What Do People You Talk To Think Of IPVM?

I am curious. As members, you know and read IPVM but what do other people you talk to think of us? For instance, when you are talking to someone from another company on the phone, at a meeting or tradeshow?

Don't be afraid to hurt our feelings. Things like "No one has ever heard about IPVM" or "They despise you" is perfectly fine.

I am trying to get a sense of how mainstream...

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IPVM? Who are they?

I've been in the industry for 20 years and just heard about you folks 6 months ago.

Well, we are only 5 years old! EJ, how did you hear about us then?

As an extemely new member (less than a month), I think it is a mixed bag. On the positive side, most end users I speak with love having a forum to share thoughts/ideas and review 3rd party test. I would say integrators/manufacturers are on the less positive side. Some integrators/manufacturers seem pleased that there is a 3rd party site for both customer and integrator education (amazing how...

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I am a security integrator. Whenever you have a positive review of a particular product, next time that company's sales rep stops in my office they ask me "Did you see the review of our (whatever product) on IPVM?". I had one whip out his tablet to show me. At least he wasn't copying it and e-mailing it to everyone. The ones that get negative reports, I ask them about it and usually get "it...

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I am living in Finland and found your site about two years ago. I must say that you are not well known in here northern Europe but IMO you have a great site. I have been in surveillance / security industry since 1989 and having own VMS developing team eight years now, so it is very interesting to see latest news.

Undiscloseds, thanks! Funny how IPVM's credibility with manufacturers ebbs and flows with how positive we are about their newest releases!

Pekka, thanks! It's a miracle of the Internet that anyone knows us in Northern Europe!

John, I said I only heard of you folks 6 "months" ago...not years...:)

But I'm glad I did, I love your forum. It's like having an in house R&D team.

Make sure you take the team out this Friday night after work for a beer.

EJ, we are spread out now in 7 different cities :)

I think that many of the manufacturers pay close attention to IPVM...and if they're not they should be. Some probably wish that you would go away. LOL But love you or hate you, you're (or perhaps I should say we're) keeping them honest. I appreciate it when manufacturer's reps participate in discussions, responding to constructive critsism or effectively rebutting a coment that a member...

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Most manufacturers I talk to have heard of IPVM. Opinions are probably neutral on average, some hate IPVM, but most see the value.

Of the integrators I mention IPVM to (I feature several of your articles in my slide presentations ;) ) most have not heard of it before. Those that have usually say it's valuable, others that I have mentioned IPVM to follow to say thanks for making them...

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First of all, no joking about featuring IPVM articles in slides. We all know that Avigilon has an exclusive for using IPVM for promotion - ha ha ha

In all seriousness, though, please let me know if any manufacturer sales people are using IPVM materials in slides. We've had a few reports of camera manufacturers doing so. None of this is...

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A sales rep friend of mine has commented to me...once he knew I was an IPVM member this and I quote:

"Honovich has too much power". Product lines which he reps probably took a hit via shoot out or something. I never followed up on that with him. It could also be taken that what you guys do educates us intergrator / installers / consultants etc and an educated consumer can be a sales...

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Michael, huh? That's weird. From what I can tell from talking to manufacturer sales people, it is our 'business' side posts (layoffs, firing, restructuring, marketing) that appears to have disproportionate impact. They seem to go more viral than our test results, even though we spend far more time on them. Test results are certainly read collectively far more than business ones but they do...

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John, imagine for a moment that you made your living convincing installing security integration firms that product A is a better line then product B and you rep for product A, IPVM can be a threat to your success for many reasons. IPVM produces a product that appears to be thoroughly tested, There appears to be no slant. You accept no money from manufacturers that will expect favorable...

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I'll tell you what I have heard and honestly what I initially thought as well. Basically it goes something like this:

"Why the hell would I pay that kind of money to join a blog/forum when I can see all that information for free from other sites"

Luckily I overcame this hurdle because I knew of other people that I respected that were members of this site that found value. And...

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Michael, I agree. Thanks!

Sean, that seems to be a prevalent attitude at CCTVForum in particular :) While I do not want to give trial memberships, I do think it would be useful to offer some more free sample so people can see the difference (e.g., here's a free test we've recently been promoting).

Yeah but you sed to give trial memberships at one time, right? I normally don't try anything without a free trial unless it's something for sure I know about.

