 and drop its voltage for 48 to 12 or 24...... and i need this why? So now I not only need this device , i need a 802.3 90 watt injector as well. Or a 90w port on a switch. And that is good for about 1 door worth of Panel, reader, REX and light door strike. And $500 at that !! Before the Injector !!! I cant see this making sense at this price . Especially when their EFLOW102NB 10 amp power supply is about $140 without a can , requires no injectors or POE ports and can run MULTIPLE panels , readers and locks. Requires only 1 connection to an outlet when used with a power cable. Am i missing something ?
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Jason Crist
Anyone using the new Mercury high POE board? MR52e, dual reader board OSDP only. Not thinking it’s a “game changer” with OSDP only but for that application it does real work I think.
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Robert Winslow
I have been extremely reluctant to use POE devices because of the power backup available. Almost all IT departments will backup their Servers and Switches for (perhaps) 20 minutes. However, most of my customers want their entrance devices backed up for a minimum of 4 hours! Some may want (need) much more than that.
I just can't imagine a door going unlocked (or locked if one is using a fail secure device) after the power has gone out for only 20 minutes. That's just not realistic.
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