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Recently Became A Verkada Certified Partner, Am I Making A Mistake Promoting Something I Believe Is "Top Shelf"?
11/10/22 09:10pm
Hello: Having used Verkada's platform and hardware for a year+ now I signed up our small group and became certified partners. Did this knowing of two (2) immediate local schools planning to enhance their physical security. Been hearing a few things about "HAAS" and Verkada from, what I thought was a respected / knowledgeable person. Wow! Even when I simply asked an online group, "Is anyone familiar with Verkada and physical security" this guy immediately accused me of "not stating that I was affiliated with Verkada "soon enough" in the conversation!
What's YOUR bottom line on Verkada? Am I making a mistake promoting something that I believe is "top shelf"?
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| 11/10/22 10:09pm
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11/10/22 10:11pm
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| 11/10/22 10:52pm
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**** *** *** ***** ** *** dealer/installer *******. *** *** ******* ***** stuff *** **** **** ** **** than ***** ** **** **** ******** to ******* **** ** **** *** end **** ************. ***** *** ******* verkada **** ** ***** ******** ** customers *** **** ******** ******* *** this *** ****** ****** **** ******* valuation *** ******.
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*** **** **** *** ******* ***** any *******.
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** ****** ***, *** *** **** hostage. ** ** ** **** *********.
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**** ******** **** *** * *****, many ******** ****** ** ** *****, but ****** ****** ***** *** ********* and *********. **** ********* **** *** with *** ********, **** **** *** make **** **** ** ******* ********. Often ******* ** ***** *** ****** is, ***** ** ** ****** *** security ****** **** *** ***** **** are ******** ******* ****** *** ****** products **** "*" *******.
** **** ****** ** **** ***** not ********** **** **** **** ****-*** technology ******** *** ******** **** "*** software ****** ***** **** *** *********, monitoring *** **** **** ********" ** so *********** ** ****** **** ** becomes, ** *******, ********* ** ********* or ****** "**** ***"!
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* ***** *** *** *** *** making * *******. ****** ** ***** options ******* *** ****-** ***** **** the *** *******.
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| 11/10/22 10:57pm
***... ***** *********** **** ******** ************, wouldn't *** *****? *** *** ******* still ****** *** ************ ************ ********* ***********~
*'* ****** **** '*** ********" **** the ******** **** **** ******** **** you've ****** **** *******~
*** **** ** **** *** * posted **** **** ****. ***** **** you ******* ***** *** ***'* *******.
******* ******* **** ***** ** ***** systems ** *** **** *****?
****, *** *** ****** **** *** other ****** ****'* ******?
*** ***** * ***** **** ****** themselves? ** *** ***** **** ** not **** ***?
*******, ******** **** ***** ****** ** a ******** ******** ***** ***** ** punished, ***** *** ******** *** *** cant **** ****** ** ******** **** day *** *** ** *********. ***** are ****** ** ********* ***** **** and ******* ** *** **** ****** in *** ********. * ***** **** your **** ** ****** ** ******* your ********. *** *** ******* *********** it ******** ** **** ******** ****. Somehow, **** ********** **** *** **** this.
@******* *** - * *** ***** to **** *** **** ** ***** with *** ** ******* ** *** Director ** ******** ***** *** ********** at * $** ******** ******* (******** similar ** **** ** ********) *** legitimately ****** ** **-******* ******* ******** with ********** *** ******* ** **-***** demo ******. * *** ***** ** share **** *** ** ********** **** their ***** ****, ******* **-******** ****, engineering ****, *** ******* ****. * was ***** ** ***** **** *** my ********** **** * *** ***** of *******. *** ******* **** ***** to @******* ****** *** ******* *** a ********** ****** ** **** ****** question **** *** **** ******** *** disregarded, * *** ******** ** ****** as * ** *** ******* *** are ******* ** **** *******.
*******, ***** ** ***, *** **** make **** ** ******* ***** **** this ******! :)
** * ****** * ******* ********* something **** * ******* ** "*** shelf"?
* ***'* ***** ** *** ****** whether *** *** ****** * *******, simply ******* ** ***'* **** **** much ***** ***. *** **** **** happy ** **** ******!
** *** *** ******** ***** *** mentioned:
**** ** * ****' ******** **** DOESN'T [******] ** "*** **** **** with ******"."*** **** ******** **** **** **** competitive ********** *** ***** ** **** and ******-*** *********"!(*** *******'* ******, ******** *** ******* address!)
