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Would Two Maglocks Repel If Placed Face To Face?

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Undisclosed #1
Jun 04, 2018
IPVMU Certified

So my daughter has a science project that involves magnets. I made the mistake of suggesting using electromagnets, because “they are so cool, and you can change their poles instantly with just a switch!”.  So now I’m on the hook...

Anyway, I am the proud owner of (1) one uninstalled seco alarm maglock, which looks something like this:

Question: Would two of these DC electromagnets, if placed face to face, label to label, and powered with the same polarity repel or not?

If not, is there anyway to make them repel?

I’m willing to spring for another if it would work, but I fear they will only attract (to a varying degree) in any config.

Thoughts?

 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Jun 04, 2018

I bet if you call any of the mag lock manufacturers they would answer this and/or test for you.

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Sean Patton
Jun 04, 2018

They are magnets, they just require power, and thus have positive and negative poles. You may have to flip one over, but they will repel when the positive and negative poles are near each other.

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U
Undisclosed #1
Jun 04, 2018
IPVMU Certified

They are magnets, they just require power, and thus have positive and negative poles. 

This is true, but practical (strong) electromagnets are not exactly like permanent magnets, even aside from the current.

In an ideal theoretical electromagnet, the magnetic field is only created by the flow of current, with the poles being determined by the right hand rule.  

But this magnetism is relatively weak when relying on just coiled wire at nominal current.  So most electromagnets ‘cheat’ : they have an iron core which multiplies their effect many times.

Atoms in iron are free agents, they will align themselves with a nearby magnetic force easily.  This creates the entire magnet.

This method works well when, in the case of access control, you are binding (attracting) the magnet to a steel plate.  The steel plate succumbs and aligns itself with the electromagnet.

However curious things happen when trying to make electromagnets repel.  Because the atoms in iron are free agents, if they are presented multiple offers of opposite alignments, they will choose the strongest one.

A simple experiment can confirm this:

1. Take an access control maglock which is not energized and not touching the plate.  

2. Place a small neo disc magnet directly on the maglock, with north showing, without regard to electrical polarity.

3. Energize the maglock.

4. Note that the disc is still stuck to the maglock.

5. De-energize the maglock 

6. Flip the disc magnet 

7. Re-energize the maglock

The magnet will still be stuck to the maglock, but with south showing.

U
Undisclosed #3
Jun 04, 2018

or reverse the polarity of the wires on one of the electromagnets....

U
Undisclosed #4
Jun 04, 2018

An electromagnetic field is still a magnetic field. They will both attract and repel like and dislike poles of any magnetic field.

U
Undisclosed #1
Jun 04, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Try the expirement above.

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