Network Optix / Hanwha Cloud Access Tested

Published Jul 02, 2019 16:13 PM

****** ***** ****** ** ******** * bigger **************, ** ************* ****** ********** the ******** ** **** ********** *** many *********** *** ***** ******** **** the *********** ** ****.

IPVM Image

******* ***** (*** *** ******* ****) have * *****-** ****** ***** ****** feature, *******. *** **** **** ******* work? ** ****** ** **** ******* Optix *** ******* ******** ** **** as *** ****** ****, ******* *** findings **:

  • **** *** *** ************ *** ***********
  • *** **** ****** ********* *******
  • **** ******* *** *********
  • *** ** ** **********

****, ******** ****** ***** ****** ********* **** *** *** *** ******** cloud ****** ****** ********.

Note: ******* ***** *** *** ****

******* ***** **** *** ******** ** many. *************. *** ** **** *** space ***********, ** ****** *** ******** software *** ***** *** ****** ****. Other ******* ***** *** ******** *******:****** ***(*****),******* ********(**),**********,******(*******, **********),********* *********(*****),******(*******)

*******

******* *** **** **** ********* ******** in *** *****, **** *** ******** performed ******* ****** ** *** ***** and ****** *******, *** ************** *** configuration **** **** **** * *******.

** ******** * ******* ******** ** latency (* ****** ** ****) **** connecting ******* *** *****, ******** ** connecting ******** ** * ***** ******* Optix ***. ** ***** *-***** ** network ******* **** ******* *** *******, ~1% ** *** ***** *** ********** throughput, ** ***** ** *********** ******** from *** ****** ** *** ******.

*******, **** ******* **** ***** ** the ******* *** ******, ** ******** a *********** ******* ** ** - 30 *******, ***** ******* ***** ********* is ** ** ********.

************* ******** ***** ** ***** ******* preregistered ** ** ** ***** ******* from *** ***** ********* ****** ****** Management ****. ******* ****** ***** *** each ****** **** ** ********** **** that *****. *** *** ***** ***** created *** **** ******.

Cloud ** * *********

******* **** "*** ********* ****** ********** and **** *****" ****** ** ****** AWS, ***** ***** ***** *** ****** VMS ******* *** ********* ******** ** remote *******, *** ***** ** *** routed ******* *** *****. **** ** in ******** ** **** ***** *********, and***** ***** *****, ***** ****** *** ***** ******* through *** *****.

NxCloud ********

***** ** * *-****** ***** ***** we **** *** ******* ** ******** NxCloud, ********** ** ******* ***** ******* and ******* **** *** ******** *****:

Streaming *********** ***** / ******* ********** *******

**** ***** ***** *** ****** *******, we ***** ** ********** *********** **** viewing **** ** ******** ***** **** NxCloud. ***** *** * ******* ******** in *******, ********* * ****** ** less ******** ** ******* *******. **** is *** ** ******* ****** *** remote ******* *** ******** **********:

Web ****** ********* ******* ****

**** ******* **** ***** ******* *** NxCloud *** ******, ***** **** ** issues **** ******* **** ** ******** video, *******, ** ******** *********** ********** latency, ********* ******* ** *** ** seconds. ***** ** **** ********** **********, which ******* ********* ** **-**% *** also ******** ********* ***** *******:

IPVM Image

******* ***** ********* **** ** ********, noting **** *** *** ***** *** protocol, ****** **** ** "*** ********** developed *** **-****** ***** ********* *** later ******* *** ****". *** ******* says **** **** ***** ** *** webRTC *** ** ******* ****** ******* date *** ****.

Cloud *** ***** **** **********

******** ********* *** ********** ** *** cloud **** * ****** **** ****, "Cloud" (**** **** ** *** ***** example) ** ******** ** *** ******* Local ****. *** ***** ***** ******* an ***** ********** ** ******* ** the ***** ******.

IPVM Image

All ******* *********

** *** ** ****** ***** *****, mobile ** *** ******* **** ** Cloud *** **** ****. *** ********** is ********* **** ********** ******** ** remote, ***** **** * ***** ***** or **** **** ** *** ***** right-hand ****** **** ********* * ***** user ******* ** *********.

