ISC West 2019 Report

In reply to Undisclosed End User #1

Can you give us more on real networks?

Try it for yourself. Now with less spyware, nag screens, and ads.

I can't believe this is still a thing.

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Dan Gelinas

IPVM

Hey UI #2, I've put in a link to our previous coverage of Real Networks' SAFR face rec solution. You can see that story here.

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Campbell Chang

Does it still require awful plugins?

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

Sorry, Dan. I mistook UE #1's comment as sarcasm. I did not realize it was a legitimate inquiry into RealNetworks security product.

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John Honovich

IPVM

More added on Avigilon, FLIR, Hanwha, Speco, and Salto

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified

looks like Speco updated their promo with some local late-night camera work:

Trademark Speco Smooth Blurring.

It’s impressive, but I’d like to see some shots at at 3:00 AM to be sure ;)

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Undisclosed End User #1

That sure does look like a stock image to me, especially with the time lapse of the vehicle movement.

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Undisclosed End User #1

IPVMU Certified

sorry if it wasn’t clear that I was joking.

I used that picture because

1) it’s Vegas

2) the time lapse reminds of Speco’s slow shutter and resultant motion blur

3) it illustrates that the time of day is irrelevant

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Undisclosed #11

Video Surveillance Cameras IP

Winner – Speco Technologies: Ultra Intensifier (ISC West Booth 20053)

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

Is that "Pay to Win"?

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

Request to IPVM:

Can you provide any data back on the following from Avigilon?

H5A cameras - what they look like, what models they have planned, if they will be more costly than H4A, and if they will completely replace the H4A line.

ACC7 - Is there any grandfathering in of recently purchased licenses. What features beyond focus of attention will be released with it? Right now it just appears to be improved licensing and focus of attention is available in ACC 6.14 as a beta feature.

Analytics - any new features beyond Unusual Motion Detection and appearance search? They have to be making use of some of the new H5A analytics capabilities somehow.

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Sean Patton

UI2

As noted in the report, the H5A cameras will have the same external form factor size as the H4A cameras, with new internal hardware. When I asked them about pricing, they aren't announcing it yet, but said that pricing would be similar to H4A, not significantly more expensive.

Avigilon said there is a 6 month grace period for anyone who purchases ACC6 and wants to upgrade to ACC7 when it is released.

They were not live demonstrating specific new analytics features, but mentioned there will be more classifications (e.g. car, truck, suv), the cameras are capable of tracking significantly more objects at the same time (said up to 4x more objects depending on the scene), and they are showing clips of location and speed based behavior modeling alerts.

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Undisclosed End User #9

Hi Sean, is there any chance that ACC7 will have an OS X / Linux client. The web client with ACC6 isn't cutting it.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Undisclosed End User #9

Hi Sean, is there any chance that ACC7 will have an OS X / Linux client. The web client with ACC6 isn't cutting it.

This is pretty unlikely. You're not the only person in the same boat. However, as popular as Apple has become in the last decade OS X is still a small portion of the market and the even portion of that market that uses ACC is even smaller.

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Sean Patton

In reply to Undisclosed End User #9

I asked Avigilon, and there is not an ACC7 OSX or Linux client

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Undisclosed End User #9

Have you tried running it through Crossover office? I have not tried in years but it may work.

https://www.codeweavers.com/products

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Thomas Carnevale

This is the 1st ISCW I've skipped in over 10 years & I'm not missing it at all because I'm confident the reporting here will be thorough. I remember over the years reading IPVM day recaps from my hotel room at night so that I could consume as much information as possible while engaging with new customers during the day.

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Thomas Carnevale

If I could choose my 'update' list it would be Briefcam, PDK, Isonas, Milestone and anything to do with open-platform cloud VMS (Arcules).

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Undisclosed End User #1

Registration day1 did not open until precisely 0730 with the Self registration not opening till much later like 0800. At the main registration area they were not handing out the coveted IPVM show bags, they only appear to be at some of the Kiosk locations.

To clarity I asked for an IPVM bag and the customer service person did not know what I was talking about and directed me to the floor.

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John Scanlan

In reply to Undisclosed End User #1

IPVM • IPVMU Certified

U1 - Thanks for the heads up! I checked in shortly after your post and the bags were in place. If you stop by the booth I have one for you.

