I am totally onboard. It's a great idea.
That would probably look beautiful for the larger companies but not so much the smaller ones that are fairly new to the scene.
IPVMU Certified | 02/07/15 02:29pm
Great Idea +/-feedback would be fantastic.
I agree John. We are always looking for integrators to partner with around the country, and knowing the potential partner is a frequent contributor to IPVM, to me, would give them more credibility.
John, I totally agree. Another great idea!
I think that would be a great idea. Being a very small integrator in Las Vegas, I'd like the opportunity to get my name out there while networking with other integrators. Excellent idea John. That brings up a good topic. Obviously integrators have to have a system they prefer to install as a go-to standard, but how many integrators stay open to the best solution for the specific application? I for one like to use new software and hardware often. I feel it exposes me to what's going on in the industry, and usually I learn a great deal about where I am knowledge-wise, and how new 'stuff' stacks up to my go-to equipment/VMS.
I think this would be a great idea. Make the integrator answer what their lead VMS product, camera line and Access Control line is. If you can allow searchers to sort by these variables it will make it even better.
Great Idea. Perhaps return integrator listings in a random sort order to be fair to the alphabetically challenged?
Watch out though for liability issues, especially when combining IPVMU certifications with IPVM recommendations...
I like the idea. Knowing if they're a DBE/WBE in their area would also be helpful.
IPVMU Certified | 02/07/15 05:46pm
When I first read the post, I thought no. Keep this forum as manufacturer / dealer / product agnostic as possible. That's one of the main reason for me being here. While my feeling remains, I have been in the position of looking for integrators in other cities. This service could indeed be useful. Keeping it current by the suggested methods is important.
I think a directory not only of integrators, but of service techs in different areas would be useful.
Manufacturers are easy to find online - just google their name. Resellers can often be found under manufacturers' "where to buy" links.
Being a small outfit in Vancouver but doing business all over BC, Alberta, and now with client sites in Saskatoon and Toronto, the ability for us to find people to do sub work in those areas without resorting to such dubious sources as Yelp, would be huge.
Great example: my co-worker and I are due to fly to a client site in Toronto in about a month to do rough-in for surveillance and access control, in large part because we couldn't secure anyone locally that would do it for less. They looked at having the electricians do it, since they're already on site, but it would actually have cost more than sending us out to do it...
Great idea, I would definately use it.
Pro Focus LLC | 02/07/15 08:46pm
John, I think it is a long overdue and great idea. A feedback / comment system for people who have worked with the integratos would be nice. Something like the Amazon feedback system. The feedback system would help buyers separate the good from the bad. If you want to be listed, you better follow through with good work. I don't want to be lumped with other integrators who don't have the same work ethic and attention to detail. The rating system would allow buyers to let others know just who they are dealing with.
As long as the search for best integrator in Chicagoland area always results in Griffon Systems, Inc I am onboard ;)
IPVMU Certified | 02/08/15 07:55am
Excellent idea, John... Keep going.. and please dont't regulate the listing zone in Western continents... We from Asia, Middle East should be considered...
I think it would be a great idea. There should also be an option to filter by tech the integrator uses, as well as what brands they are authorized to do.
Why do not you consider an idea of creating a directory not only for System Integrators but also for other market players like manufacturers (not only mentioned on the site), consultants etc.? It will not be a promotion if it is a full and open list.
You can request from participants to update information on a quarter-half year basis and publish some kind mark Up-to-Date on a profile to motivate them and inform searchers.
Seneca | IPVMU Certified | 02/09/15 02:58pm
This sounds like a good idea John.
One item brought up in all the thought was a rating system (IPVM = Angies list). I would caution against this for now.
As you mentioned, the pool of users is small and it is far too easy for folks to 'game' the system either for or against a specific company.
Regarding their capabilities.... this would be a good thing to have and maintain because folks can use it to sort down to a short list. Perhaps adding how long a company has been in business would be a useful metric I have not seen mentioned.... but I can see how this could hinder the new companies. This is where having reference projects can come in handy.
IPVMU Certified | 02/09/15 04:22pm
"One item brought up in all the thought was a rating system (IPVM = Angies list). I would caution against this for now.
As you mentioned, the pool of users is small and it is far too easy for folks to 'game' the system either for or against a specific company."
I guess the words I used about "agnostic" were not the best chosen - this is more of what I was worried about. We just had the opportunity to suggest a contractor in another city. We chose one based on their experience in cabling, since the majority of the project was data cable. They assured us they've installed access before. Well.... This list could have helped. Go for it, modify as needed when problems arise.
I wouldn't rely solely on the integrators to provide information about their own companies. There should be some verfication process for products, certifications, capabilities, competencies, project size capacity, financials, customer feedback, etc...
IPVMU Certified | 02/11/15 04:48pm
What does everyone think about listing licenses for each integration company?
- Low Voltage
- Video Surveillance
- Access Control
- Burglar Alarms
even common 'other' licenses like:
- Fire Alarms
- Nurse Call
These licenses essentially help qualify a business as legit, so they are a good bit to add.
I think the best approach is to list local/state/regional licenses, but what do you think?
Also another thing to mention is whether or not the integrator will sub-contract out. I know we get asked a ton to do sub-contract work and our policy is to be a prime only.
IPVMU Certified | 02/12/15 04:35pm
All for it. Great idea. Must be kept updated and maintained however to be useful.
Update: We have a live prototype Integrator Finder here.
To start, I added in Eric and Paul's companies as well as one from Hawaii for a little geographical diversity.
Again, it's just a prototype.
Let us know what you think and if you want to be added right away, just respond here or email me - firstname.lastname@example.org
We are going to be doing a lot of enhancements, just wanted to share the initial setup.
It has tremendous potential. Good work to you and your staff.
The beta of the Integrator Finder is now live, with a few fixes and enhancements plus 60 integrators listed (just to give a basic feel).
For feedback, please comment on the new discussion: First Look - The IPVM Integrator Finder