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Who Are The Industry Legends?

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David Warren
May 11, 2015
Security Network Advisors LLC

I've been in the industry only a couple years, but I always hear names thrown around like everyone should know who they are talking about. It kind of feels like going to my girlfriends high school reunion where I hear stories but have no idea who people are talking about. I want to be at least know who you guys think have had the greatest impact (good or bad) in the industry. I keep hearing about some Earl guy in St. Louis, and a McDonald in the old Pelco days. What do you guys think?

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

That's an interesting question!

McDonald was the CEO of Pelco until they sold to Schneider in 2007. I don't know him but he seems to be most mentioned around (1) Pelco's old commitment to customer service and (2) the Pelco jet. He's still around sailing with the ex Pelco yacht.

I am not sure who Earl is in St. Louis.

On the training / teaching side, in the US, Charlie Pierce was pretty famous, especially for his video tapes back in the day. He is quite the character though I can't find any clips online to show it. We also did an interview with Charlie not too long ago.

I certainly don't want to be the arbiter on who is a 'legend' but I am happy to provide any color or response to any questions on people that I can answer.

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Aaron Saks
May 11, 2015

I agree. The taps Charlie did still are great - just replace the outdated MUX, VCR, etc. But the theory is still relevant and great. He did a great job explaining everything. I am fortunate to have a complete set of the tapes. We (previous employer) have used it to train new employees here and there, in years past to make sure have the foundations of CCTV covered.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

The problem with everything from that era is that surveillance technology was less complicated, things like PPF/PPM did not really exist nor were needed, resolution options were far closer, low light performance has gotten much more complex with super low light, integrated IR, etc. Not to mention how much more important IP networks have become.

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Charlie Pierce
Jun 22, 2015

The best and worst part of any industry is that if you stick around long enough, make enough noise ... sooner or later you end up dead or as a "Legend" ... Since I am not dead, I guess it could be worse.

Thank you for the kind words ... and as always, if there is anything that I can do for you or anyone else in this great IPVM group ... all you need do is ask.

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Brian Rhodes
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Charlie is certainly a character to remember. I met him at a trade show a few years back.

I introduced myself as "Brian, from IPVM" and went for a handshake. Charlie went for a hug.

(I had literally just met this man.)

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Undisclosed #2
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

I'd swear you were brothers. :)

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Brian Rhodes
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

I think you just insulted Charlie Pierce.

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Chris Lanier
May 11, 2015

Combine Legend, Guru and Good Guy together and Charlie is indeed in elite company!

Great guy who taught a ton of people video expertise with a side of humor only he could do.

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Charlie Pierce
Jun 22, 2015

Brian,

Handshakes are for wimps ... good to see that you are still kicking around the industry. I sincerely hope that you are doing well. CP

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Brian Rhodes
Jun 22, 2015
IPVMU Certified

"Handshakes are for wimps"

Awesome! :)

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Ari Erenthal
Jun 22, 2015
Chesapeake & Midlantic

That's why I give everyone I meet a punch in the upper arm.

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Steve Mitchell
May 12, 2015

Whenever I hear somebody characterize Pelco's old culture as being about "customer service" it's funny because while it can obviously be summed up that way, I think it ran much deeper than that.

I'd describe it as "a culture that was 100% committed to ensuring the integrator was successful on every job." It was much more than after-the-fact customer service.

* There was tremendous emphasis on pre-sales support

* Extensive training and training support

* Strong commitment to on-time delivery (there was in fact an entire group called Early Warning System (EWS) responsible for monitoring forecasting to ensure that logistical activity did not interfere with off the shelf availability)

* And of course the idea that any problem or any question got answered "on the third ring" of the phone. So if you're on top of a ladder and you need to know how to wire your Spectra there was guaranteed to be a guy on the phone who would track down the engineer who designed the thing if necessary to make sure you could finish the job--from the top of the ladder.

I'm sure there's plenty of guys on here who were on the receiving end of many of Pelco's failures--even during the salad days of 'fanatical customer service.' But I'm also sure the net effect was most integrators really were most successful at winning and delivering jobs when they were installing Pelco gear at one point, and that was no accident.

This was McDonald's best idea and the thread that defined how Pelco operated and did business. It came with healthy margins (and high internal costs), but it helped shape the industry for many years.

