"Trunkslammer" Or "Man In The Van" - Which Is Better?

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John Honovich
Jun 22, 2018
IPVM

In the US, people commonly say 'trunkslammer' while in the UK "man in the van" is more commonly used for lower-end, less or unqualified installers.

Which one do you like better? Or is it neither as the terms are derogatory? Other?

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Jay Hobdy
Jun 22, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I voted trunk slammer. At least the van looks more professional and can carry a ladder. You can't beat pulling a folding ladder out of the trunk of your Civic or lowering your windows so you can undo the tie straps on your Honda Accord...

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Jay Hobdy
Jun 22, 2018
IPVMU Certified

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Luis Carmona
Jun 22, 2018
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

You're taller than I expected, Jay. :)

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Jeff Kaproth
Jun 22, 2018

There is a lot to be taken into consideration here before we make such harsh accusations. 

 

When the trunk is slammed, does it latch the first time?  Does a fender shake displaying how the vehicle is falling apart?  Is the back seat down and the trunk has now extended all the way to the front seat, and even taken up a portion of the passenger seat?

 

On the flip side, does the van have windows?  Has it undergone some sort of conversion utilizing 2x4s and bungee cords?  is a paddle lock hasp installed at any of the doors?  

 

In either case, has paint work  been completed with a $3 can with BBs in it?  

 

Vote for trunk slammer, only because that is what I have always heard.

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 22, 2018

I believe “Trunk Slammer” is also a state of mind. 

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Undisclosed #3
Jun 22, 2018

That's a pretty deep answer (I agreed). So, like:

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Brian Rhodes
Jun 22, 2018
IPVMU Certified

This image template has promise.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Jun 22, 2018

Man in the Van Trunkslammer

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Undisclosed #6
Jun 22, 2018

aint done today, aint done tomorrow

aint designed thoroughly

aint doin that!

always done twice

another disaster thwarted

attention deficit txxxxxxxxxx

alarms don't trip

all dirty trunks

 

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Sean Nelson
Jun 22, 2018
Nelly's Security

At least the man in the van spent some capital to buy the van

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Shannon Davis
Jun 22, 2018
IPVMU Certified

A man in a van is just that,a man in a van. Until he/she gets labeled as a trunk slammer due to bad, unethical work practices then that person maybe a well qualified individual. I owned my own business years ago and had a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a nice magnetic logo and phone number on the side. I had companies calling and requesting my services for subcontracting as they new my quality, workmanship and ethics. Sure it didn't look as nice as the "Big Boys" driving down the road but I could outperform them blind folded. We use a sub that has a plain white van and he does incredible work for us.

I will say this though is that when the man in a van pulls up and a bunch of McDonald's wrappers and cigarette buts falls out when he opens the door then I guarantee that is a trunk slammer and run, run fast.

I even agreed with Sean that at least the man in the van spent some capital to buy the van. :)

 

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Undisclosed #4
Jun 22, 2018
IPVMU Certified
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Undisclosed Distributor #5
Jun 22, 2018

"Trunkslammer" makes the point more vividly. "Man in the Van" should be reserved for more sinister behaviors.

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Michael Silva
Jun 22, 2018
Silva Consultants

When I started my burglar alarm business at age 16, I didn't have a trunk to slam. I took the bus to all of my job sites and borrowed ladders from either the customer or one of their neighbors. 

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Daniel S-T
Jun 22, 2018

That's fantastic! I took the bus to a customer for a service call once, when I had lost my license for a few months. Customer had a big laugh about it.

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Undisclosed #6
Jun 22, 2018

 

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Undisclosed #6
Jun 22, 2018

That's some mighty fine security right there...

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Undisclosed Integrator #7
Jun 26, 2018

John, my understanding is that the term trunk slammer is meant to infer a non-committed kind of transient operator and that its origins were from early days of computer systems support. These operators generally had no business structure, registration, licensing or insurances so as soon as the trunk slammed the support ended.

The pictures and the jibes are all a bit of fun I know but if the operator has a registered business, appropriate licensing, insurances, taxation liabilities, wages, investment in tools and equipment and an ongoing training strategy then regardless of where they may be on the 'learning curve' neither term would be applicable.

Of course, most areas of industry include operators that avoid these responsibilities and they should be called out for it.

I have noticed historically in some threads here that the term trunk slammer has been used in a derogatory manner and it made me personally feel a little uncomfortable. Many years ago I had a humbling experience where I realised that an industry may only be as strong as its weakest link. Bullying that guy is generally not helpful for anyone. My vote is for neither, I would think at this level that name calling is not needed or appropriate. Perhaps that is best left for the politicians.

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Undisclosed #4
Jun 26, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I have noticed historically in some threads here that the term trunk slammer has been used in a derogatory manner and it made me personally feel a little uncomfortable.

Unless you operate unethically as a fly-by-night operation, looking to maximize profits and minimize quality, you should not feel personally targeted by the term.

Bullying that guy is generally not helpful for anyone.

Actually no one is being bullied because no one seriously self-identifies with the term “trunk slammer”.  It’s not a group like Asian or even “newbies”, which have some objective basis for inclusion.

Its purely in the eye of the installer, and many who use the term here, might themselves be considered the same their peers.

In short, calling out “trunk slammer” is really a reminder to all of us to strive to be better at what we do.

Also it’s funny as hell...

 

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John Honovich
Jun 27, 2018
IPVM

#7, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I voted it informative.

I do think the industry needs some term for the type of integrator that only cares about making a quick buck, selling the cheapest thing on sale at the local branch, not caring about training or quality, etc.

As for 'trunkslammer', to the extent it literally means anything, it would imply someone working out of his car (in contrast to the UK term 'Man In the Van'). To that extent, I think they are exceedingly few integrators / installers that literally work out of their car.

To me, and most industry people, the term is more about the approach of the company than what they drive. And I am open to a better term but I think it's important to have some term that easily connotes a real problem in this industry.

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