******* *** * "****** ******" ********, to *** * **** ******** ******** than ******* ** * *******. **** customers ***** ** ***** ****-**** ********** if *** ** *** ***, ******* keeps ** ******** **** ** **** features.
*** ***** ****'* ********* *** **** is **** "*** ******* **** **** others" ** ****** ** **** ******** - ******** ********. **** ********* *** very ****** *******, **** ******* *****. And ******* ** *** ** **** a *** **** ******** ******* ******** those **** *********.
** *** **** ********* *** **** Verkada *******, *** **** * ** 10 ***** ** * **** **** and ****** ******, *** ***** ********* will **** * **** **** ** they **** *** ** *** ***.
***, * ***** *** *** **** thing ***** **** ** ******** ** Hanwha ** ********. ** *** ***** where ***** ********* **** *** ** and ***** ****** ** *** *********** long-term *****.
**** ****. ********** ** ***** ********* with ***** *** ********** ** ****** a ***** ********. *** ******* ** works ** ****** *** **** ** the *********, (** ****** ***** ****), but ******* ****** *** **** **** is ****** *** ****** ******.
* ****** ** *** ***** ***** and ****** ********* ********.
**** **** **** ******* ** ****** a ******* ********* ******* ******?
**** ** * ****' ******** **** DOESN'T [******] ** "*** **** **** with ******".
**** ** *** ********* ******** **** Netflix. **** *** *** (****** *** maybe *****) ****. *** *** **** Netflix ** **** **** *****. *** can ****** ****** ***** ** **** MacBook. *** *** *** ****... ***... Inter ******** **** ******** *** ******** to ******. ** *** ***'* **** your ****, *** *** **** ** a ********* ****** **** **** ******* account.
******* ***** *** ** *** ****** with ** *******. ****** ****** ****** to ****** ****. **** *** ********* offer *******, ***, *****, ****, ***. Verkada ** ******* *** ** ******** and ******** *** **** ** ** skummy ****. **** ** ***** ***** of ******** * ****** ********. ********** with *********** *** ********* *** ***** laws. ** ** * ******* *****. You *** ***** **** *** ********** and ******* *** ***** *** **** is **** ******* *******.
11/11/22 12:06am
**' ****...***** ******* "* **** ***** ** replies ** ** ******* *****" ** brings ** **** *** **** ********* people ***,********* ************* * **** ******** ******* ** the *******Amway ***********! Most** *** ******* *'** **** ***** ******* ***** views ****'* ********** **** [********] ***** it's ********* ** ******** *****... *** nothing ***** ****"**** **** *** ***** **** ***** neighbor's ****** ***-*******"** ******* *******.
* ********* *** ** *** ****** attention ** **-****** ******* *** ******** that **** ****** ** ** **** the*************®********, ******** *** ********. **,** *****,**** ***** *** ********,**?
* ********: ****** ********** ** *************. Not ***** ** * ********** ****!
**** **** ***** ** *** ********** *** **** ********* **** ** answered. **** ** *** *****!!
*** *****'* *******, ***** ******* ***** like * ***** **** *** **** with **** ******.
** * **** ******* * ***** be *********** ** ** ********* **** someone **** ****.
* **** ** **** *** ** feel ***** **** ******* ***
* **** **** *******, **** * want * *-******** ****** ***** *** supplement ******** ** ** ** ******** security ******. **** ****, *** **** in **** * *****.
* ******** ** *** ******** ******* sells *** ******** **** ********. **** saw **** ** *** * ******** company *** ***** ** **** ** on ******* ** **** **** **** "certified ********" **** ****.
* **** ****, "** ***'* ******* to **** ** ******* **** ********. We **** ***'********** **** ** ******* ***** ************."
**** **** ***** ******* ******* (*** all ***** ********) **** ***** ******** model.
**** * **** * *-******** ****** drink *** ********** ******** ** ** my ******** ******** ******.
*** ****** *** ****-***** *** ********.
*'* ****** ********* **** ******* ***** a ******* *******.
*** **** *********** ******* **** **** looks ** ** * ***** ****** that *** ** ********. *** **** Mexico ** **** ***** *** *****...
*** ** ***** "** * ****** a ******* ********* ********* **** * believe ** "*** *****"? "
** * ****, ***. *** ** many ******* ********** *** ********* ** nauseum **** *** ***** ****** ** the *** ** ** ******* ** even *** **** ****** ********.
