ADI W-Box Dropping Hikvision, Using Sunell (Tested)

By Rob Kilpatrick, Published Mar 05, 2018, 12:32pm EST

The next generation of ADI's W-Box (ADI's competition against their manufacturing partners) is here.

And unlike the previous generation, which was OEMed from Hikvision, ADI's new generation has dropped the mega-manufacturer. But who is ADI's new partner? Dahua? Longse? Someone else from China?

We bought and tested two new W Box cameras and an NVR:

To find out who the new OEM partner is and how well and poorly it works.

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Comments (29)

Any comment from ADI on why they changed to a new manufacture?

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No official comment. I think it's safe to say that ADI reviews products periodically but why they did it specifically here, we are not sure.

We have heard from sources that ADI has used Sunell on other video products OEM in the past (e.g., analog) so we are pretty sure there is an ongoing relationship with Sunell. However, why Sunell now and here vs Hikvision, we cannot say.

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Bold Move. Risky move as well. I can understand doing this with TVI. But with IP cameras and NVR?

I do know that Honeywell purchased a large amount of AHD cameras from Longse/Cantonk. How do I know this? Longse/Cantonk was using this in one of their emailing advertisements. Something like "buy from us. OEM supplier of Honeywell" I then called their bluff, I said, "show me the boxes". Sure enough, they emailed pics of mountains of boxes getting ready to ship out to Honeywell with "Honeywell" all over the boxes. Im curious if this was for Wbox. I then asked for some model numbers. I guess this is where they had to stop divulging their info.

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If it was 'Honeywell' on the boxes that would be separate from ADI. It's certainly an OEM can supply both Honeywell and Longse but we have not seen any signs from ADI that they are using Longse (at least on IP products that we have been checking).

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Who are some of the other Sunell OEMs

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Unix?
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Anyone?  Anyone?  Buehler?  Buehler?  

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Smart codec? H265? Analytics? 

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No smart codec but yes to H.265. However, their H.265 stream was not supported in any of the VMSes we tested. 

They do have analytics (intrusion, crossline, and some others) but they only work with the W Box NVR, not any VMSes we've tested.

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 Based on your testing did it seem like the lack of support for software like Genetec was intentional or not? 

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I would guess no. If you try to connect a camera which is restricted by Genetec, Security Center will actually tell you it is a restricted camera. This simply failed.

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When each VMS license costs 4x the price of the camera...

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Sunell’s ip camera line is mature. They invested heavily (for their size) into developing it in early stages of ip market in China. Since they could not come up with a good NVR to support their cameras, I wonder what is your impressions of the one you have tested?

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Are the HD-Analog NVR's still Hik? Or did they change those also?

 

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Depends on the series. The HD Hybrid DVRs look to be Sunell, and use the same mobile app (W Box VMS1) as the NVR tested here. The "HD DVRs" look like Hikvision.

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Well I certainly won't buy anymore WBOX cameras. Thanks for the exposure, ADI management no doubt made a decision to save money and switch vendors.

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Larry, good feedback, question: What was the attraction of WBox in the past? You could readily buy 'real' branded Hikvision cameras so what was the attraction of WBox ones?

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Sometimes stock availability and price 

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Please cancel my subscription, as I have no further use for the information you provide

regards

Mike Stokes

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While we're dropping random requests into old threads, can you change my password from "password1" to "password2"? I like to update my security for the new year.

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Michael,

I have canceled your subscription and issued a pro-rated refund for the remaining term of your subscription. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to help.

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I wonder how many other factories companies apparently making products are just editing their Onvif documents with such tools as (Infix Pro) because they can't run the Onvif tool on camera without a failure somewhere.

I guess Onvif for good or bad, lets this slide by, Officially Onvif maybe now does not really seems much value.

Milestone I think would be regarded as a benchmark for an Onvif compliance test.

I would fear using the Android App, as it used a library igexin which was found to contain some nasty stuff before. Google (igenix sdk)

 

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I worked for a manufacturer from 2005 till 2009 who decided to OEM cameras from Sunell. All I can say is that I hope for ADI that Sunell have learned their lesson and cleaned up their act.

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Well done Anne for winning this.  Cant wait to see some big wins with the Sunell brand. Keep up the good work!!

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Seems like it might be easier just to buy known name-brand rather than OEM.

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Never bought any WBox anything anyway, except maybe cable ties. But this sounds like a dumb move.

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Hello,

Seems like a bad move on ADI's part, video quality is horrible, blotching out at times is unacceptable, I'd rather stick with hikvision then change over to W-Box just to save a buck. .... 

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Did you guys test the analytics in these cameras? I picked one up at ADI the other day out of curiosity. First thing I noticed is the UI sucks and it seems to only work in IE. 

I also noticed that they have a lot of analytics like illegal parking, object left/removed...etc. As far as free analytics go in cheap cameras they seem to have more options. I'd be willing to bet they don't work well but I'm just curious if you've looked into them.

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We didn't test the analytics, because they were only compatible with the W Box NVR, and based on history on low cost OEM gear, they likely are unlikely to work well, to say the least. 

I did notice that they included several rules which many manufacturers don't, like you said. That especially makes me suspicious of their performance. A lot of manufacturers don't include those rules even on higher end models.

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