Stripped Security Screws In The Field: How Often And What Do You Do?

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John Scanlan
Jul 03, 2018
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While routinely breaking down a test we had a security screw that became stuck, then stripped.

I tried to use a screw extractor, but the center post of the security screw prevented the extractor from biting into the screw, and just spun.

The final solution was to use a Dremel with a diamond bit and it worked, but I couldn't help think what a headache this would be during an install or service call. How often do you see these issues in the field? How do you handle them?

For clarity's sake, the tools used to install and remove the dome were the manufacturer provided security T15 bit and a low power rechargeable electric screw driver that we have used on every other dome tested in the past three years, so we aren't exactly sure how it became so stuck.

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Brian Rhodes
Jul 03, 2018
IPVMU Certified

One trick to try if you have time onsite to do other work:

Get some 2-part epoxy, like JB Weld or similar, mix up enough for a dab to cover and fill the stripped out screw head. 

Wait for the mixed epoxy to get a little tacky (maybe 90 seconds) and then press another screw head first into the epoxy dab. 

Press long enough so it sticks, then let it dry.  A minimum of two or three hours.

Then return, tighten your driver/drill chuck onto the screw sticking out, and slowly back things out/unscrew.

The epoxy bond may break eventually, but usually things are strong enough to unscrew.  You'll need to replace the security screw with a new, unstripped one.

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 03, 2018
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Wait for the mixed epoxy to get a little tacky (maybe 90 seconds) and then press another screw head first into the epoxy dab.

Sounds good, but why not just epoxy a security bit into the screw head?

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Brian Rhodes
Jul 03, 2018
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Because they cost more than extra screws and epoxying them trashes them from further use.

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 03, 2018
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Because they cost more than extra screws...

That’s true.  

Btw, Harbor Freight has a good selection of inexpensive “one and done” bits, perfect for such off-label use.  Just be careful not to let them mingle with the good bits. ;)

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Jul 03, 2018

This is brilliant!  Definitely adding this to memory.

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Kevin Nadai
Jul 03, 2018

Cameras rated for outdoor use often have stainless steel screws so they won't rust. Stainless steel is soft, even to a low power driver.

The trick is to use a driver or drill with an adjustable clutch, and only use just enough torque to barely seat the screw. Use high-quality bits and be careful to keep the tool straight while turning.

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Undisclosed #3
Jul 03, 2018

What you describe sounds like galling. It's a big problem with stainless to stainless (eg: stainless screw/bolt into stainless nut/threaded hole), but also happens a lot with some aluminums.

 

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 03, 2018
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What you describe sounds like galling.

In every sense of the word ;)

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Undisclosed Integrator #4
Jul 06, 2018

I personally have never encountered a stripped screw in the field but it's known to happen. What I'd suggest is to get the screw to engage the threads screwing it in by hand the first few rotations and only after that using the electric screwdriver. There's always a possibility of the screw engaging the thread incorrectly and stripping itself if you start out with the electric screwdriver. This is especially true for the chinesium screws. If it's for indoors, one missing screw isn't going to cause you trouble but it could be a bigger headache in an outdoor camera.

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Shannon Davis
Jul 06, 2018
IPVMU Certified

The first thing to do is to break off the center post. Fairly easy to do with a small flat tip. Have done this on accident many times trying to open a camera and didn't have the appropriate security bit tip. After that a small extractor may work. 

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Undisclosed Integrator #5
Jul 11, 2018

theres always the hacksaw/cutting wheel groove and a flathead screwdriver.  I see alot of broken center posts due to "tweeker" screwdrivers being used instead of security torx. As for the extractor and post issue, I would use a drill sized to fit in hex hole and drill/break off post or needlenose, or last resort... tweeker

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 11, 2018
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"tweeker" screwdrivers

“tweaker” screwdrivers ?

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John Scanlan
Jul 11, 2018
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Tweaker screwdrivers or  precision screwdrivers or jeweler drivers or those real little ones (1mm - 3mm)

 

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 11, 2018
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I was more inquiring about the spelling, Brian already gave me the etymology ;)

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