We have never done free trials, and it has not been an issue. Conceivably, free trials could increase members even more but it might not. As we get bigger, we will offer more for free (whether samples or possibly limited access) but that is not a priority.

Regarding free trials, one thing to try might be to make older articles convert from PRO to Free after like 2 years. Even though the industry moves slow, I think the value of much of the data deteriorates over time, at least for shootouts and stuff like that. Things that are more timeless, like pixels-per-foot tutorials, would stay PRO-only.

This would give people a better...

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Brian, I think it makes sense to open some of the older articles. One thing that I do not want to do is open up test results for specific manufacturers because I do not want to give any impression that those are public because it has been paid for (regardless of its age).

I think a lot of people in the industry that work for manufacturers who have been subject to negative tests by IPVM have a serious dislike for IPVM. If you had a hard time selling a product because an end user said "IPVM had terrible things to say about your product." and your commission took a hit because of it how would you feel? I don't think this should come as a...

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I understands IPVM's concern about protecting their copywrited content. If it didn't happen, this membership funded independant testing organiation would cease to exist. However, I believe that an integrator should have some way of providing printed material or giving electronic access of IPVM tests to a perspective client. If a product is being recommended by an integrator based partly on...

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Vincent, thanks for the good feedback. In terms of sharing tests with clients, it is not a money issue, but a promotional problem. I do not want integrators using IPVM like it's a Frost & Sullivan award, because it can make us appear that we are endorsing the sale of certain products.

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I decided I needed an IPVM.COM subscription after I noticed multiple vendor complaining about John. You can identify a useful Internet information source by who they piss off ;-) I find it quite useful even if just to remind (screwing up) integrators that they could buy an IPVM.COM subscription just for the tutorials - 100 dollars a quarter is not going to break anyone's training...

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I hear mixed reviews. Some are aware of IPVM and some are not. The integrator side is pretty aware of the site as they really value the information. I believe very strongly in testing and knowing ahead of time the test results of certain technologies. Specifically IPVM helps me advance my knowledge of what things I need to get educated on. With out the exposure to all the technologies...

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I haven't talked to many people that have heard of IPVM, but I can say that it has been a wealth of knowledge and haven't found this information anywhere else from other websites I have looked into. You are very similar to the site I'm part of for professional audio, Syn-Aud-Con. However, I believe manufactures support them and they don't really give product reviews but instead mainly have...

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IPVM is gaining momentum all the way down here in Oz. I guess its been slow to get exposure and get those all important subscriptions from the punters here but more and more people are talking about IPVM and the articles, tests and forums. Keep up the great work :)

I can't say I have heard good or bad press about IPVM. Other than myself acknowledging I use it and me myself promoting it as the Comsumer Reports for the CCTV world, I have not had a sales guy tell me about it.

Everytime I hear of a product or get told about this or that I always do my research via what has IPVM said about the company or their product. If a sales guy or manufacture...

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My opinion, in general, is that if you are 'ticking' someone off you are probably doing the right thing.

John,

For an A&E or specifier, which is my role, having access to untainted (not necessarily unbiased) test data is invaluable. By far the majority of your test are competently done. They also focus on key issues, such as low-light performance which often drives camera selection for exterior areas. I regard the occassional bias as reflecting your many years of dealing with...

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Jim said it best, "data transparency" is key. It is difficult to be unbiased but when balanced with well founded knowledge and information it is easier for us mere mortals to filter the good from the bad to make educated decisions.

Joel Kriener

As an entrepreneur I value the business coverage: particularly the cautionary tales regarding security startups gone wrong.

"My opinion, in general, is that if you are 'ticking' someone off you are probably doing the right thing."

I think that may depend on who it is you're pissing off, for instance the Russian Hacking underground

John - that story might make a pretty...

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Sometimes I discuss your content with colleagues. About 38% likes the information, 60% remains neutral and 2% hate it.

Being in the manufacturing side of things I can say I personally love IPVM. It's nice to hear an unbiased, yet educated opinion or factually based finding good or bad.

The truth will set us free (unless we don't want to hear it...then it'll just make us mad).

This industry and others needs an organization like IPVM to keep everyone on there toes. Plus you allow manufacturers...

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I think a lot of the inspiration for negative feelings and comments is that security (while it now 'includes' it) is not the IT industry. I've only been in the industry for about 7 years, IT and military experience before that, but I hear stories about the early days of the industry, conventions with people in patent leather shoes, slick smiles, and lots of grease for your palm.

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