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Undisclosed End User #1

In reply to John Scanlan

Thank you. Nice to meet you in person

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified

are (some) companies still persisting in their exploitative use of skimpily clad seductive show models, aka “booth babes” ?

if so, has anyone created a list (or floormap) of the booths at which the most outrageous and glaring examples of this egregious practice can be easily found?

stopping by each of these dubious vendors and pointedly (but discreetly) indicating your frank assessment of their continued use of this tawdry relic of a bygone era, might have an a impact on the direction they take in future shows.

obviously it might be difficult to make to all those booths, but everyone should consider using at least their “free” time in this manner, imho.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #19

Hey U3. I exhibited at ISC West and did a few walks on the show floor. Happy to report that I saw zero "booth babes"

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bashis mcw

Dahua, empowering by their secret and hidden Debug Console

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Undisclosed End User #4

Love to read your take on LenelS2, who their looking to appeal to, go toe-to-toe with and who you think has a stronger offering.

So much mystery around what this will look like...reminds me of that “Gabo” episode of the Simpsons.

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Brian Rhodes

In reply to Undisclosed End User #4

IPVMU Certified

Much of Le nelS2's Twitter promotion surrounding Day 1 has been related to incorporating OnGuard into S2's platform, like this 'See OnGuard in Magic Monitor' tweet:

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #21

In reply to Brian Rhodes

Putting OnGuard into Magic Monitor is like putting steel wheels on a Corvette!!

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Dennis Raefield

Security Integration, inc.

John: best most cost effective guerilla marketing: IPVM Bags are everywhere. IP Camera manufactures are quaking in their flip flops!

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

In reply to Dennis Raefield

No way this was John’s idea. He’s openly opposed to sales and marketing tactics (and people). Which one of you IPVM staffers came up with this good idea and how did you convince him to capitulate? Question two, where was your reasonable input when he decided to screw up the logo?

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John Honovich

IPVM

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

Is he really the example you want to use? I’m not a wrestling fan but I believe he’s widely mocked and universally hated right?

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John Honovich

IPVM

Sigh. I thought you would have responded with:

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Ryan Young

•Apr 18, 2019

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Ethan Ace

Speaking as the old man of IPVM employees:

Truth be told, I actually thought the bags were a nuts idea at the time (last year). I’m sold on it now.

And: I like the logo. It’s close to what I preferred when we picked the original one. I’m so happy to finally be gradient free.

What I’m sayin is, we are all about defying expectations over here.

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified

In reply to Ethan Ace

Speaking as the old man of IPVM employees...

wouldn’t your older brother actually be um... older?

;)

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Anthony Jones

Where are the bags made?

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Ryan Ace

In reply to Anthony Jones

IPVM • IPVMU Certified

The bags are made in Mexico.

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Undisclosed #6

Who's IPVM and why are they selling handbags at a security conference? :)

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Shannon Davis

In reply to Undisclosed #6

IPVMU Certified

Like, the new IPVM bags are the latest designer trend of all the trade shows. Didn't you know! :)

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Mike Trinklein

In reply to Shannon Davis

IPVM should have designed the NY Jets new uniforms, too.

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Sean Patton

Just added this morning, IBM's small booth was empty as of the afternoon of Day 1:

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

"That, gentleman, is not just a sleeping [company], but a sad metaphor... for what was once the most powerful [company] in the world..."

Inspired by a scene from "The Crown".

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified

IBM is just operating in steath mode in the video analytics space.

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Undisclosed Distributor #8

In reply to Brian Rhodes

Watson has determined that physical trade shows are a thing of the past.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #8

Too bad Watson forgot to tell accounts payable which bought the space.

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Shannon Davis

IPVMU Certified

Watson was scared that HAL was right behind the curtain. The little red light on the floor.

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Hal Bennick

In reply to Shannon Davis

Trafficware, a CUBIC Company

Nah, I couldn't make it this year.

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Ethan Ace

We've added info on Tyco/JCI's dual imager facial recognition camera/reader:

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

In reply to Ethan Ace

Didn't Ganz have something like that? It looks strangely familiar, though I could be wrong.

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Undisclosed End User #10

If possible, would you visit Qognify's booth to report out if they are showing more than Ocularis?

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Undisclosed #11

this aint Ocularis they are showing

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Undisclosed #11

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Undisclosed End User #10

Thank you for the pics. I've only heard of Situator and I believe a large Florida airport uses it.

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Undisclosed #11

also - Qognify Training page shows zero Ocularis classes in the foreseeable future...

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Undisclosed End User #10

Because it's still on the OnSSI training page.

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Undisclosed #11

oh. you mean the page of the brand that doesn't exist anymore?

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Undisclosed End User #10

Yep. Company takeovers are fast and easy compared to building a good website.

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Undisclosed #11

equally difficult - apparently - is the ability to incorporate recent takeover companies products into your industry booth more than 3 months after the takeover.

