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Probably Not Going To Renew My IPVM Subscription

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Joseph Henry
Feb 26, 2018

A few years back I stumbled on this platform, and thought it had great insight on the products available in the Marketplace. Today it seams to be mostly political and less about the product. I'm more interested in product testing, results, durability, and capabilities rather than why and where it came from. Yes we all need to be aware of corporations and their associations. More importantly we need to be aware of hardware, software, and firmware issues and resolutions than theories on why these issues exist. I'm starting to feel that there are other sources that provide that feedback and it's free. We shall see before my term expires. I would like to see a focus change, anyone else?

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Undisclosed #1
Feb 26, 2018

I am with You!

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John Honovich
Feb 26, 2018
IPVM

Joseph, thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it.

Compared to 2014, we have significantly more resources dedicated to product / testing than in 2014. We had 2 people testing then, now we have 4 plus a separate support manager.

Indeed, we have released 100 tests in the last 12 month, 589 total. Not only are we doing more tests, the tests are deeper / longer than before.

At the same time, we are doing more on 'business' / 'political' issues as the industry has been impacted by the race to the bottom and the resulting impact of that.

I would like to see a focus change

We are not going to change focus, especially since as I mentioned above we are investing a lot more in testing / products than before. Also, consider there are lots of other people in the industry who do care about business issues.

What I am happy to do is consider more testing or reviews on products or issues you are interested in. Joseph, what specifically on the product side would you like us to cover?

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Bas Poiesz
Feb 27, 2018

I am glad you are stating you cover political issues. In the past if someone made this statement he would be replied with links and quotes to disprove it.

How about creating a few logos or catagory markers so one can quickly distingish the subject and motivation?

People interested in politically driven content can reach it, people just looking for tech info can scan more quickly to find the content they want.

NOTICE: This comment has been moved to its own discussion: How About Creating A Few Logos Or Category Markers So One Can Quickly Distinguish The Subject And Motivation?

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John Honovich
Feb 27, 2018
IPVM

I am glad you are stating you cover political issues.

The world's largest video surveillance manufacturer is owned by the Chinese government, so of course, we have to cover political issues related to that. There's, unfortunately, no way around that short of giving it to Hikvision's bullying that we don't cover it.

What political 'content' could you not determine by looking at the title of the article, e.g., Hikvision Chinese Government Origin And ControlChinese Government Attacks Western ReportsDahua: "We're Not Owned By The Chinese Government"Hikvision Chinese Government Owner CETHIK ExposedHikvision and the China Communist PartyChina Government Funds $100 Million South American Security / Surveillance Project, etc.

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 26, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I am a noob, only been here a year maybe. And yes, there may be some topics I could have done without, but it does make for an entertaining lunch break. But when you see a topic that you have read and know is just non-sense get to 100+ posts, you always have the option to skip it.

But even with some of those topics, there is still a lot of knowledge and resources here. I took a class and sent a new tech to the networking class here. Well worth it.

 

I think the business side is important as well. Sure they could just release notes that say xyz has a bug, here's the fix. But knowing how that company behaves and responds is just as important.

 

 

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John Honovich
Feb 27, 2018
IPVM

Jay, thanks.

One thing that Jay takes advantage of is asking / starting discussions. IPVM needs to do a better job of encouraging more members to do so. We are definitely happy to answer as many discussions as we can. Getting personalized help from us and other industry people should be especially valuable.

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 27, 2018
IPVMU Certified

a closed mouth don't get fed...

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Feb 26, 2018

Even if the business related posts are of no value to you, is there no other value?  Beyond just the articles we have found value elsewhere:

1. We have sent a promising apprentice to IPVM card access classes and will likely send more to the surveillance classes.

2. The discussion forums can be a mixed bag but do provide value.  I have asked for assistance a half dozen times or so and usually have an answer that is more valid and useful than manufacturer support.  I value the input of my IPVM peers infinitely more than a sales person or sales support.

3. The camera calculator is invaluable.

4. Personally, I enjoy the quizzes even if I do horribly on some.  They help to illustrate personal weaknesses to focus on.

5. The integrator finder is useful though I do use it more for intel.  I look to see which of our competitors in a given area are subscribers and their level.  If they are not subscribers I generally assume they are trunkslammers.  

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bashis mcw
Feb 26, 2018

I'm here to get some new ideas to which Manufacture Firmware too check out, as that's my current thing, and to share the knowledge I gain from it.

I think it's not only to what you gain, I think it's also what you share - ok, sounds weird to pay for sharing knowledge/experience, but sharing should obviously be much less than you gain. 

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Undisclosed #3
Feb 26, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I'm here to get some new ideas to which Manufacture Firmware too check out...

I knew it!

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Sean Nelson
Feb 26, 2018
Nelly's Security

Blasphemy! I keep my membership for the following reasons:

- To gain a full understanding of Chinese Government business ownership structures and other Chinese Govt happenings (you never know when you may have to write an essay about this someday. it never hurts to be too prepared)
- When and how often ADI is running ads on Hikvision products. (I was so happy about this that I just unsubscribed from ADI's emails. No more spam!)

Those 2 reasons alone are well worth the price of the memby. It wasnt until just a few days ago that this site was about the IP Video Market. What a bonus that was when I found out.

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John Honovich
Feb 27, 2018
IPVM

Come on, folks, whose voting Sean 'unhelpful'?!?

It wasnt until just a few days ago that this site was about the IP Video Market

That's funny! Keep in mind, Sean's been an IPVM member so long he used to publicly recommend Dahua on IPVM :)

Speaking of the Chinese government, Sean, this week the CPC banned the phrase 'I disagree' after allowing dictator Xi Jinping to stay in office forever. We certainly don't want to be like them.

But seriously, IPVM needs strong detractors like Sean. It keeps us on our toes. It shares alternate perspectives. I welcome it.

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Bas Poiesz
Feb 27, 2018

I agree John, but experience the same. Guess it comes from people knowing Sean like me does not hate Hik (or Dahua or any other for that matter).

The Unhelpful vote seems an automatic response to the author, regardless of content.

FYI, I voted funny Sean

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John Honovich
Feb 27, 2018
IPVM

Sean like me does not hate Hik

Well, you are both Hikvision re-sellers, so it's more than you just not hating them.

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Bas Poiesz
Feb 27, 2018

Distributor John, but yes.

Don't think me or Sean is hiding that since we post with our name visible.
I don't hate Dahua or others either, although we do not distribute them.
My main disagreement with most repondents is that I view networking topology as the difference between professional work and trunk-slamming, and between safe and un-safe systems. The product of choice is secondary.

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Dori Ribak
Feb 26, 2018
RBtec Perimeter Security Systems

What other websites do actual hands on testing without being endorsed by the manufacturers?

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bashis mcw
Feb 26, 2018

Agree, independent is one of the keywords!

 

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Joseph Henry
Feb 27, 2018

Nice topic. I am glad so many took time to offer opinions. I do find IPVM valuable, but honestly dont have time for entertainment. Non the less, the information is good. I offer my clients a broad range of products of most manufacturers. Chinese or not, quality is king, and price doesnt hurt. I'm sure that I will allow the auto-renew to continue. :)

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