What New Cameras Should We Test? Spring 2014

New samsung SNO-7084 & SND-7084 3MP Wisenet III models.

Samsung'a new 5MP as well.

SNH-P6410BN is an interesting new option also.

We recently tested both the 720p and 1080p WiseNet III models. As such, testing the 3MP ones is a low priority since it does not add much new information.

However, we have just finished testing the Samsung panoramic and will be releasing results of that on Wednesday the the 9th.

Harald, thanks.

I think integrated IR PTZs would be an interesting category test. As I recall, Dahua, Hikvision and Samsung sell them, among others.

The Messoa seems interesting as it claims to do LPR though it appears it is not shipping yet, yes/no?

Messoa LPR615 tested as one out of their new IP Traffic camera line.

The LPR615 looks decent but a word of caution about their claims in general tho, since Messoa is one of those mfrs. who think its ok to advertise cameras as zoom= optical zoom x digital zoom.

Which is something I thought has been pretty much eliminated.

432x is pretty silly.

Reference: Digital Zoom Tutorial

Similarly, their 'LPR' marketed camera looks to really just be an 'LPC' camera.

Reference LPC vs LPR

So the industry is finally getting off it's collective butt and putting out more IP connected tag cameras.

IQinVision has been in decline for years, and does less than $20 million in revenue. Merging with a company even in worse shape does not bode well for them.

I think a shootout would be worthwhile but IQinVision is a low priority because of their poor overall market position.

As for notable / large camera manufacturers, the only other (beside Axis) announcing 4K is Bosch. Because of that, there will not be a lot of cameras available anytime soon for a wide shootout.

We will see who ships first (of the larger players) and start with an individual test of a specific camera against 1080p / HD ones.

The IP LPC camera shootout: Geovision GVLPR, Messoa LPR615, Bosch Dinon 5000.

I believe the Dinion 5000 is an older, SD model. The newer HD, long range on is the Dinion 9000. Correct?

You up to doing another tutorial? I think the discussions show a clear pattern: a need for a tutorial on standard troubleshooting procedures and best practices. You know, the care and feeding of your basic surveillance system.

I've been rereading the 2014 Camera Fundamentals book again. Have I told you lately what a terrific value it is? Well, it's awesome, but adding a troubleshooting guide would make it even more awesomer.

I second the IR PTZs, we recently installed one of Hikvisions at a construction site and it seems to work well. We have a few problems with their value series but they released a firmware update that fixed them. I would really like to see how it compares to others on the market, at our office we have an Axis Q6035-e it works well in our parking lot with all the lights on but obviously when the lights are off (like at a construction site) its almost useless.

I would be interested in seeing some of the new 360 single lens cameras. I think Vivotek, Geovision and Hikvision have all realeased one or two. I can see how they would be good for many of our customers but want a good shootout to see what's best! Depending on how well these cameras work it could be a huge advantage for customes and integrators on a tight budget looking to cut costs on labor.

Ari, thanks, note the Fundamentals book is only half of our overall IP Camera Training guide.

What do you have in mind for troubleshooting? We have this - Top 10 IP Camera Troubleshooting Tips

I would like to see a comparison test between both the 4K cameras of IQinVision and Axis

IQinVision employee, you have to disclose your affiliation. Also, your comment provides no rationale about why it would be interesting or useful to a broader audience.

Jason, don't post a pointless promotional comment. One, it makes your company look bad. Two, it wastes all of our time as now everyone in this thread got an email from you.

I am leaving this up as a reminder. Do not respond to this thread. If you have a problem, you can email me directly at john@ipvm.com

Deegan, thanks.

Where is Axis claiming the Q6045 can pull plates at a 1000 meters?

1000 feet maybe,

Great detail with HDTV AXIS Q6045-C has a wide horizontal viewing angle at 62.98° and twice the resolution of HDTV 720p. The camera’s 20x optical zoom, in combination with HDTV 1080p resolution, provides extremely detailed zoomed-in views, enabling, for instance, the license plate of a vehicle to be read some 275 m (900 ft.) away. AXIS Q6045-C offers the same video quality as AXIS Q6045-E.

So an IQinVision employee recommends testing IQinVision.... and goes undisclosed to boot, to hide it.

Please stop manufacturers. Each time a manufacturer employee does something like this, it makes us think less of the manufacturer. You are not helping.

Carlos, I have never heard of them. However, their IR turret PTZ looks interesting / different (though SD only)

John, they have a FHD 1920x1080 30X Optical Zoom according to their catalog. Look here.

A test of VMS support for 360 cameras sounds worthwhile.

What do you mean by 'solid state' PTZ? You mean that they want to use 360 cameras as if they were 'real' PTZ cameras with pan / tilt / zoom / tour / pre-set, etc.?

It looks like they have real optical zoom. This is from the spec sheet you linked to:

Sorry I meant feet not meters. Still at 800ft i'd like to see what a non manufacturer test would look like and at what happens when it gets dark.

I just learned the Messoa LPR615 is one of three models and is the long range one that requires that a seperate IR illuminator.

They have three other, shorter range models, one requiring AC (LPR610) and another strictly PoE (LPR605) which are supposedly out now while the 615 is still listed as coming soon.

I actulaly would rather see a test with the 605 model aganist other current offerings because to me the shorter range is the majority of requirements.

This is exactly why i'd like to see the test done. The quality is of course reduced at night. The question is to what extent and to what extent compared to similar PTZs. I rarely find anyone only wants to use their cameras in the day, so night performance matters on most cameras even if they are not a low light cam.