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Undisclosed Integrator #12

The Qognify Twitter account mentioned something about a press conference. Were you able to attend that?

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Undisclosed #18

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #12

I am interested in what they announced as well. All I could find was a LinkedIn photo mentioning the press conference.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/qognify/

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC

So is Avycon a known Trump supporter, you know the whole Build a Wall thing? :p

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Undisclosed End User #1

No new material for day 2, this looks like day 1’s report retitled

Would love to see a report dedicated to those companies that won product showcase awards at the show.

Two of the things I saw and think is a game changer in the field of security robotics is Cobalts door integration. That a robot on security patrol can open doors with access control without human intervention is amazing. Similarly Drone core showing a drone that can operate persistently untethered over a target area through an automated hot swap of batteries. Wow!

Lots of fence and gate companies, one that stood out is RSSI’s vehicle gate operator. Servo driven so precise control at high speeds. No more slamming gates into posts and due to speed reducing opportunities for tailgaters. Plus runs on DC voltage like their wedge barriers so it can be backed up using batteries.

In addition to all the booth babes and booze at the show did you see that cable porn over at the life safety booth? Wowzers... (FYI cable porn is a beautiful cable installs. https://www.reddit.com/r/cableporn/ as opposed to Cable gore)

I was at one booth today Vosker and they said they were not allowed to sell product on the floor but then a couple booths down there was this team selling cellphone cases and headphones. ‘Also what’s up with the non security related items like cosmetics, messaging chairs, cellphone cases etc?

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Undisclosed Integrator #13

Next time use a a stabilizer for your video, I got dizzy watching it.

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John Honovich

IPVM

Updates:

Reed says that attendance is up 4% (preliminary stats), which would be up ~1,000 vs ~30,000 last year.

The show will be in mid-March next year ( March 17-20). We are not sure what impact that will have. It might be better to have more announcements and meetings earlier in the year. Weather average will be ~5° colder (high average 70° vs 75°) though IPVM team does not go outside during the show at all...

Show mangement commented:

there are always many factors for venue planning – including working around Easter and Passover, total space and meeting rooms availability and more. We’ll always be in the second half of March to first half of April timeframe.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

We’ll always be in the second half of March to first half of April timeframe

That is disappointing news. That time frame is the heart of the quoting season and simultaneous Spring construction ramp-up.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

I guess everyone has different busy periods. We're commercial only and 1st quarter is usually always the slowest with slow but steady leadup to the end of the year.

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Steve Beck

Biggest impact for ISC West going to mid March is hotel rooms could be more expensive on Wednesday and Thursday night due March Madness. Lots of people fly into Vegas for sports betting on Tournament games.

And yes there are a lot clients that need quotes before Q1 ends or quotes refreshed they have been sitting on for 8 months.

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified

is there a “Hi I’m Jake Voll, wear my picture, win a prize” update?

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified

Jake is busy with Flav:

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Anthony Jones

In reply to Brian Rhodes

Yeah, boyeee!

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Jake Voll

SS&Si Dealer Network

Overall, I was pleased with the #IheartJake promo. People were happy to wear the sticker and take a pic. I gave away $1000 Wednesday night split between 8 people. 3 of them also had to “floss” for it.

Here’s some of the nice folks who hearted me:

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6522371765023363072

I suppose I’ll never have the celebrity of Flava Flav though!

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Undisclosed #14

One of the oddest marketing gimmicks of the show was Western Digital's roaming WD Purple SD card:

Did anyone from IPVM speak with the SD card?

I suppose the "purple" designation is meant to indicate it is rated for video recording use, which often wears out and kills ordinary cards? But, it would have been nice to let the SD card tell you what specifics, if any, WD is claiming differentiates these from regular SD cards.

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Undisclosed #11

i'm so glad someone finally brought up the purple SD card WD mascot....

first of all - to your point - mascots do not speak. not ever. it is against the mascot code.

so you'd have to ask the mascot's booth people your questions.

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I can't believe that someone finally used a mascot at a security show - it is a genius idea.

but just standing there looking purple? please.

what a waste of $2K on someone who shouldn't ever wear a mascot suit.

mascots should be entertaining - or don't wear the suit, yo.

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Undisclosed #14

i'm so glad someone finally brought up the purple SD card WD mascot....

Whoa. We don't know if "mascot" is the preferred noun here. Perhaps the Purple SD Card self-identifies as a "Character", or even a "Talisman".

Making these kinds of assumptions based solely on appearances, and no attempt to learn more is rather outdated. I'll bet you are in favor of bringing more booth babes back as well.

