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PSIM Vs VMS?

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Mahmut Bulut
Nov 19, 2016

My question is we have different type of camera system as Pelco, hikvision, dahua, axis, etc.. and we are using their vms softwares as endura, ivms,etc. Now we want to get out of camera depended. Is PSIM fit for us? Or we need VMS like GENETEC, etc..?

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Michael Miller
Nov 19, 2016

Long has you select a VMS that supports all the current cameras you have or want to use a VMS will do what you are looking for.

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Mahmut Bulut
Nov 19, 2016

We are thinking to get PSIM app but we dont sure that it leads VMS functionalaty. We have different type of systems like camera, tunnel scada, traffic sensors, etc.. we want t5o connect those devices on the PSIM as logical. at this scenerio that we need VMS software or PSIM is enough?

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John Honovich
Nov 20, 2016
IPVM

Mahmut, We have a post on this topic: VMS vs PSIM

Are you planning to keep recorders from different manufacturer on the site / end user? For example, if an organization has Hikvision NVR, Dahua NVR, Pelco Endura, etc., and wants to manage and monitor them as one, they probably need a PSIM.

Btw, Genetec is a weird case because it's more of a PSIM than a VMS, in the sense it integrates with many 3rd party systems (including video) and does a lot of command / control / response management.

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Mahmut Bulut
Nov 21, 2016

Thank you.

Yes, we are thinking to keep different camera manufacturer on the client as one software that manage recording,montioring and alarm events. we want to get rid of camera dependency! And add extra function as event management.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Dec 07, 2016

PSIM is recommended if you have disparate systems that do not interoperate natively. If the cameras are all or some of the cameras are analog and you want to migrate to a common platform the answer is to use encoders to convert the analog to IP and then any VMS can centrally manage all the devices.

If you want to integrate the different third party systems you describe then most likely you will need a PSIM. A PSIM has alot of the functionality of the SCADA but actually on a higher level. I am assuming you are using the SCADA for traffic management. PSIM will plug in much smoother than a VMS system but it is costly.

The advantage of a PSIM is you can create your own user interface, rules, workflow, etc. Something a VMS has challenges with. The usual turnoff from PSIM is the cost. PSIM charges are per interface - so each VMS platform if you keep them such as Endura, Dahua, Hikvision, etc. is a charge per each and then an additional charge per edge device meaning the camera. The same is to be said of all subsystems.

There are a number of other costs but the largest one for PSIM is the professional services. Typically, the provisioning of a PSIM can cost more than the software. Also, the implementation can be a very long process from months to beyond a year. When the PSIM if complete it is quite neat.

Another issue is if you have subsystems and one of them has updates or changes and the PSIM is not up to that particular version it can take the whole system down.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Dec 07, 2016

Hi

This is an interesting subject and one that I never cared to confront until recently:

We have been quite of partial to Milestone and love Hikvision cameras and NVR. For our market the price, robustness and features of Hikvision cameras and NVRs are more than satisfactory...(however much that irks some, Hikvision cameras are competitive with most out there..) ....

We have customers where the main sites have OnSSI or Milestone VMS and the remote sites or branches have Hikvision and/or Milestone NVRs ... the central monitoring thus has two very different interfaces and juggles between the two .. with winces and frustration but the job is done ... We are looking for a PSIM that would allow one interface for ACS and VMS but at a fair price. I believe this is an opportunity for VMS providers. Know any?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Dec 07, 2016

So it sounds like there are multiple customers with independent systems. Is this one customer? Are you providing some centralized monitoring of independent customers?

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Lavonne Lazarus
Dec 13, 2016

Mahmut, I am Lavonne Lazarus the Director of Business Development of Aventura Technologies based in New York. There are two methods that we offer to solve your solution. Depending upon the architecture we can offer a pure PSIM solution, which can integrate any of your VMS systems and cameras in addition to any other third party security or facilities management devices. You have mentioned tunnel scada, traffic sensors, etc., which would require more detail as to the suppliers. PSIM is complicated and a lot is in the planning so you have realistic expectations. If it was video only (Pelco/Hikvision/Dahua/Milestone/ONSSI) this can be accomplished native to our Enterprise VMS.

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