******** - **** *** **** **** intent **** *** ******? *** ********* were *** ****** ********** ** ******* other ******** ** ***********. ** *** post ** ** *** *** ***** seeking ***********?
** ***** ******** ***** *** ***** be ******* * "*****" - *** for ** ****'* **** *** *** doing ****. ***** * *** ******* looking ** *** ****** ** *** things ** **** - *** *********** they ******* *** *** ****** ** information ********* ** *** ********** ********** of *** *** *******. **** *** incredibly ******** *********, ************ ******** ** an ********** ****, ****** ********** *** personal ********* ******.
** * ****** ***** **** *** IPVM "***********" ? ****. * **** for * **** ***** ********** / provider - *** ***************** ** *** "company" ** ***** ********** ** ****** from ****** ** ******* ** **** the ******* ***** ****. * ** experienced ****** ** ********** **** ** I ****** ** ****** **** *********** to *** *** ******* * ********* perspective.
*** ******** * ******** - ** it **** ** ****** *** ********* of ***** **** **+% *** ****** they **** *** *** **** ******** experience **** * ******* / ****** / ******* / *** ****? ** your *** ***** * ***** *** can ****** ** ****** *** **** but ***'* *** ***** **** *** 95% **** **** ****** ** ******** with **** ****.
** ******* ********* ******* ***** ******* now? ***** ****'* *** **********. * see *** ** ***** ***** ** Amway *****. **** ***** **** * perfect ********. * ***** *'* ****** but **** **** ***** ** ******** than *******.
******* ******: ******** ****** ** *** Family ****, ********* *** ********** ******, some ******* ********* ** *****, ** odd ***** ********* ****** ********** **** relief **********, *** ******* *******. **** Ohio **** * *** **** ***?
* ******** * **** ****** *** tested ***** ****** ********* *** **** recognition ***** * **** ***.
*** ****** *** *** ******** ** all *** *** **** ***************.
** **** ***** **** **** *** as *** "***** ********" *** * am ***** ********* **** *** ******** of ***** *********.
***** *** *** **********.
*** ***** ****** *** ***** *** uneducated ** *** *******... **** *** articles ********* .
** ***** *** *******!
** **** *** * ****, ** would ** *****. ******** ***** ** time ********** **** ***** *** *****.
******** ****** * ******* ********* *******...
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** * ****** * ******* ********* Something * ******* ** "*** *****"?
*** **** ** ****, ** * Certified *******, ** *** "** * ****** * ******* ********* Something * ******* ** "*** *****"?
** *** ******* **** ******* ************ in ***** ********** *******? *** ************ for *** *** *******.
* ***** *** *** **** **** you ***'* ** * ********* ******* by *** *** ** *** ****.
*'* *** **** ** ******* **** get *** ** *******. **** **** there **** **** **** **** * lemonade ***** ***** ** ** ************. They **** **** ******* *******! ******* will **** ****** * "*******". * am ***** ** **** ** *** up *** *** ** **** *** him ** ******* ** * ********* partner. * ***** * ******* **** what ***** ****** ** * *** this.....
*'* *** **** ** ******* **** get *** ** *******
********* ********* **** * ******* ***** by * *** ********* ** ** $11 ******* ***** *** ** ******. ****, **** ******* **** *** repeatedly ******** ***** ***, **** ****** we ******** ** ** -** *******, ** ********** **** - Verkada ******** ******* *** *** *** NJ ****** ********,"****-****" ******* *** ******* ******* ******* at ** ****** ******. ** ***** ******* ********** *** they ***** ********* *** **** ** seen *** ******** ** **** ****** action ******* *** *******.
* ** ***** ** **** ** dog ** *** *** ** **** let *** ** ******* ** * certified *******.
* *** ******* ********* ******* ***** into ****...
*** *** ********* * ******* **** exposes ***** ******* ** ***** ****, promotes ****** **********, ********** ***** ”******* as * *******” *****! ** **** company ** ***** ** ******, ****** and ********** *** *******’* **** ******** to ** **** **** ************* ** a *******.
**** ****** *** **** ************ ** go *******.
* **-****** **** ** **** ******* tells ** **** **'* *** *** that ****** ** *********** ** ** partnered **** *******, *** *** ***** way ******.
**** ***** ******* * *** ** posts... *** * **** **** **... WOW!
*************, **.
** ******* **** ** ***** *** Verkada "********** ********", **** ****** *** "remaining **%" ** *** **** ** the *********, ********* *** ***** ** Verkada.