No ****************

** ***** *** **** **** *** their *** ***** ********. ******* ** the ********* ****** *** ***** **** to ******* ** * **** *** (and ****-*****), ******* *** **** **** do *** ***** *** **** ******* and ****** ** ****** **************.

No ********** *********

***** ** ** ********** ********** ******* or ******** ***/******* ************* *** ******* or **** ****.

Competitive **********

******* (*** *** ****) ** * direct **********/***** *******, *********** ***** *****, ***** *** ***** ** ****** through ***** *******. ***** ***** ***** also ******** ** ****** *** ************ for **** ********** *** ***** **** streaming. ********* **** *** ***** ****** remote ***** ******. **********-******* ***** ******* and ******** ***** ********* ***** *** subscription-based ********.

Comments (42)
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Matthew Del Salto
Jul 02, 2019
Hudson Security

******* *** *** **** *** ** Spectrum ** **** ** ******** *** most ********* ***** ** *** ***** now.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Jul 02, 2019

** ****'* ***** ** ***. ** Spectrum = ******* ********, ***** ** under *** *** *******.

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MD
Matthew Del Salto
Jul 02, 2019
Hudson Security

***** * ***** ** *** *****!

JH
John Honovich
Jul 03, 2019
IPVM

******** *** **** ********* ***** ** USA ***** ***

**** *** ** **** **** *** a *** ** *********, *** ** know! :)

** **** ****** ** * **** point *** **. **** *** ***** that **** *** **** *** *** since *** ***** ** **, *** me *******.

****** *** ****** *** ****** **** DW. **** *** **** ****** ********* (either ******** ** **********) *** ****** Techwin *** ***** * *** **** in ****** *********** *** ** ***** organization *********.

**** **** **** *** *** **** software ** ******* *** * *** long **** **** ************* (** ***** for *** ** **** ** *** other ******** ******* *****). ** ****** to ***** **** **** ** ******* Hanwha *** ******* **** *** ***** they *** ******. ** ** ********* them ** ****** ***** **** (****** Techwin **** * ***** *** *** not * ***** ******), ** *** certainly **** ** ******** ****** ** adding **.

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U
Undisclosed #2
Jul 03, 2019
IPVMU Certified

...****** ******* **** * ***** *** was *** * ***** ******...

** ****** ******* ** * ****** player **** ******* ******* **** ***?

** ****’* **** **** ******* *** Samsung **** *******, *** ***** ***** they ***** ** ***? ;)

MD
Matthew Del Salto
Jul 03, 2019
Hudson Security

***** *** *** *** ********. **** my *** ********** * **** *********** use ** *** **** ***** **** they ****** ****. **** **** **** have **** ****** ******* *** ***** line ** *******, ********** *** *** that ** * *** ******.

* *** **** ******* ******* * know * **** ****** ** *********** in *** *** *** **** *** nx ******** *** *** ** ***** DW ********** ** **** ***'* ***** Hanwha ******* *****.

** ***** ********** ********* **** ** which *** *** *** ******* ****** share/userbase?

** *** ***** ** **********, ** bake *** *** *******.

;)

***** ***.

 

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Scott Smith
Jul 04, 2019
IPVMU Certified

*** ***, *** ** *** **** Hanwha *** ** *** ***** ******** from ****. ****'* *** **** **** more. ;-)

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Roy Nilsen
Jul 08, 2019

** * ** ***, * *** **** you **** ***’* *** ****. *** licenses *** ******** ************* *** **** are *** *************** ****** *** *********. Several ******* ***** *** *** ***** differences *** ** ****** ***** **** to ******. ** *** **** ******** involved **** ******* ****** **** *** beginning *** ****** *** **** ******* recently.

 * ***** ****** ***** ******’* ****** footprint **** **** ***** ********** “***** up” ** ** *** ***** ******** is * *** *********. *** *******, you *** *** ***** ***** **** other *** ******** **** ********* ***** they **** * *** ******** ** partnering ** **** ***** *******. **********, although ** ***** **** **** ***** camera/VMS ********, *** ******** ** **** of * ****** ********. ****, ** has * **** ****** ******** (*********) offering **** ******* ** * ***** spectrum (*** ********) ** ************. **** BJMini *** *** *** ** *** BJ-xRack ***** *** ******** **********. 