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Undisclosed #1
May 11, 2015

I am in St. Louis and am not familiar with an "Earl" here. Been doing this for 25+ years

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Kevin Nadai
May 11, 2015

Earl "the pearl" Snyder at Security Equipment Supply?

Great guy! I worked with him at the old S&B Distributors.

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Ethan Ace
May 11, 2015

This is an interesting discussion and I'm curious who others will chime in with.

I think if you stick around long enough and stay on top of technology and trends, though, what you'll realize is that the vast majority of these "legends" don't know what they're doing, or are so far out of touch with the reality of practical technology it's incredible. I'm not going to name names, but there are quite a few people the trade mags tell us are well respected and knowledgeable who I wouldn't trust to design a system for Derek's shed.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

Remember, you're supposed good cop, I am supposed to be bad cop....

I am not sure what counts as a legend, but I do agree that a lot of people that show up in trade magazines are not very knowledgeable (as their own statements do reflect). Ironically, often it is someone who reports to that person who is the real unsung star. Not sure if that makes them a legend but worth considering...

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Undisclosed #2
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

May I nominate that CCTV Legend of Biblical Proportions, the so-called 'Serb Down Under' and Global Guru, Vlado Damjanovski?

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Charlie Pierce
Jun 22, 2015

Vlado was and is a very dear friend and having spent years learning from him (and teaching a few non-technicals back) I would consider your suggestion to be right on the money.

Valdo led the industry as an engineer and teacher ... his books are still valid in the industry and I highly recommend them to anyone. His real hidden tallent was in good ol' photography ... amazing pictures when you consider that you have a crazy Rusion living in Australia.

Definitivly a ledgend of our industry on the other side of the big pond.

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Chris Lanier
May 11, 2015

Great topic- Industry Legends could be categorized on several fronts- Those that were leaders in their respective technologies (manufacturers), those that transformed the supply chain (distribution) and those that set high standards for the installation trade (dealers). Don't be quick to discount those individuals that weren't overly technically inclined.

Their names and reputations are legendary because they had the vision and hired the right people that have kept the security industry intact to this point for others to benefit from.

I personally feel fortunate to have worked with many of the industry's "Silverbacks" in their prime.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
May 19, 2015

I would definitely nominate your dad, the one and only, Joe Lanier! He made a lot of mini legends through his willingness to hire and train young people and let them experience a lot of responsibility at an early part of their career.

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Chris Lanier
May 24, 2015

Thanks for the Joe kudos! May I ask who you are?

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Matt Bode
May 11, 2015

Although it might be too soon to enter the Video Surveillance Hall of Fame, I nominate Fredrik Nilsson of Axis. I've always been impressed every time I have seen him talk, and of course Axis paved the way for IPVS to succeed Pelco's dominance.

From http://www.informationweek.com/author-bio.asp?author_id=1099

Fredrik Nilsson has been responsible for Axis Communications North American operations since 2003. In this role, he has been instrumental in leading the industry shift from analog closed circuit television to network video. Mr. Nilsson serves on the Security Industry Association Board of Directors. He is a trusted industry speaker at leading events such as Securing New Ground, ASIS International, ISC West, and Interop. His articles have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, USA Today, and the Washington Post, and he has made numerous television appearances. He authored a book, Intelligent Network Video, published by CRC Press.

Prior to working for Axis, Mr. Nilsson served as a product manager for ABB, a global leader in power and automation technologies. He is a graduate of the Lund Institute of Technology and holds a master's degree in electrical engineering, with follow up post-graduate studies in economics.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

Frederik is a smooth politician but this is one of the cases where the behind the scenes people fail to get enough credit, especially the R&D team in Malmo and whomever runs engineering, product management, etc.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
May 11, 2015

Good assessment of Nilsson. Martin Gren would be more appropriate as an Industry Legend.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
May 18, 2015

Thanks for remembering the R&D guys. They seem to always be forgotten...

BTW

Axis R&D team is in Lund where Axis Global HQ is (20 km from Malmo so pretty close) :-)

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Glenn Patrizio
May 11, 2015

Lets see in my 35 years in this industry I believe I can name a few industry veterans and legends:

Joe Lanier, Defensive Security one of the first independent security distributors in Texas in the 70's (Retired)

Bernie Robins, one of the greatest characters our industry has ever know. May he rest in peace.

