Who Offers NVRs With Embedded PoE Switches?

Avtech 4 and 8 ch NVR has PoE switch.

Dahua has an NVR with 16 port POE built in. So anyone who gets Dahua NVR's should be able to provide you with them. They are nice solid machines, i haven't had any problems with any of them and everyone loves the easy to use GUI. Hope this helps!

John,

With complete disclosure, I can state FLIR, who I work for, does offer the entry level DNR204 and DNR208 Series NVR/POE. We also offer the DNR308 and DNR316 Series NVR/POE (only 8 POE ports). Coming soon will be 16 Internal POE Ports, but in the mean time we sell an 8 port POE switch with a separate uplink to solve the extra POE requirements.

A separate discussion could be "Why are they popular" and "Where do they apply." I can hear the crowds yelling "it fits the trunk slammer perfectly." Maybe so. I had a conversation with an IT Director recently who saw the value in these for his 100+ locations. Is that a trunk slammer sale?

Having the POE built in, which is usually powered by a separate supply than the NVR itself, reduces the amount of cabling required and simplifies the connectivity. I would suggest anyone installing these purchase an Extech CT-100 cable tester also (another self promotion as FLIR owns Extech). Cat5e cable seems to run about 70% or so of the cost of a Siamese RG59/18-2 cable. It's also easier to pull from my experience....and I ran a lot of RG59u in my life.

Having the ability to add cameras using the subscribers LAN is a bonus when cabling a large building and the IT department has already provided a decent back-bone. At that point the IT guy is usually involved and can manage addressing and routing for the less technical installers.

Let's face it, even an average 720 or 1080p image in decent lighting looks far superior on the customers HD flat panel monitor which is now cheap. So cheap that it is driving this change. When television was SD, Security could be SD, now that television is HD for almost all, Security has to be as well, even in the least demanding environments.

Fear kept many from embracing IP technology and these kits or packages remove most of the fear. Many of them are so simple they almost set themselves up. Cable the cameras, plug in the cameras and unit and watch the images appear. Just like an SD DVR but clearer. Less fear. Techs only need to walk through the easy setup sheets to make it accessible to the end user via a remote device such as Android / iPhone / PC and Mac. Those requirements are there even in a DVR these days.

One of the limitations of these low cost NVR solutions is still the bandwidth available throughout the unit. How many images per second and at what frame rate will be confusing to some or not clearly defined just like when DVR's first appeared. Which cameras are they compatible with will be another. Do the units share the network between the cameras and the NVR or are they separate? Does the unit Auto-Address the cameras?

In one of those separate discussions I will outline how an IT manager for 100+ locations found value in these systems for those who think it's only going to be popular for homeowners and "Stop and Rob's."

Greg

Dahua as mentioned above has a complete line. We distribute it locally here as a seperate business from our integration side, customers and installers both seem to really like the units, but 80% of sales are for homes, remaining 20% for small businesses. To me these products are aimed at bridging the gap from Analog to IP on the Q-See, Swann type deals, not sure if we'll see much of this on the enterprise level but would be interesting to see if Genetc, Avigilon & Exacq decide to start manufacturing integrated POE appliances.

I have not checked out any of the "new", self contained POE NVR's yet but I was conserned about the limitation of the number of cameras. The units I have taken a quick look at seem to have a total 5MP capacity. About four 1.3MP cameras. When I get a server it's kind of easy to get decent horsepower so that I know will give me a fudge factor of many times over 100%+ using a varity of cameras be they 2MP to a 10MP fisheye.

I have changed my thoughts about using analog cameras, power baluns and CAT5 to the point that some of the small self contained POS systems might work in some of my applications.

Back to my point, are these NVRs w/POE set for a certian number of MP. If I buy an eight camera IP system that should handle 2MP cameras per channel can I then reason that I can put two 5MP and three 2MP cameras on there?

The EverFocus NVR8304D is an 8 port plug and play NVR with the POE switch detached. There is also a 8304E with the POE switch embedded.

The FW of the switch works together with the NVR to automatically assign IP address to the cameras based on which port (1~8) it is plugged into and shows up in the NVR's camera list similar to our DVRs. It has an uplink that goes to the NVR so the switch is "detached." The plug and play feature will not work if you use a third party switch.

It has a brother where we "embedded" the switch in the NVR housing, that version has not arrived in our warehouses yet.

John,

At Lanaccess (www.lanaccess.es), ONSAFE HM supports up to 16 IP cameras with a PoE integrated switch.

ONSAFE HM supports any ONVIF IP camera, and VAPIX from Axis cameras.

System powers the camera, detects the model, assigns an IP address and automatically configure available codecs. All cameras are configured with the same interface, so user doesn't need to access to each web camera interface.

Francesc

Well there's always a trade off between ease of use and granular control. The best way to make something idiot-proof (or at least idiot-resistant) is to lock down all possible settings to prevent someone from changing the subnet or whatever to an incorrect value, crashing the entire system. Take Apple products. One reason it "just works" is most of the settings are locked down out of the box, so the chance of two weird settings conflicting with each other is severly reduced.

I normally sell Enterprise deployments, but I jumped on the Hikvision bandwagon. Up until 4/30/14, they offer a 30% discount on their value lin e NVRs and cameras. I can not keep up with the $1500 sale of a 4 channel NVR (built in POE) and 4 x 1 MP IP66 cameras (42% margin drop shipped). I must say, I am very impressed with the client and mobile app that comes with this. Axis and all the others in the market, beware. All the Enterprise integrators may consider these systems for low cost low camera count solutions (especially for process monitoring). The cool thing is that all of the products are 3+ year warranty and the cameras are supported by most VMS offerings (which makes the $300 4 channel, $500 8 channel, and $800 16 channel NVRs with embedded PoE ) potential throwaway or Ebay items for entry to enterprise deployments.

We have evaluated a few POE PSE devices to integrate into the servers we design and build.

Some of them behave like a switch and present a single IP to the system while others present an IP from each of the ports.

The POE power aspect has been the tricky one to validate, but we have weeded out those devices that simply could not maintain the power out to several 9W IR cams.

The other thing to bear in mind is that these devices may be POE ModeA or ModeB from the PSE side as allowed by the spec. The cameras themselves must allow both modes to be called POE compatible. Note that the M12 connected cameras are NOT POE compliant because they only have 4 of the 8 wires coming in.