* *** *** **** ***** **** the **** ******* ** ** ******** as **** ********* *** ****** ********. However, * ****** ******** ***** ** to ****** ** **’* ******** ******** and *** ***** ******* *** *** advanced ** ** ** ******** *** only **** * *****, **** ********* product ***** *** ******** ******** **** as *** *-****. 

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jul 07, 2019
Pro Focus LLC

*’** **** **** **** ** **** Nx ** ** ******. *** **** is **** *** *** ***** **** factor **** ****** ****** **? ***** Hanwha ** ******** ** *** *** DW ** ****?

JH
John Honovich
Jul 07, 2019
IPVM

** ************* ** **** ** ** an ******** *** ******** ***** ** Network *****.

* ***'* **** *** ** *********** specifically ***** **** **** ******* *****. However, ********* ********, *** *** '*******' a ******* ******* ****** ***% *********. So, ** **** ********, * ***'* think ******, ** **** ************** ****** to *** *** ******* *****, ***** have ** *** *** **'* *****.

U
Undisclosed #2
Jul 07, 2019
IPVMU Certified

...* ***'* ***** ******, ** **** hypothetically ****** ** *** *** ******* Optix, ***** **** ** *** *** DW's *****.

******** ***** *** ** ******* ********* put ** ***** ** *** **** of *** ** ********** **** ***** restrict **** * ****.  

JH
John Honovich
Jul 07, 2019
IPVM

***** ******** **** * ****

******** *********, ***** * ***'* **** the ********* ****, *** **** ****** element ***** ** * ***** ** first *******, ****** * ***** ***** would ** ******** ** ***** * detail ** ****** ** **** ***** party *** ******* ** *** **** than **. 

U
Undisclosed #2
Jul 09, 2019
IPVMU Certified

...*** **** ****** ******* ***** ** a ***** ** ***** *******...

***, **** ***** **********.  *** * was ******** **** ***** *** ***** of * *********** ****** *********, **** wouldn’t *********** ***** *** ****, *** drive *** ***** ****** ** *** case ** ** *********(**** **’* ***********) bid.

*** ***** *’** **** ******* *** many ******...

JH
John Honovich
Jul 09, 2019
IPVM

******** **** ***** *** ***** ** a *********** ****** *********

******* ****? * ** *** ** ****** in **** **** *** ** ************* is **** ***** *** ***** *** publicly ****** ********* **** **** ************ via ****** ****** ******.

***** ******* ***** ** *******, ******** wanted ** *** ** ***** **** to ********* **** *** ***** / major ************ **********. ** *** *** Network ***** ******** ***** **** **, this ** * **** ******** ** be, ******* *** **** *** *********** of ******* ******, **, *** ********* outside ******* ** *** ******* **** other.

U
Undisclosed #2
Jul 02, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** **** ********* **** *** ******?

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Matthew Del Salto
Jul 02, 2019
Hudson Security

*** *** *********** **** * ****** email *****

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U
Undisclosed #2
Jul 02, 2019
IPVMU Certified

****’***** *** ;)

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
Jul 02, 2019
U
Undisclosed #2
Jul 02, 2019
IPVMU Certified

**** *****.  * *** **** ** when ****** *** *** ********** ** was ** **.

** *** *****, * *** ** in **** **********, *** * *** more ** **** ********* ***.  *** John **** *** ****** ** ***** trouble :)

****** *********, * ***** *** ******* should *** *** **** *** ********* in **, ** ****’* **** ** is. *** ***** ****** ** ********** minimal ****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
Jul 03, 2019

**** *** **** ** *** ******* DW, **** ** *** ***** **** are ****** **** ******* ***** ********?

MM
Michael Miller
Jul 03, 2019

** ** *** *** **** ** the **.

** ** **** ******* **** **** plus ** **** *** ******* ****** then ****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #5
Jul 03, 2019

* **** **** *** **** ******** are ****** **** ** ** ** public ********.  ** ********* *****, ****** has **** **** ******* *** ****** analtyics.  ****** **** ***** *** ***, vs. ******* ***** *** ****** *******.