Charlie Darsch industry veteran for many years and still going strong in his 80's (Detectronics)

Art Shaw industry veteran at ADI for many years. (Retired)

John Burton, industry veteran at ADI for many years. (Retired)

Ron Finley, one of the best security sales guy I have ever met. May he rest in peace.

Roy Thurston, another industry veteran great sales guy. (Radionics)

Earl Snyder, as you mentioned for sure a industry veteran in security distribution for many years.

Sandy Jones, is for sure one of the most active industry leaders and legends. SIA

In my many years in this industry I have come across many people who influenced me and this industry in a very positive way. I know I left out many people and I want to apologize for this.

This is a short list of veterans and legends in the security distribution and manufacturing side.

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Ari Erenthal
May 11, 2015
Chesapeake & Midlantic

If you've ever attended a trade show in the US, you've probably run into Steve Surfaro at one time or another.

And Mary Lynn Garcia was one of the first people to apply empiricism to the field of physical security.

On a regional level, every distributor and manufacturer in the Northeast probably knows David Gonzalez. If you run into him at a trade show, ask him to tell you the story of how he once put a pilot in a chokehold midflight.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
May 11, 2015
For me it is Vlado Damjanovski with his CCTV Bible, translated in Russian.
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Undisclosed #2
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

leg·end·ar·y adjective

remarkable enough to be famous; very well known.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

B, are you making a greater point here or?

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Undisclosed #2
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Only that industry legends don't need to be especially insightful or technically proficient, just remarkable enough to achieve widespread noteriety.

Case in point: Todd Rockoff ;)

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

Todd Rockoff just voted that unhelpful :)

I gave you a funny to help offset it.

For Rockoff, he's really not that well known outside of a niche of people who read discussion boards (and not IPVM recently since he's been banned for promotion for 2 years here). Those who want to follow him, can read the CCTV LinkedIn group, where he continues to bash those using IP.

If you think of legendary in sports, it's hard for anyone insecurity to measure up in terms of impact or notoriety since this industry is fairly fractured / low media.

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Undisclosed #2
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

For Rockoff, he's really not that well known outside of a niche of people who read discussion board...

That may be. On the other hand the OP did ask for people, good OR bad, whose names 'get thrown around'. On IPVM at least, the Todd clearly meets this criteria.

Google* shows for search: "legend name" cctv

  1. Fredrik Nilsson 19,200
  2. Martin Gren 8,040
  3. Vlado Damjanovski 7,150
  4. John Honovich 6,550
  5. Todd Rockoff 5,840
  6. Charlie Pierce 5,440

*Shown for entertainment value only, your results may vary.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

Thanks for ranking people based on arbitrary google search results count.

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Ari Erenthal
May 11, 2015
Chesapeake & Midlantic

You're just mad that no one considers you legendary. Infamous, yes. Legendary, no. Well, not yet. Give it about fifteen years. That should give you enough time to bring down a few companies, survive a couple of assasination attempts, and have a data compression method named after you.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

Hope I am out by then.

I am going to take over Charlie Pierce's farm one of these days...

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Ari Erenthal
May 11, 2015
Chesapeake & Midlantic

In 15 years from now, I'll have been in this industry for 32 years. I look forward to telling the newcomers war stories about VHS tape storage.

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John Honovich
May 11, 2015
IPVM

I look forward to your son taking away your CCTV comedy crown.

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Charlie Pierce
Jun 22, 2015

John,

The Hay needs cutting ... chickens need cutting up ... the corn needs cutting down ... farming is not all it is cut up to be. But you are alway welcome at my place ... you would be in a very elete group of less than 20 in the industry that have ever been able to actually verify that my wife is real. Come on out ... I've got plenty of chores to do and if my opinion makes a difference, you are a legend ... can't go anywhere without someone bringing your name up to me about something ... that is legendary. CP

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Keefe Lovgren
May 11, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Steve Filippini

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Steve Nauman
May 14, 2015

She might not be known outside of Michigan, but Ann Scott, formely of ADI, is a freaking rock star. Her departure from there was the final push for us to move away from distributors.

