All In One, No False Alarm, Intrusion System Startup

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Brian Rhodes
•Published Oct 31, 2014 04:00 AM

It detects intruders through closed doors.

It learns what is normal and what is not.

It is both an intrusion and video system, for just $299 that sits on your bookshelf:

Is this startup crazy or does it have the next big thing? In this note, we dig into their product specifics, examining its potential and problems.

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Comments (9)
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Larry Tracy
•Nov 02, 2014

Ifrasonic detectors have been around since Arrowhead tried this in the 1970's, we used the same technology in the first Flexguard Glassbreak sensors introduced by Intellisence starting in 1988 which quickly became the industry standard, but we had to couple it with looking for the actual frequency of glass breaking within 100 msec to prevent false alarms. It does detect the low frequency of glass bending very reliably.

An infrasonic only detector will detects doors swinging even in adjacent buildings, so unless these guys have come up with some intelligence not previously seen it will be a huge false alarm generator.

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Brian Rhodes
•Nov 03, 2014
IPVMU Certified

[UPDATE:] Cocoon released their Indiegogo campaign and produced a marketing video:

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Brian Rhodes
•Nov 05, 2014
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Brian Rhodes

[UPDATE:] Five days in, Cocoon has exceeded its $100k goal.

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John Bazyk
•Nov 03, 2014
Command Corporation • IPVMU Certified

I have a real problem with this system, what if the intruder comes in through the back of the house and never goes into the front room. Or climbs in a second story window and backout the same window (happened to one of my customers just a couple of months ago before they had our system). I can see this working for an apartment with one entrance and no easily accessible windows, but not in a home as their diagram suggests.

On top of that, where’s the protection when you’re home? Many of our residential customers demand to have all rear facing windows on the first and second floor armed and motions on the basement and first floor armed while they sleep.

I dont buy the reliability of the sensor.

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Undisclosed #1
•Nov 03, 2014

Just came across this today:

Form Devices

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Brian Rhodes
•Nov 03, 2014
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed #1

That's interesting. It's like they are taking a shot at Nest with the whole '[Form is] unbranded, allowing it to blend in' comment.

Also, the 'Help Us' page is brutally honest about promotion:

3. Like us and post about us

Internet is a popularity contest and right now we're looking every bit as popular as we did in High School. You can change that.

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John Honovich
•Nov 03, 2014
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #1

There's a discussion on Hackers News with the company responding. I asked a question about using this for intrusion detection and they are either confused or spinning.

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John Honovich
•Nov 04, 2014
IPVM
In reply to John Honovich

So I asked them again, "How accurate will it be in detecting whether someone has broken into my home? Are you positioning your product to accurately detect intruders?

Their response: "We detect if people are present (from sound, so not if they're perfectly quiet) and notice broken windows. If you see a broken window alert followed by people present in your home timeline when you're not expecting them, I would draw the conclusion that it's an intruder."

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Nov 06, 2014

sometimes vapor ware has a value