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Michael Miller
Jul 03, 2019

**** ** **** ** ** ** I **** **** ** *** **** running.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
Jul 03, 2019

** **** ** *********** ** *** what *** ****** *****.

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Charles Baker
Jul 08, 2019

** *********** *** *** **** ** purchase ******* ***** ********, ********** *** to ***** ********* ********** **** ** and ****. **** ** ***** ** an ************ * *** **** ******* Optix **** * *** ******* *** platform. * ***** *** **** ********.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
Jul 04, 2019

***** *******. *** #*. 

*********** **** ** ** *** *** sale ** *** ** ****** *** based *** ** **********. *'** ***** **** about ** ***** ****** *******. * wonder *** **** **** ******* ***** support. **'** **** ** **** ** a **** *****. 

********* *** **** ** * *** connectivity ******** *** ***** ******, ** this *** *********** *** **** ******** as *** *** ******* ******** *********** a ****** **********, **** ****** * network? 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #7
Jul 04, 2019

* ***** **** **.
**** **** **** ** *** ** if *** *** ******** ** *** 50k ********. ;-)

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JH
Jay Hobdy
Jul 06, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** ***** *** ****** ** ** DW ** ***** ** ******* ****** from *** *******? * **** ***** is **** *** *** ** ***** it *** * **** ** * standard ********?

 

*** ***** *** ** ***** *** me * ****** ******** ** ****. Is ***** * *** ** **** the ***** ******* * ***** *******? I ***'* **** **** ***** ******, I **** *** ****** *****/***** *******. When * *** **** ******* *** try ** ****** *** ***** *****, I ***'* ******* * ** ****** in *** *** ***** *** *** the ***** *******.

 

 

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David McNeill
Jul 08, 2019

*** "***" *** ** ***** ****** from *** *** ******* ********* ** port **** **....

**** **** (*** ***** ******)
  ****** *******
  ******** (** *** **** ****)
    ****** ********** (****/***/*******)
    ***** ***** [** *** *** temporary *** ** **** ******** ******] (Opens * *** ****** **********)
    **** ****. ***** ** * Matroska ***** ***

** *******, *** *** **** *** a *** ** * **** ******, so *** *** **** ** ** other ******** **** ***.

*** *** **** ******** ****** ** video ****************...
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$*** = "*****://" . $****->******** . ":" . $****->**** . "/***/" . $row['uuid'] . ".***?***=" . $***['*****'] . ":00.000&duration=" . $********;
*'** **** * ***** *** ***** end *** *** ***** ******, ** they *** ******* **** *** ****** of *****, **** ** ******** *****/**** time & ****** ******, *** ******* them ** * ******* *****-**** *** local ****** ** ********.  **** *********** than ****** ********* **** ***** ******, download, ****** ***, *** **** ******* controlled **** ****** *** ***** *****.

 

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Sean Patton
Jul 08, 2019

***,

* ****** **** **** ****** ******** regarding *****/***** ********, *** ****** ** know ** *** ***** *******. *** example, ***** ** * ***** "*****" account ***** *** *** ***** **** of *****, *** * ***** ***** account ***** ** *** ***** ******* used ** ****/******* **** *******:

** *** *** ****** ***** ****** the ***** "*****" ******* * ***** Owner *******, ** **** ******** *** cloud ***** ******* *****/********** ****?

JH
Jay Hobdy
Jul 09, 2019
IPVMU Certified

****, ** *** *** ** ********, and ****** **** ******* ******* ** in ** **** **** ****.

 

* ** ******* ***** ****** *** actual ***** ******* * ***** *******.

 

*** ****** ***** ** ** *** remoting ** *** *** *****, *** if ** **** ** ****** *** email ******* ** *** "*****" ******* we ***'*. ** **** ** *** in ** *** ****** ** * local ******* *******, *** *** ** the ******, *** ** ** *** admin, **** *** *******, **** *** out *** **** ** ** *** viewer.