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Ross Vander Klok
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Also not known within Michigan.... Well, at least not known on the West side.

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Kevin Nadai
May 14, 2015

Nor the Southwest corner of Michigan.

Then again, we still use window foil here. Just kidding. Maybe.

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Steve Nauman
May 14, 2015

Alright, alright. Current/former integrators, then? Maybe? I dunno, I just thought I'd throw some recognition at someone who's done a lot for us.

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Ross Vander Klok
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

No worries Tyler. I think we are looking at folks that are more nationally and/or internationally known within the industry as really knowing their stuff.

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Ari Erenthal
May 14, 2015
Chesapeake & Midlantic

Woah, woah, woah. Hold on just a minute. I know we joke around a lot here, but I'd appreciate you not making disparaging remarks about window foil. I still have my varnish brush and folded up matchbook somewhere.

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Kevin Nadai
May 15, 2015

I remember the brush, but what was the matchbook for? Tensioner?

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Ari Erenthal
May 15, 2015
Chesapeake & Midlantic

Basically. It helped you keep it straight and smooth with no bubbles without ripping the foil.

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Brian Rhodes
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Is that the thumb part or the pinky part?

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Ross Vander Klok
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Thumb part is East side or what you non-Michigan folks would refer to as “by Detroit”. The North, South and West sides of Michigan’s Lower Peninsula are what you would call “not Detroit”. The Upper Peninsula is not part of the mitten because they do their own thing which, as far as I can determine, involves a lot of ice skating….

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Brian Rhodes
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

here I thought the UP was part of Canada...

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Ross Vander Klok
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Oh man I hope there are no yoopers on here for your sake Brian or they will probably hunt you down for that remark........

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Steve Nauman
May 14, 2015

Just a lone non-IPVM member up that way.

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Kevin Nadai
May 15, 2015

God's country up there.

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Ross Vander Klok
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Who was the guy that used to teach all the Pelco classes out in Clovis?

He taught me how to use an oscilloscope, welder’s glass and coax crimpers. I want to say it was CCTV Bob or something like that?

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Trisha (Chris' wife) Dearing
May 14, 2015
IPVMU Certified

Bob Wimmer?

Were you in this group?  ;)

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Undisclosed #5
May 15, 2015

Speaking of industry hot-shots, there is a contest running where you can vote for the most influential person in security.

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Undisclosed #2
May 17, 2015
IPVMU Certified

May I advance for consideration, a local favorite and possibly the most feared famous end-user of all time, Carl the 'Living Legend' Lindgren?

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Jonathan Lawry
May 18, 2015
Trecerdo, LLC

Don't forget the land of Access Control. There are:

Frank Gasztonyi and Hing Hung, the famous "Hg" of Mercury Security.

John Moss, founder of S2 and Software House.

Juggernauts, all.

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Trisha (Chris' wife) Dearing
May 19, 2015
IPVMU Certified

"Hg" of Mercury

Periodic table humor, ha!

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Jonathan Lawry
May 19, 2015
Trecerdo, LLC

That is indeed why Mercury was named Mercury.

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May 18, 2015

Yeah it's like that. Everybody's got a story about how they personally deployed the maglocks in the Lincoln White House.

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Undisclosed Integrator #8
May 19, 2015

I would have to ask that Bill Bozeman be added to the list of Industry Legends. Bill took the reigns of PSA at a critical time turning the coop into one of the industries best member owned organizations. Today PSA under Bill's guidance focuses on tomorrow, what's happening, where the money is going and leading business owners to re-invent themselves to stay current. This industry veteran has helped so many move the marker.

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Jeffrey Hinckley
May 21, 2015

I was impressed with Charlies seminars at isc west in, I think, 2003. CCCTV Bob was a wealth of analog knowledge at Pelco training in 2004 I think in NY.. Every overnight training down there was a party. Funny, though, everytime I brought up IP cameras in Bobs class, he would change the subject. How many people, though, nowadays know how to use a scope to test video levels and troubleshoot other issues. I do because of Bob.

Charlie and Bob for sure.

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Undisclosed #9
May 25, 2015

In Canada, I hear alot about Don Douglas, John Day and Frank Felice. Long timers, well known, lots of knowledge, all around good guys!

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