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Will Trump Soften The Hard Stance Against Chinese Made Products Being Specified For US Gov Installs?

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jan 24, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

I wonder if Trumps friendly relationship and business dealing with the Chinese gov will soften the hard stance against Chinese made products being specified for US gov installs?

NOTICE: This comment was moved from an existing discussion: Genetec Expels Hikvision

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Josh Hendricks
Jan 24, 2017
Milestone Systems

We will follow two simple rules; buy American and hire American.

Given this from his inaugural speech, it's hard to say whether he will be motivated to reverse previous decisions against Chinese made products.

He has repeatedly said we make terrible deals and he will make great deals. So maybe he will change his stance when it comes to government spending?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jan 24, 2017

In today's news the chinese government announced through its state-controlled newspaper that trump's positions regarding China's geopolitical stance are a threat to China and as such require a military buildup by the Chinese.

that doesnt exactly sould like a friendly relationship. Combine that with Trump's "Made in the USA" initiatives, and I would say the answer to your question would be no. 

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jan 24, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

My point was/is that Trump has taken loans from the Chinese gov and also leased properties from them. So he has reasons to favor them, similar to his bromance with all things Putin/Russian. 

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jan 24, 2017

I think those are political narratives that probably have no relation to out industry

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jan 24, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

I disagree. If Trump gives favors to the Chinese gov (aka Hikvision), how would that NOT affect our industry?

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John Honovich
Jan 24, 2017
IPVM

If Trump gives favors to the Chinese gov (aka Hikvision), how would that NOT affect our industry?

Trump has been criticizing and antagonizing the Chinese government almost weekly. The Taiwan President call, the numerous tweets calling out China, the America first rhetoric. All of these things are negative for China.

Yes, if Trump gives favors to the Hikvision, it will affect our industry but from his actions so far, Trump has given many indications he will be negative towards China.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jan 25, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

His abandonment of TPP is going to allow China to craft their own deal in the region that the US will have no say over. This is a handout directly to China, maybe even knowingly so. 

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John Honovich
Jan 25, 2017
IPVM

This is a handout directly to China, maybe even knowingly so. 

This is absurd. Trump may be right or wrong to exit the TPP but he is surely not doing so with intentions to help China.

The last time we debated politics in May, you were adamant that Sanders could win the nomination, despite obviously insurmountable numbers. This is similar to your take on Trump and China.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jan 25, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

You're correct on the Sanders part. I didn't know the deck was stacked against him like it was. 

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jan 24, 2017

Again, the accusation that the president is an agent of the russian and chinese governments because he may or may not have business dealings in those countries building hotels is a partisan political narrative, has no relation to reality as far as we know and would best be moved to one of the political sites. 

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Jon Dillabaugh
Jan 24, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

It's not an accusation that he has strong ties to both the Russian and Chinese governments. Around here, you would think that would be a big deal. You have Hikvision being shunned for similar links to the Chinese gov. If that is a poison pill for Hikvision, how is not the same for Trump? 

How can we not assume that his ties to China won't have adverse affects on "western brands"? Very similar ties that have Hikvision and Huawei being shunned/banned. 

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
Jan 27, 2017

I don't think there is anyway to know what he we will do by what he says. He's said many things, some he is doing and some he isn't or doing the opposite. He's plays both sides of the fence; tell people whatever they want to hear but will try and do whatever is a perceived benefit. Now you can call that a partisan statement or not- I think it true and in no way did I think his opponent was a better choice. It will affect our industry in some ways, or maybe many ways.

Security products are still a much smaller part of the overall economy than other technology products. If someone makes enough noise about Hikvision, he may do something to stop their efforts (whatever they are claimed to be, but at the very least unfair pricing advantages), but if he does not see a personal benefit in stopping their overall technology growth, then he won't do anything, even if he says a lot. (Going by his past behavior, he'd probably claim he's being blocked by opponents and the media is covering it up.)

Cheap China products favor large businesses and large businesses do not favor or disfavor small businesses or people. They just are what they are and profit is always number one, consequences second. Trump favors large business. The best thing Hik might do, that would benefit many of the small dealers here and certain distributors, is to figure out how to somehow associate themselves with general China technology so they are associated as one and the same, so any defensive measures the US takes against Hik's unfair advantages or unethical associations, such as tariffs to outright bans,  would look like an attack against China tech in general, so therefore they would be better protected and allowed to continue freely going about their business.

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Bill Parker
Feb 01, 2017
American Integrated Security Group, Inc.

At one point in the past the USA was the exporting powerhouse to the rest of the world. Then multi-national corporations here figured out there was a better way to get their goods to market...manufacture them closer to the various markets. So many of them did just that. Now with globalization this is still the case however the reverse has begun to happen. Non-USA originated manufacturers have started coming here to build their products to sale in the USA. Take Avigilon for instance. A Canadian manufacturer that opened a plant in Plano, TX that builds 1000's of cameras for shipment to the USA market only. Betcha we see more of this kind of movement from others in our industry.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
Feb 24, 2017

Totally different when you're selling a product it's manufactured in China than when you're selling a product that is owned by the Chinese government yes all products it's manufactured in China the government owns a percentage of that Hikvision they own all of which is basically killing the market over here and basically taken over the country and half of the installers in the alarm companies don't even realize it and there's American companies that have products that are manufactured in China for the same amount of money but it's a better product and a better quality if you look at the top cameras that's produced and their ratings how could anybody that has an alarm company sell a product with Hikvision name on it and feel good about it knowing your security provider and the product that you're giving your customer can be hacked into

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