 

** ****** **** ** **** * time, *** **** ** ******* ** the ****** ** ** **** *** it ** **** *** ******* ***** address.

 

** **** ***** *** *******@, **** opted ** *** * *** ***** alerts@ ** *** *** ************* **** into *** ********* ****** 

 

** *** ****, **** ******** *** it *****.

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Sergey Bystrov
Jul 08, 2019
NetworkOptix

*** 

** ********** ***** ** ******* *** web ********** ****** ***** ****** ******** into *** *******:  ***** ******, ****** ********, recording ********, ******** **** ********** ***.

***** ****** ***** ** *** ***** **** right ***** ** ******* ********* ** currently ******* ** *** **** *** design ************* (** ** **** * consistent ***** ****** *** ***** *** server **********).
 
*'* *** **** * ********** **** second ********, ** *'** ****** * few.
 
 
*** ** ** **** ***** *****/***** and ***** ***** ******* ** *** same **** ** **** * ****** cloud-connected?
(*** ** **** ** "*****" ***** we **** ********* *** ****** *** there ** **** **** ** ****..).
** ** ******, ***** ** **** originally ********** ***** ******* ** **** thinking ** **** ** ******* ** optionally ***** ***** ***** *******(***** **'* not ****** ** ***** *******).
** ****** ** **** ** ***** we **** ****** ** *** ******** "cloud ****" *** **** ** ********** we ** ** *** ***** *********. We ******* ** ********* ***** ******* as * **** ******* *** **** mainstream ***** ********** **** ** **.
*** **** ******, ** *** ******** version *** **** *** **** ****** avoid ******** ***** ***** *******.
** ******** ******** **, ** ***** is ** **** *** *** ***** "admin" ** **** * **** ***** a ****** ** *** *****.
****** *** **** *** *******(**** ** give *** ** ****)
 
** ***** *** ********* ** ******** or ******** *** ***** ******* **** is **** ** **** * ********* Server ** *******? ***** **** ************* and **** ************ **** *** *** account?  
*** *****, *** ** **** ********* "ownership ********" ******* ****.
 
 
I'm ****** ** ** ***** *****. *** ******'* * ****** ***** ***** *-****?
***/****** ****. **** ** *******.
 
 
What's *** ********** ******* ***** *** *************?
***** *** 
- *******/********** ****** **** *** ***** 
- ***** *******(***** ***** ******* ******** from *.*)
- ******* ***** **************
 
 
****** *** ** **** ** *** have **** *********!
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Jon Dillabaugh
Jul 08, 2019
Pro Focus LLC

******, *** ** *** *** ***** coming *****? **** ****** ** ****** DWS *.* **** *** ********* **** spring?

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Sergey Bystrov
Jul 09, 2019
NetworkOptix

*** 

** *** ********* *.* ****** *** next ******* *****. ***** ***** *** some *********** ******** ************, *** *** not **** *** *** *** **. We ***** ******* ** ** ***** after.

... *** ** *** ******, **'** do *** **** ** ***** **** big ********(******* ***** *** *.* ***** several *****). ** **** ** **** small ******** ** **** ******** ******** see *** ****** ******.  

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Sep 21, 2019

****'* **** ****

****** ****** *** **** *** **** it ***** *** ** ** *** this ****** ***** ******* ***** ********** released *.*?

PK
Patrick Kelly
Sep 21, 2019

***

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PK
Patrick Kelly
Sep 21, 2019

**#*

** *** *** ****** **** ** is ********.

** *** ** ******* *** ****** within *** ***** ** ***** ******** release.

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JH
Jay Hobdy
Jul 09, 2019
IPVMU Certified

******, ******* ******** **** ** ****** will ** * ****** **** *******.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #8
Jul 09, 2019

******* ******* *****, **** ***** ******** *** manufactures **** * ******* *** "*****" "*** traversal ****** ********** *** **** *****" design?

*** *** ***** * ******* ***** ******* Optix ******* **** ** ** ** its ********* ******** ** ******** ***'* from **** ***** ******** ****. *** cheaper **** ******/********** *** *******, *** hard ** ******* **** ** ***** business ***** ** ***** ****** **********. If ****** *** * ************** *** these **** ** ******* *** ** know. 