** ******* **** * ******** ** the "********* **%" ** *** *******'* Verkada **** ** ***** ******** *** Verkada ***********, ********** ******** **** *** industry ** ******* *** *****, **** arguing **** ****** **** ******* **** a ***** *****.
**** ****** *** ********... **** *** low *** *** ******* ************ ** become * ******* *******?
* ***** **** ** ******* **** the **. ** **** *** *** capabilities ******* *** ********* (*** ****) by *** **** **** ******* ** security ******* *** ****** ******* ******* the *******. ****, ** **** **** than * ****** ****** ** ****** from (********), ********* ******* *** ******.
*** ****** ******** ** **** *********, takes **** *********, *** ****** ******* resolution, *** *** ** ********** **** almost ********* ********* (*** ** ***** is $$$).
***** ** *****!
**'* * *****. * *** ******** looking *** **** ********* ********* *** OPs ******** ****. ************* ****'* *** what ** *** ******* ***. *** this ***** ** ****** **** ** to ******* **** ****** *: ** is *** **** ** ****** **** regardless ** *** ***** ** *: is **** ******* **** ** ******* then ***** *********.
****** *** ** ***** *** **** thing **'** ****** ** **...****. *** experience **** **** ** ****, ** just **** * *** **** ** it *** **** ** ** ** the ***** *** *****.
* **** ********* *** ******** ** him ** *** *** ****** ******* of ********, *** **'* **** ** clear **** ******** **** *** **** result ** * ******** ** * defensive ****** ******* ** *** ********** in ********. * **** *** **** in *** ******** *** **** **** his ****** ** ********* *****'* ****** his **** **** ******** **** *** customers **'* ********* ******* *********. ******* if ** ****, ***'* *** ** warn ***.
********'* ******* ** ******* *** *** Amway/MLM ********** *** ******* **********. *** real ********* ****** **:
*. ** *** **** ** ***** license? ** ******** ** **** ************ or *****.
*. **** ** **** ********* ********* limits?
*. **** ***** ************** ** *** or **** ***** ****? ***, ****, RCDD, ***, *****, *********, ***.
*. ********** ** *** ******* *************.
*** ******* *** ******** *** **** an **** ******. ******* ***** ****** an **** ******. ** ********* ***'* like **** ***********. *** ********* ***** should ****** ** *** **** *****.
***** *** * ********* ***** * video **** ** ****. * ******* it ******* ** *** *** ******** related. ** *** *** ********** ***** ****** ******* *******, *** ****.
*** *******, **** ** * ***** he **** ***** ***** ********* ********:
***, ******* ** *** ******, ******** Verkada ********* ** *****.
Verkada *** ** ********** ********** ** ** ********** *** ****** ******** ******** **** *** ************ ******* ****** *** ..
- ***** ******** ******* ****** ** end **** *** ********* ******* *********** to ************ ********/****** ******** *****
- ****** ******* *** ********** ** video, ********, *** ****** ******* **** is **** ** ***, *** **** access **** *** ******** ****** ******** service.
- ****** ***** ******** *********** ********* that *** ******** *** *** ** implemented ** ****** **** *** ***** a ****** *** ******* ** ** a ******* ****.
- ********* ***** ****** ***** ******* via **-**** ** ***** ***** ** future *********, ****** *** ******* ******* from **** ** ******** ** ******** provided. **** ******** ** ***** **** and ****** ** ***** ******** ***** replaced ** ******* ******** ** * profit. ** **** **** ******* ********.
- *********** ******* ** *** ***** in ******* *** * ******* **** without ********* **** *** ******* ******** will ** ****** ** *** ****** to ******* *** ******* *** ***** they **** ***-****.
*** ** ******** *** ***** ******** the *********/*********** *** ******* ** ****** the **** **** **** ..
- **** *** *********** ** *** company ***** ** *** ******* *** company *** *** **** *** ********* income ** ******** ********* *** ******** for ***** **** **** ***-**** *** possibly **** *****.
- ****** ******* ** ****** ** able ** ******* *** ***** ** warranty ******** *** ***** **** **** been ***-**** *** ****** ********** ** installation *** ******** ********** ** ***** customers ** **** *** *** ** value, *** *** *** ** ******** by *** ***** ********.
AND ** ******** *** *** ********* ******* ******** **** *** *********, ******* ********* *** ******* ** ****** *** **** **** **** ..