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Undisclosed #11

i am in favor of quality (entertaining) mascots.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #20

The mascot was a last minute request from one of our customers, He actually wanted to wear it on the floor so we brought it up from Latin America. It was a bit heavy and hot so we hired a local to wear it anyway. The idea is to remind people that WD (via Sandisk acquisition) is in the card business now and we have surveillance class cards with different work load offerings.

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Marty Major

Teledyne FLIR

Did anyone take pics at the IPVM booth at the noon meetup?

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Undisclosed #14

I think SDM did a video of the IPVM booth. They are preparing an analysis on the booth message, and a fluff piece on the IPVM bags. It'll be published in the June issue.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

I think SDM did a video of the IPVM booth. They are preparing an analysis on the booth message, and a fluff piece on the IPVM bags. It'll be published in the June issue.

It's not going to be published unless IPVM takes out a full page ad in SDM.

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Undisclosed #15

Yes but their IVMS software crashed and Genetec did not have any HIK Ip licenses to help out. This is a pic of the last known footage of the booth.

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John Scanlan

IPVM • IPVMU Certified

We did:

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Undisclosed Integrator #22

In reply to John Scanlan

Honovich in the wild.

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Marty Major

Teledyne FLIR

In reply to John Scanlan

that's it? no tags?

who are the these guys (red arrows)?

we all recognize JH by his trademark IPVM lime green polo

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John Scanlan

IPVM • IPVMU Certified

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Undisclosed Integrator #22

It was blue

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John Honovich

IPVM

Update: Added section about Avigilon and Hikvision parties.

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Undisclosed #15

Comedy, read above comment and mistook the r for an n in parties. whoa.

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Undisclosed #14

Hikvision posted a 250+ page photo album of the party on Facebook.

This photo album is going to be GOLD in a couple of years when face recognition algorithms progress a bit more. Great shots of several Hik end-users and integrators. Can't wait to run this against the LinkedIn photo API, get contact info, and see who wants to replace their Chinese cameras as awareness of the risks continues to grow.

It will be like a self-driving train of money!

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John Honovich

IPVM

I think you are joking but this is a bit terrifying. I do agree, more broadly, in a few years, people are going to be shocked and afraid of how facial recognition can be used to identify, target, track, call out, etc.

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Undisclosed #14

Half joking, half serious really. I know the AnyVIsion guys like to do demos by uploading someones LinkedIn profile pic to their database before a meeting, and then doing a live demo where meeting attendees are identified/recognized.

A lot of manufacturers publish selective case studies, but they don't upload their lists of top customers to their site, for good reason. We are only a couple of steps away at this point from these party photo albums effectively being plain-text lists...

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Undisclosed Integrator #17

It works ;)

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Undisclosed #15

You are correct this is why one can use something like https://github.com/eduardschaeli/wget-image-scraper

This helps compile a massive list of image archives for future prospecting.

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Undisclosed #11

In reply to Undisclosed #15

am I reading the dates right?

this tech is 6 years old already?

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Undisclosed Integrator #12

The script that U#15 linked to just scrapes websites (using wget, the first version of which was back in 1996) in order to download images. It doesn't run facial recognition on them. Not exactly complicated technology. It's "for future prospecting" (emphasis added).

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John Honovich

IPVM

Update: added link to the 2020 show floor plan here and commentary about Anyvision more than doubling their booth size to a relatively gigantic 3,000sqft.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #16

I’ve got some history / familiarity with The Bank of Oklahoma, and If BOK forklifted anything for Verkada- I’ll eat one of their proprietary cameras.

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Michael Miller

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #16

Would love to know if Verkada's marketing team is blowing more smoke.

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Ryan Young

•Apr 17, 2019

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #16

Hope you're hungry...

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Undisclosed Integrator #17

•Apr 17, 2019

In reply to Ryan Young

Is this Ryan "Tackling Dinosaurs" Young?

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John Honovich

IPVM

'HIVIDEO': This did not make the post but we are going to do a test on their product.

The first booth upon entering the China 'pavilion' from the show floor was:

Not only did they rip off Hikvision's wordmark, they trademarked it! Innovation!

And they were showing a facial recognition DVR that was badly broken:

Naturally, we bought one - for $31. Our main interest is to understand more what the super low end is doing, what is being used, how they are attempting to make it work, etc.

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jason miller

Can you specify make and model of what cameras won the Best in show and worse in show like title says.

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John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to jason miller

Jason, the product that won the show's award is the Speco 'Ultra Intensifier'.

From its installation manual, it looks like one hell of a (outdated and insecure) camera:

We'll be testing shortly.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7