HID Releases Lower-Cost Signo Readers

Published Mar 06, 2020 13:46 PM

HID Global is releasing a new line of readers called Signo they claim read farther, are mobile-ready, and automatically adjust for better reads on difficult surfaces.

But are they better than the line they replace, the iClass SE? In this report, we examine HID's claims and share their feedback, including:

  • Signo's initial 4 reader models, including a new mullion keypad type reader
  • Comparing pricing for Signo to the existing iClass SE
  • Why HID's explanation of Signo's longer read distances are confusing
  • How the 3 new 'Credential Profiles' impact which cards can be used
  • HID plans for iClass SE?
  • What Signo's 'Surface Detection Read Optimization' means
  • What the plans are for RB25F Fingerprint readers
  • What impact from Signo dropping 'Clock & Data' support

Signo ****** ******

*** **** ***** ***** ****** *** both ******* *** ****** ******* *** touts '********* ******* *********' ** '******** read ***********' **** ******* ** ************* challenging ******** **** ***** ****** ** turnstiles.

** ******,***** ******** **** ******:

  • ******* (**): *** ******* ***** ***** measures ~*.*" * *.*" * *.*", with * ***** **** ******* ** ~70 **.
  • ******* **** ****** (***): *** ********* in *** ****** ** ******, *** 20K ** * **** ******* ***** reader **** * * * * capacitive ******, ******* ** ******* ** ~75 **.
  • ****-***** (**): *** ****-***** **** ******** ~ *.*" * *.*" * *.*" and ***** ** ******* ** ~** mA.
  • ****-***** **** ****** (***): *** ****-***** unit **** * * * * capacitive ****** ***** ~** **.

Signo ** ***** ***** **** ****** **

*** ** *** ******* *********** ** the ***** ****** ** ****** **** than ********** ****** ** ******.

*** ***** ** **** **** ******* for ***** ** ~**% - **% less **** ********** ****** ** ******:

  • *******: *** **** ** $***, *** Signo ** ** $***
  • ****-*****: *** **** ** $***, *** Signo ** ** $***
  • ****-***** **** ******: *** ***** ** $630, *** ***** *** ** $***

Three "********** ********" ********* ********** *************

*** ** ******** *** '**********' ********** for ***** *** ****** ******** ** read **** *** *** ****-********* ********** formats, *** ******* ** ******** ******* into ***** ********* ********** ******** ** read * ******* '**** **** **' formats:

*** ** *** ***** ******** *** 'mobile-enabled, ******* *** *** ** ****** *****************. *******, ************* ***** ******** ******* varies **** ***** ********:

  • ********: ****** **, **, ****** ******, MIFARE ******* ***/***, ****** *******, *** kHz ****/******/******
  • ****: **** **** ****** *** ****** SEOS *******
  • *****: ****** **, **, ****** ******, MIFARE ******* (*** ****), *** *** MIFARE ******* ***/***, ****** ******* *** or *** *** ***-********* *******.

*** ***** ********** *** ****** **.** MHz ***-**** ***********, *** '****' ******* is **** *** **********. ******** '**********' users ***** ** *****'* '********' *******. The '*****' ******* ******** ***-*** **.** MHz ***********.

Signo ********** ********* & ******

******* ******* ******** ** **** ***** includes ******/*** *** **** ******* ** integrated *******, ****** *** ****** *** additional ******* *** ** ****** **:

***** *** ***** ****** ******** ********** support *** **** ********* *** ****, which *** ********** **** ******* ** iCLASS **.

*** *********/******** *** *** ***** *** recommended ************* ** ****** **, ********* the **** ******* ********** *************, **** support *** *** *** ****, **** notice * *********** ***** ********* ****** their ********** ** *** *****.

*** ******* ********* *** ~$** - $75 ** *** ***** ** ** iClass ** ******, *** *** ******** in *** **** ***** ** ***** models.

Claimed ***** ****** **** *****?

*** ** *** **** *********** ****** of ***** ** ****** **** ****** than ******** *******.

*******, ********* ******** ****** ** ** Signo, **** ****** ****** ****** *** same, ********* ~*.* ** * ****** for ****** ****** ** *** ******:

*********, *** '******* *****' *** ****** SE ****** ******* ** ****** ********* ****** *****, ***** ******** * claimed **** ******** ** '* - 5 ******' (~*.* - **.*') ***** a ******* *********** *** **********, *** typical **.** *** *********** **** **** shorter *********.

***** *****'* **** ****** ** *** appear ************* *********, ** ***** *** to *******:

*** **** ********** ************, *** ***** read ***** ** ****** **** ****** SE. *** *** ***** **** ********* this *** ** ****** **** ********* will ********** **** ***********. *******, **** reference ** *** ********** **** ********* a ********** ** *** ** **** chosen ** ******* *** **** *****.

***'* ******** *********** ****** * ******* environment ****** ** *** ********* *** now **** ********** ********** ****** ***** previously *********** '** *** **********':

** ****** **, ** ********* ******* that **** ************ ***** ** ********** conditions. **** ******** **** ********* ******* challenges ******* ***** ************ ****** ******* the *** **********. ****, **** *** Signo, **’** *********** *** ************** ********* improvements *** ******** *** ******** *********** internally *** **** ****** ** ******* conservative ****** **********.

