What New Cameras Should We Test? Spring 2014
Now that (most) new announcements have been made for the first part of the year, it is time to evaluate what new cameras IPVM should be testing.
Keep in mind, though, that a lot of the products announced may not ship for 6 months to a year.
That noted, here is my initial list:
- FLIR super low cost thermal: match it up against integrated IR and see the tradeoffs, i.e., is thermal now really cost competitive against conventional cameras
- Axis 4K camera: because it is Axis and to see how bad it really is in low light
- Hikvision Integrated IR panoramic / 360 camera: to see how much better it works in low light than traditional non IR panoramics
- Arecont omni cameras: because it is essentially a new form factor - repositionable multi-imager, see what benefits / issues it has
Those are 4 that really stand out to me.
Feel free to share your suggestions but you must explain why you think it is worth testing, like I did above.
New samsung SNO-7084 & SND-7084 3MP Wisenet III models.
Samsung'a new 5MP as well.
SNH-P6410BN is an interesting new option also.
IPVMU Certified | 04/05/14 06:57pm
Liked the Messoa traffic cameras (analogue) in the past and would like to see the
Messoa LPR615 tested as one out of their new IP Traffic camera line.
Dahua DH-SD59230S-HN, general nothing new technically speaking, but with everything you might need from a speed dome (fast, IR, PoE+, WDR, Privacy masks, ONVIF...) - curious to see result and price.
Harald, thanks.
I think integrated IR PTZs would be an interesting category test. As I recall, Dahua, Hikvision and Samsung sell them, among others.
The Messoa seems interesting as it claims to do LPR though it appears it is not shipping yet, yes/no?
IPVMU Certified | | 04/06/14 10:18pm
I second the IR PTZs, we recently installed one of Hikvisions at a construction site and it seems to work well. We have a few problems with their value series but they released a firmware update that fixed them. I would really like to see how it compares to others on the market, at our office we have an Axis Q6035-e it works well in our parking lot with all the lights on but obviously when the lights are off (like at a construction site) its almost useless.
Messoa LPR615 tested as one out of their new IP Traffic camera line.
The LPR615 looks decent but a word of caution about their claims in general tho, since Messoa is one of those mfrs. who think its ok to advertise cameras as zoom= optical zoom x digital zoom.
Which is something I thought has been pretty much eliminated.
432x is pretty silly.
Reference: Digital Zoom Tutorial
Similarly, their 'LPR' marketed camera looks to really just be an 'LPC' camera.
Reference LPC vs LPR
IPVMU Certified | | 04/05/14 08:53pm
John, right. They name it LPR, but in fact it's "only" LPC. Anyway, the SCR515PRO worked quite well in some projects, especially by solving the headlight problem.
I was gonna post my interest in seeing a Messoa LPR test as well; especially after getting a chance to check them out at ISC West.
I've had fantastic luck with the Geovision GV-Hybrid 10R after reading about it in the latest IPVM License Plate Capture Shootout 2014 recently. Certainly a full IP LPC/LPR, especially one that could theoretically stretch out to 300ft, would be great to compare it to as well.
IPVMU Certified | 04/06/14 12:13am
So the industry is finally getting off it's collective butt and putting out more IP connected tag cameras.
The IP LPC camera shootout: Geovision GVLPR, Messoa LPR615, Bosch Dinon 5000.
04/06/14 07:49pm
You up to doing another tutorial? I think the discussions show a clear pattern: a need for a tutorial on standard troubleshooting procedures and best practices. You know, the care and feeding of your basic surveillance system.
I've been rereading the 2014 Camera Fundamentals book again. Have I told you lately what a terrific value it is? Well, it's awesome, but adding a troubleshooting guide would make it even more awesomer.
Ari, thanks, note the Fundamentals book is only half of our overall IP Camera Training guide.
What do you have in mind for troubleshooting? We have this - Top 10 IP Camera Troubleshooting Tips
| 04/07/14 01:35am
I didn't see the troubleshooting tips article! So, yeah, something like that.
IPVMU Certified | 04/06/14 10:33pm
I would be interested in seeing some of the new 360 single lens cameras. I think Vivotek, Geovision and Hikvision have all realeased one or two. I can see how they would be good for many of our customers but want a good shootout to see what's best! Depending on how well these cameras work it could be a huge advantage for customes and integrators on a tight budget looking to cut costs on labor.
John, we tested 8 different manufacturers 360 cameras last year and we are releasing a test of Samsung's this week. Becuase of that, I am not sure how many more 360 cameras we will test in the near future, unless there is something clearly different (unique, major feature set or huge price drop, etc.). For instance, the Samsung panoramic is $300 street price, which is very cheap. We'll also test the Hikvision but the integrated IR one because it's differentiated.
As for Geovision, we finished testing their 'super low lux' minidome and will be releasing the report next week. We probably won't test their panoramic unless, as above, there is something clearly different from all the panoramics we have already tested.
IPVMU Certified | | 04/07/14 04:12pm
John, thanks, still new to the site and learned my way around.
John, i would like to see an update on the 360 camera tests showing at what level the functionality is integrated in to different VMS's like Genetec, Milestone corp and so on...
Endusers are asking for the 360 cameras to preform as a "solid state " PTZ within the VMS. Im guessing the level of integration varies quite a lot between camera manufacturers and VMS supplier.
Sony has a "new" 360 camera and they usually have most of their cameras there functions integrated in to different VMS supplier
Which 360 camera manufacturers and VMS version combination support this "solid state PTZ" function?
I could see this function as a good way to monitor rooms whitout loosing information like you would with normal PTZ. But i needs to work with in the VMS client on both live and recorded video.
I would like to see a comparison test between both the 4K cameras of IQinVision and Axis
I'd love to see some test with tiney box camera's. And/or spy stuff.
I occasionally do some work for our internal detective department. I'm sure some others here do similar stuff as well to find them stealing collegues.
What about testing Edge software on board cameras.
This would give a good indication about how valid this kind of a solution this is.
It could be:
Axis with Companion
IQeye with Excaq
Agent-Vi on board an IQeye
IPS analytics onboard Axis
Maybe testing other smaller manufactures as it is often that your test result shows that it is not at all the top 5 players out there that actually makes the best solution and have the best images quality.
Have you ever tried TBT Korea IP Cameras, they have a nice 360 IP Speed Dome
Carlos, I have never heard of them. However, their IR turret PTZ looks interesting / different (though SD only)
John, they have a FHD 1920x1080 30X Optical Zoom according to their catalog. Look here.
Though in a rare reversal the cameras would seem at first look to be only digital ptz, though they are as you say 30x opt, maybe someone should tell their marketing dept?
It looks like they have real optical zoom. This is from the spec sheet you linked to:
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