Avigilon will be showcasing "next-generation AI" at next week's ASIS GSX.
In an atypical move, the company is not actually releasing these products any time soon but they "announced the development of its future H5 camera line."
Based on speaking with Avigilon, we examine:
How the upcoming H5 will compare to the existing H4 cameras and analytics
What Avigilon plans to show
The benefits and drawbacks of such an announcement
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I am cautiously optimistic. I generally have a lot of faith that Avigilon will implement it properly because they have a good deal at stake if they do not. However, I do not understand how they can identify so many items (e.g. weapon, hat, etc) without making use of the cloud. The cloud is challenging to sell into or even lean on within enterprise accounts or even many larger SMB accounts.
If nothing else some new image sensors would be great assuming that Intel Movidius does not add significant cost.
I'm looking forward to seeing this at the show, I'm also hoping they're integrating their suite of analytics to 3rd party cameras as well. They used to have a "Rialto" (sp?) box that promised this but never quite delivered and now I believe is discontinued. I have a couple of customers that have Avigilon software and Axis cameras that have been very upset about not being able to use the new analytics, currently only offered with H4 cameras.
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Hope it makes them plenty of money so Motorola can finish paying off the same people who helped get ZTE and Huawei banned. Very coincidental that as soon as Motorola buys a camera company it sneaks into a defense bill to kill the competition. Same tactic they used against ZTE and Huawei. Nothing artificial about that intelligence, just good business skills!
Huh? Me confused. Read this five times and not sure what you're getting at.
Free market competition - good
Minimal government - good
Hypocracy bad - agreed - is that a reference to motorola lobbyist's?
If so, curious about Motorola lobbying activity details. Did Motorola lobbying really influence this legislation? If that's the inference, can you back that claim up with facts
From what I hear, 'Motorola did it' is an increasing theory / stance of Hikvision employees and supporters. I don't think Motorola has that power, I know the US government is clearly concerned about Chinese espionage regardless but no one is going to definitely prove one way or the other Motorola's involvement, so the theories will remain.
ZTE and Huawei directly compete with Motorola on multiple fronts. The timing of the Motorola engagement in the security industry is very coincidental. Excellent timing, almost too good. They just got lucky I guess on their entrance in the market.
Didn’t Mr. Trump once claim that the ban on ZTE was not nice to the Chinese workers? Must have had another momentary loss of reason.
I am not a fan of Hik or Avigilon, but the only semi US company that really benefits from the ban and tariffs is Avigilon and that wasn’t the case 8 months ago. Now that Moto has bought them it is the case. Motorola made a very wise and timely investment into this industry. Maybe the intel community was granted access into the Avigilon backdoor channel where it processes the AI. The cloud is inherently insecure, and a little building in Utah was built just for cloud interception.
Cramer should recommend Moto as a buy. I’d rather own shares of Moto than Dahua.
Curious again, how do ZTE and Huawei directly compete with Motorola? ZTE and Huawei are telcom companies. Motorola is (fundamentally) a two way radio company.
I apologize if I do not know other underlying (chip level relationships/competitions between the companies) but eager to learn if there are.
Does this mean I should hold off on buying H4 cameras? Very confused about the product roadmap especially since they just released the H4 multi-imagers, and NVR4.
NVR4 is the lastest server hardware which doesn't have anything to do with camera versions. All you need to know about the cameras and NVR4 is the Appearance Search Kit is included and doesn't need to be added.
H4A-MH is the latest version of the multi-head camera. I don't see this changing any time soon since it was just released.
H4A cameras have been out for a while so the V5 is the new version of cameras coming.
Our partners have always appreciated as much insight as we can give about future products and technologies so we often give technology previews at tradeshows like GSX. We are expecting the H5 series of advanced analytics cameras to be available in 2nd half of this year. In the meantime, our H4A series cameras remain our flagship camera line and we continue to roll-out new features on this camera family. Customers can rest assured that H4A cameras will continue to be fully supported by Avigilon and our video solutions.
You could wait but that means 6 months or more. The reality is most (real) manufacturers will release new cameras 6 months from now but that rarely motivates people to wait.
Report updated with details and picture from ISC West 2019:
ISC West 2019 Update
At ISC West 2019 (IPVM Full Report) Avigilon showed their H5 camera line. Though they look nearly identical to H4 models, the H5 line is claiming additional analytics, and better object tracking in crowded environments than H4, based on true neural network algorithms.
This is a big change. I don't know what happened but it does raise questions about how ready or competitive the Intel Myriad chips are. A year ago, Intel had a lot of momentum in the AI camera space, but Ambarella, e.g., also disclosed Hanwha choosing their CV chips:
Hanwha has stated that they will use Ambarella's CVflow SoC as they introduce new camera with integrated AI capabilities.
Obviously, given how much bigger Intel is than Ambarella, these deals are far more crucial to Ambarella than Intel.
Could it be more about system integration/cost than performance? Movidius is a standalone AI accelerator - more directly comparable to a Google TPU than an Ambarella part. To use Movidius in a camera you still need a host processor - so it's a 2 chip solution vs a 1 chip solution.
To use Movidius in a camera you still need a host processor - so it's a 2 chip solution vs a 1 chip solution.
Are you sure about that? Intel promotes the Movidius chip as having 2 CPUs, alongside the VPUs, as well as I/O's like USB and Gig-E that are generally not seen on GPUs. They also highly the ability for floating point operations, also not a common GPU-only function. In looking at some of the reference design materials, the Movidius looks to be more or less competitive with something like the Ambarella CV22.
That sure would be interesting to know! From the publicly available MA2485 product page there is not a lot of reference to the additional features. That said, I do see a couple of RISC cores and the Ethernet connectivity on some block diagrams on the net. But are these additional RISC cores just the control cores for the pipelines and chip itself, maybe some basic peripheral connectivity? Or can you port and run your full Linux app on them? Where the CV22 points out a quad core Cortex A53 - the MA2485 seems a bit bereft of these key details. If you have more information, it would be great to know!