Read ******** ******** ******

**** ***** ** **** ***** ****** in '********' ******* **** ********* *********.

No ***-**-**** *** ****** **

*** ******* ********* ** ********* ***-**-**** plans *** ****** ** ******* ** Signo ******* *********. **** ****** ** product **** ****** '********* *********' ** listed *****'* ******* ******* **************:

***** ** ** ****** ** *** other *** ******* ***** ** * result ** **** ******.

*** ***, ****** ** ******* *** still ** ****** ******** **** **** support **** *** ******. **** ** discontinue ****** *********, ** **** ******** to ** ** *********** **** ************* for *** ********** **** ** ********** our ******** *** ********* **** ** make.

'Surface ********* **** ************'

** ***** *** ** ******* *** automatic ************ ****** ** *** ** antennas ***** ** *** ******** *******. HID *********:

************ **** *********** ***** ******/****** *** reader ****** **** *********** ** *********** credentials (*** **** * ****** *********). HID ***** ******** *** ******* *** Signo ******* ** ****** * ********* surface *** ************* ****** ***** ********* settings ** ******** *** *********** ** these **********.

**** ** ********** ***** *** *********** that *** ** ******** ******* ** mullions, *********, ***** ******** *** *** rings, ** ****** **********.

*** ******* ********** **** ******* ** automatic ****** *** *** ******** ** technical *********** ** ********. *** ****** has '**********' ****** ** ***** *********** based ** ******** **********:

*** ********* ********* ** ******* *** recalibration ** *** ***** ********* ******** happens ** *** ****** ** ********* powered *** *** **** *** ****** sensor ** *********. ***** ** ********** impact ** *** *** ** *** power *********** ** *** ****** ** a ****** ** **** ****** ***********.

Plans ** ******* ***** *********** ** * ***** *****

**********, ***** **** ******* ********* ******, including *** ******** ******** *********** ****** RB25F.

*** ********* *** ******** ****** ***** be ************ ** ***** ***** * new ******* ** ******** ** ********:

[*** *****] ** ** ********** *** RB25F ** **** ** **** **** the ***** ******. *** ******* **** be ********** **** ** ******** ********/******** update.

*** **** ** *** ******* *****'* performance, *** ****** *********** ****** ************.

No ***** & **** *******

***** ******* ** *** ******* ***** & **** *************, ******* *** ***** time *** *** ******** ******* **** do *** ******* *** ********.

**** **** *** *******, ***** & Data ** * ************* ******** (****** uni-directional) **** ** ******** ********** **** between ******* *** ***********. *******, **** Wiegand, ** ** *** ********* *** is ****** ******** ** ********.

******** ** *******, ***** & **** is *** ******** **** ***** *** offers ** *********** **********. *******, ***** legacy *** ** *** ******** ** older *******, ** ** * ****** option ** **** *******, ********* ******** generation ****** ** ******.

** ***** *** *** ******* ** Signo's ******* ***** & **** *******, and **** ********* **** ** ******** circumstances *******, **** **** **-*** *** current *** ** ** *** ** is *******:

** *** ******* ******, *** ***** supports ******* *** ****. ***** & Data ** *** ********* ** *** Signo ** **** ****. *** ********** and ******** ******* **** ****** ******** has ******* ****** ****** ** **** but ** **** ******** ** ******* customer ******** *** ******** *** ****** to *** **** ********** *** * firmware ******.

Comments (35)
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Scott Fischer
Mar 06, 2020
Lorica Consulting LLC • IPVMU Certified

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Mar 06, 2020
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Mar 09, 2020

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Mar 09, 2020
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Mar 10, 2020

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Mar 06, 2020
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Mar 06, 2020
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Shannon Davis
Mar 09, 2020
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Brian Rhodes
Mar 09, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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Mar 06, 2020

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**** *** **** ******* ****** ******* iClass **?

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 06, 2020
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***

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Ralph Azzi
Mar 06, 2020
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Mar 06, 2020

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Jun 27, 2020

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Mar 10, 2020
COR Security, Inc.

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Undisclosed Integrator #3
Mar 10, 2020

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 10, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 10, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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Undisclosed
Mar 10, 2020

*** ***** ******* ******** ***?

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 10, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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Undisclosed End User #1
May 01, 2020

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May 01, 2020
COR Security, Inc.

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Dave Gideon
Aug 12, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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May 06, 2020

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Brian Rhodes
May 06, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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Undisclosed Integrator #5
Aug 11, 2020

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Undisclosed #6
Aug 12, 2020

*** ************ *** ******* ***** ** probably **** *** ****. *** ******** won't **** *** *** ***** ***** reader **** ******** ******/**** ***** **** only **** ** ******* **** **** out ** *****-******** ******* **** ********* readers. ** ** *** ****'* **** paying *** * *********** ******...

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David Coughlin
Aug 11, 2020

** ***** *** **** ** *** readers ***** *** ***** *****?

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 11, 2020
IPVMU Certified

******* *** *** *** ****** ** still ** *** *** *******, *** HID ***** ** **** *** ***** line/development ******* ** ***** ********* *** this ***** ******.

U
Undisclosed #7
Aug 12, 2020

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John Honovich
Aug 12, 2020
IPVM

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Shannon Davis
Aug 12, 2020
IPVMU Certified

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(1)
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Brian Rhodes
Aug 12, 2020
IPVMU Certified

*** ***** ******** ******* ** **** V.2 ** **********.

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 12, 2020
IPVMU Certified

***** **** ******* *********.