 

 

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David McNeill
Jul 09, 2019

*** *** **** ***'** ******* **** value ***** *****? ********* *** **** they *** ***.  ** **** **** want ***-***** *** *****, **** ****'* what **** ***.  ** **** **** the ******** ******** ** * ******* like **, **** **** *** ***** cost, ** *****'* **** *** ****.

*** **** **** *** ********* **** search, ***** ******* ******** *** ******, outstanding *********, *** *** ******* ** build ** ** * ***** ********, thereby ****** ** ******, ********, ******** & ************.

* **** ********* **** ****** ***** the ***** **** **** **** *** system ** *** *******, *** *** real ***** ** **** **** **'* there *** **** **** **** ****** need **, ******** & *****. 

***** **** * ****** ****** ** cameras ** **** *** ******* ****** down, *** *** *** ****** *********** itself.

JH
Jay Hobdy
Jul 09, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** ****** **** ***** **** ** you *** **** *** *** ***. We *** * ******* ******** *********, and *** ** ** * ****/******** session *** ** ** *** *** rest ** *** **** ** ** speed. ** **** ******* **** * or * ***** ******* ********.

 

***** ** ******* *** *** ***** on ***** ***, *** *** ** explain *** ****** ******** *** *** they **** **** **, ** * 1 **** **** *****, **** *** have ** ******, ***. **** ******.

 

**** ** *** *** ******** ********. Without * *****, ** *** ** far *** ****** ******** ** ***.

 

********* ** *** ***** **** *** better, **** ***** ********/******* *** ** software **** * *** ** ***** cameras *** ***** *******. ** *** taking **** ******** ** **** **** DW. *** ***** ********** ** **** projects ** **** **** *% *** our ******** ******* ******* * *** of ********, *******, **********, *** ** cameras *** ******** * ***** *******.

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Mark Espenschied
Jul 09, 2019

*** ************ ******* ************ *** ******* Watchdog® (**®) **** ************** **** *** a ******* ** *******.

** **** ** * "**** **** you **** *** ** ******" ******** climate. *******, ** ** ********* ** me ** * **® **** *** you ** ********** **** ******* *** involvement ******** ** ****, *** *** (by ******** **** *** **** ** call **) ***** *** ** **** it ** *****, *** ******/******* ***** have *** ** ******** ** ********* it. **** ** ** *******. **** day ***, **® *** *** **** a ******* ******** ** ************. **® personnel **** **** ********* ****** ** the *********** ** *** ********.

**** * ************* **********,**® *** ********** **** ****** **** **. ******** and *** ***** ******* ***** ** are ******** ** *******. **** ****** or *******? *** *** *** **** to ******. ******* ** *** **** pointed *** *** **** ** *** title ** **** ****** *** **** Mr. ********'* ***********. ** ** **********. DW® **** ******** *** *** **** on **** ******* *** ***** **** we *** ***** *** *************.

**** ****, **® ** ** * unique ******** ** **. ****** ******* earlier ** **** ******. ** **** sell *** ******** *** ** ********® IPVMS *** *** **** (** ** always **** ** ******** *** ****** and ****** ********), *** ** ****** hope **** *** **** ******** *** line ** *********® ******* (*** ****™ edge *******) **** **** **** ** Spectrum® *********, *** **** ******* *** or **** ********* ********.

* **** ******* *** ** **** to ******* *** ******* ***** ****** management ** "*****" (**** *** ****).

**® *** **** * *********** ********** to ******* * ****** *** *** to ******* *** ****® ** ****™ NVRs *** ****® ** ****™ ****. I ******* **** ******* ** ** a ************ ******** ** *** *** value *** **** ** ****-********** ***** over ******* **************.

*** *** **** *** ** ****** C3™ *** "*******, *******, ***********." ** includes ** ***** ****** **** **** as * ******** ********.

**** ** *** ******* *** ******** features *** **** **** ** **** in ** ********® (*********, ****) **** been ***** **** **™. *** **** will ******** ** ** *****.

** *** **** ** ********® ** "Built *** *****."™ **** *** *** C3™ *** ****** ********** ** *** NVRs *** ****, *** ***** *** the **** ***** **** *** ********.

******: **** ******* *** **** ***** to *** *** **********:**® **** ******** *** *** **** On **** ******* *** ***** **** We *** ***** *** *************.

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