- * ******* ****** ** ***’ cash ********* **** ****’ **** *** investors ***** *********** ***** ** **** enough ********* ******* ** ******** ********* services ** ***’ ***-**** *********, *** resultingly ******* ***** ********.
- * ******* ********* ** * loss **** ** *** ******** ** additional ***** ** **** ** **** loss ***** ****** ************ ** *** investors.
- ******** ********* ***** ** ***** with ***** *****.
- ***** *** ******** *** ***-**** liquidation *** *** **** ****** *** repayment ** ********** ** ***** *******.
- *** **** ********* ********* * return ** ***** ********** ***** ** the ***** ** *** ***** ***.
******* *** **** ** ********* *** of ******* **** ******/******/********* *** ********* exist *** *** ******** **** *******, however **** **** ******* ********* *** withdrawn ***** ******* *** ****** ** advance. **** *** ********** ****** **** will *** *** *** ********* ******** capital ****.
**** ******* ** ** ****** **** to ******* *** ******** *** ***** they **** **** ***-****, ***** ********* will ** ***** **** ******** ********** and *****-********* **** *** ** ***** or ***. **** *** *** **** be **** ** ******* ******** **********. Since *** ******** ** ***********, ** would **** ** ** ********* *** reinvestment *** *** ******** *** ************ of *** ********* ***** ** ******** to ***** ******* **** **** *******.
******* *** ************ **** *** ******** and ***** ** ***** **** *** offered *** *********** ****** *** ********* to *** **** ******* *** ******** and ******** ** ******* ** * company **** ***** *** ******** ********* without ********* *** ***** *** *** investment.
**** **** **** ***** **** ********* will ****** ***** **** ** ****** at ********* **** ***** ***** ** justified ** ****** ** *******.
***** ****** ** ***** *** ****** itself ** ** ********* *********, *** when *** ****** ** *** ******** capital ***** **** (** ** *** already), ** ****** ** **** **********, it **** ** ********* ***** *** the ****-** ********* *** ****-** *********. (think ****** ******)
******** ****** ***** ***** *******, **** sincerely **** **** ** *** ****, because ***** ******** **** **** ******** to *** *** ********* ****** **** to ******* *** **** ******** ***** and ******** ******, *** ******** *** our *******. ************ **** ********* ****** easily ****** ** ****** *** ******* the ******** ****** **** ********* ****, so **** ***** ** **** ***********.
******* *** ******** ** ******* **** recovered ****** ** ***** ******** *********** and ******* **** ******** ** *** stock ****** **** **** *** *** pivot ** ****** ********* ********* *** conservative ******. ******* **** ****** **** their ****** ********* *** ******** ** gross ****-********* *** ******** ** ******* assets ******* ************ *** ********* ** risk. ** *** ** *** **** been **** *** *** ******** *********, now ** ** **** ** ***** about *** ******* ****.
** **** **-******* ******* ** ******** profitable, ******** ******** *** ********* **** until **** *** *** **** ****. Perhaps ******** ***** ******* ***** ****** to ******** ****** **** **** **** onboarding ***** *** ********* ********. ********* pre-billed ******** ****** **** ** ****, also ******** **** **** *********.
****** *** ********** ********* ***** ************ Retail ***** ***** *** ******* **** System *********** *** ** ********* ******* in *** ********, *** ******* ********* their ********* *********. ** ******* *** secure ***** *********’ *********** ******* ***** upgrades. **** ******** **** * ******* cloud ******* ******* ** ******* ** hardware *******. ****** *** ***** ***** investors *** ********* **** ****** ** them. ** ********** ******* ******* *** growing ***** ****, **** ***** ********** to ****** * ******* ********* ****** generated ********* *** **** *** ******.
*** ***** ** **** ** ******** from **** ** "*** *****" ** "Good *****". ** **** ******* ***** this *** **** ** **** **** want.
** *** ******* ** ********* * product ***** *** ****** ******* ********** (except *** *******) *** ** ** abandoned ** **** **** ********* ******** or ** ****** ***** ********** ********.
** ** **** ***** ***-****** *-** years ** ******* ** * ***** investment *** ***** *******.
**** **** ******** ** ****** ** to *******, *** ***** ** ** loyalty ** *** ** ******.
**** *** ****, *** *** ******** lifetime ********* *** ****.
** **** ***** *** *** **** it ** * ******* *******.
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