One of the biggest issues is all these IP intercoms keep the brains on the outside. Who think that putting $1400 of kit on the outside door where it might be smashed up is a good idea - in a professional setting. For example office entrance, Truck intercom, etc. It would make more sense to have the brains safe side with a simple cat5/6/7 through to the outside so if its hit by a truck/vandal etc it's just a front panel to replace. I also can't see how the Ring costs just $250 and these are basically the same tech plus some reader elements which should be retailing for $400 but somehow all these guys think they are worth $1400!! The same is true for 2N, Paxton, etc etc
Who think that putting $1400 of kit on the outside door where it might be smashed up is a good idea - in a professional setting.
You raise a fair point, which is exasperated by the fact the entire unit is held to the backplate via a single T20 Torx 'Security' Screw that can be removed using a driver or bits available in any hardware store.
I have found apps on for a smartphone that generate different types of noise and noises that may help you test the noise cancellation features as well as the volume of those noises and how they are canceled.
Axis A8004-VE intercoms are a great solution as well. We've standardized on these enterprise wide paired with Cisco CP-8865 Phones. After our own testing, we feel the Axis units are the best IP option but we'll settle for 2N if analog is the requirement. The A8004-VE also works nicely with a reader and ADA button on the stainless steel pedestals our integrator supplied. I prefer this layout over using the A8207-VE because most pedestrians would not be looking for an integrated reader.
No Master Stations Needed: Especially compared to solutions like Stentofon's Turbine, Commend, and Aiphone, one of the biggest advantages of the A8207 is the system needs no master call station or server to receive or route calls, and basic systems can use free Axis Companion. In our test, the free apps and mobile calling worked without issues.
Stentofon PULSE does not use a central server/box. You can set up one of the stations to route the calls or can use a SIP phone to make calls between an intercom and VOIP phone.
To be fair the SIP Commend stations also do not require a station. They can be setup via web interface to act as a point to point connection. But let's be real Commend SIP for a dumb device no camera will be about the same cost as this unit. 2 gang sub station with single button over SIP is about $1000 rainhood, backbox, security screws, all sold separately.
To be clear, it is not an analogy in that IPVM is recommending Ring over an Axis intercom. Ring is a consumer doorbell, not a commercial intercom.
However, both units are built to video people within close range while making calls from the device. The point of the comparison is the Ring does a better job of capturing subject details in dark scenes using (cheaper) IR than Axis' super low light Lightfinder in the A8207-VE.
To the point in the report: Face details can be seen with Ring, but are dark and hidden in the A8207. The scene below is the same scene with the same (lack of) external lighting:
How useful are any 'washed out' details seen with the A8207-VE missed in the Ring?
We could debate about the value of seeing brick color and the dark shade of my shirt, but at the expense of a clear image of my face? (P.S. Apologies for the ugly face. :) )
Finally, Ring cost ~$250, the Axis unit costs $1,400.
Certainly understand what you mean Brian. Mostly was inferring that the "cost" standpoint obviously has many factors; including that most real enterprises with actual door station needs are concerned about things past just the initial user standing directly at the door. Aka, are there individuals dwelling in the background, etc that the Axis device would indeed catch; especially if the device were optimized for the scene (which it obviously can do). Agree to mostly agree ;-)
if your looking for an inexpensive phone SIP phone, the Grandstream GXV - 32 or 33 series works well with all the Axis door stations. I'd be happy to send over the setup process if anyone is interested.
We have sold quite a few of the Axis intercoms the past couple of years and they work really well. Not needing a master station is a plus and a money saver but depending on the site not having a master station becomes a pain sometimes. Typically we have a customer buy a tablet to mount at the desk and use it as the master station. We haven't had good results using a PC or laptop to answer the calls. A couple of sites have done the SIP integration themselves.
I will look into this SIP phone as another solution for my customers.
I just got a GXV-327 to integrate with the Axis A8004-VE. I'm sure that I would be able to figure it out but it would take me a lot less time if you could forward that setup process to me. I would really appreciate it as I don't have a lot of time on my hands right now. Thanks for sharing.
Brian, great review. Could you please confirm that the unit has an "edge" access reader, with a built in controller? Also you mentioned motion detection on the video. Are there any other video or audio analytics available? Thx.
Could you please confirm that the unit has an "edge" access reader, with a built in controller? Also you mentioned motion detection on the video. Are there any other video or audio analytics available? Thx.
The A8207 only provides a reader, no door controller functionality. There are provisions for video and audio analytics, but the physical install location may limit how useful they are.
For example, on audio analytics we asked Axis and they clarified:
For the A8207, what value is the 'Audio Detector'? Can call events be triggered based on Audio being present?
Yes, events can be triggered based on detected audio using the Action engine. Installer needs to locally test how does the Detector reacts in that particular installation, since details of audio volume, type of noise etc. are not user configurable.
It's a $1400 csn/prox reader with OSDP and a bad camera. No wonder everybody who has this has 3 other intercoms on their door. By the way there's IP connectivity including SIP on the insecure side of the door.
If you attach an external reader is it going direct to the panel or is the $1400 terminal block somehow involved in the connection?
Generic question r.e. "edge" control. Is the Axis device controlling the lock? So if I have an external reader on a PACS is the PACS still going to have to talk to the Axis device to command the door to be unlocked? So if it were OSDP that would be two OSDP devices connecting to the PACS?
The A8207-VE has the option to connect a lock directly, via the input/output relay connections. This would allow a call into a VoIP phone or VMS to unlock the door via an interface button inside a call if no other access system is installed.
However, this situation is unlikely with this unit, given the integrated card reader and keypad would be unused.
I have been testing this unit for a while and we have deployed many of the A8105-E with VMS and SIP integration. I disagree to those that say the image quality is bad it is a 6MP image and looks really good but doesn't have IR which make the night time image look bad when you don't have light. I can say in all of the commercial intercoms we install they have well-lit entryways so this intercom would work fine day or night most of the time.
Also, those of you looking to understand how the intercom can control the locks here is info showing the different ways it can using Axis hardware. Hope this helps.
The unit can manually release a lock, but access levels, schedules, and cardholders/credentials cannot be set up. If you want/need that, you have to use a PACS controller, like the fourth option shows.