Peter Goldring Finds Error In IPVM Integrator Finder, IPVM Fixes, Update: Goldring Declares IPVM Founder "Hoax, A Fraud And A Charlatan"

This morning, Peter Goldring emailed us the following, copied verbatim:

Post this in its entirety (that means the whole email, not the parts you pick).

IPVM’s Integrator Finder under the tools tab on the website lists 3,074 entries. ADR Security is listed as a paying member, with a “certificate”. ADR hasn’t paid in years and the company has never taken any “IPVM training” and never received any “certificates”. No one at ADR ever requested to be listed on the finder.

Please explain this misleading discrepancy and how the integrator finder is populated. Does an installing company request it? What about the companies that are neither members nor “certified”? Of IPVM’s alleged “15,000 paying members”, 11,926 aren’t installing companies and don’t want to be listed? Doesn’t make sense.

Eagerly awaiting your explanation.

For background on Goldring, Peter Goldring: "Hono-The-Clown Is Well Known Among The People Who Lead The Industry. I'm Just The One Who Plans To Make IPVM Go Away."

The Integrator Finder was released in 2015 (see announcement), has near negligible usage, and has not been properly maintained for years. That said, the errors in the listing are entirely our fault and we have promptly removed the subscriber and certification displays to rectify that.

To answer Peter's specific questions:

  • The ADR discrepancy is because we have not properly maintained / updated the integrator finder. For the certified person listed, the best I can tell is that it was a manual admin error. We do maintain a list of names of most but not all IPVM Certified Professionals here.
  • 90%+ of the integrator finder listings were added in 2015 / 2016 and very few since.
  • In 2015 / 2016, we manually added many integrators. Some others have requested to be added and we have added some from time to time.
  • There are far more than 3,074 integrators around the world. The Integrator Finder does not come close to comprehensively listing integrators. Of course, many integrators have multiple subscribers to IPVM. And then there are various other people who pay to subscribe to IPVM who are not integrators.

I have agreed to the audit and I am awaiting Goldring to actually pay for a credential auditor to start. We take responsibility for any errors and we answer directly to criticism publicly as we have done here.

UPDATE: Goldring has reneged on the audit declaring "I’m out. Reneging on my offer. Post whatever you want. Cancel my membership and refund the remainder of the year", concluding "You are a hoax, a fraud and a charlatan.Peter Goldring"

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How long would it have taken for Peter to manually go through the integrator finder looking for errors / faults.

I wonder what tie in there is between Peter & ADR?

Well done IPVM for admitting fault etc, I wish some others would do the same.

As I am certain you are following this thread Peter, just for the record, despite posting undisclosed, I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich.

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How long would it have taken for Peter to manually go through the integrator finder looking for errors / faults.

Goldring LinkedIn lists him working as working at ADR:

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That was a good find. It's literally the first investigative work he has done in his whole name-calling saga.

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So as an employee (VP & CEO) of a security company how can he possibly claim to be an unbiased consultant?

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He's also a Certified Fraud Examiner who has already decided IPVM is lying before doing an audit.

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The last time I used the Integrator Finder was as a sales engineer for SavvyTech Security (pre-merger) and even then, it was just for fun. This feature and dataset is ridiculously negligible

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Robert,

Do you think it's worth updating or should we shut it down?

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Actually, I think it opens up an avenue of annoyance to integrators who don't want suppliers hounding them. The temptation was definitely there when I was a fledgling at SavvyTech, but I held back knowing that I shouldn't take advantage of a resource that isn't meant to facilitate sales. At least there needs to be an opt in feature, rather than have it be automatically listed. Also, company profiles should exist on this site if we are officially listing them in that capacity.

Take my input as you will, but my vote is... it needs more than an update if it is to be in continued deployment.

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I likely lean in favor of discontinuing it as I don't see any clear strategic goal of it for us.

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I likely lean in favor of discontinuing it

Maybe replace it with a job posting board, or maybe a buy/sell/trade listing service?

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Nice misspelling Hono the clown’s last name! Adds authenticity. This site is an absolute joke. Look at the number of posters, the number of comments. 3,047 is probably the correct number of followers since inception. Google John Honovich arrest. Google John Honovich IPVM and read up on this scammer. Enough. I emailed Hono the clown earlier. I am out. Reneging on my offer to audit. If you are stupid enough to pay $1 for this site, enjoy!

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Actually, John-o-the-clown, as you know I’ve been busy looking into your background. As excepted, you are a complete fraud.

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Is there a good source for finding project opportunities? Example city x will be accepting bids by date y for surveillance application. Looking for public and private sector.

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As a seasoned licensed private investigator and fraud examiner, yes. I did absolutely suspect you from the moment I saw this site.

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Moron.

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Maybe stop lying? Much easier.

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Yes. Join a real trade association. SIA, ESA, TMA, your state. Get off this moron’s site.

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Like showing how many users you have clown boy?

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You should stay in school, junior. What a dummy.

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Is Robert real? Or is he one of your alter egos?

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How many martinis deep are you this evening?

CFE- Certified Fraudulent Egomaniac

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I drink on the rocks, John.

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Poor Peter...................

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Breaking news. Here’s what I emailed Hono-The-Clown.

I’m out. Reneging on my offer. Post whatever you want. Cancel my membership and refund the remainder of the year. Take me off all email and linked in pages.January 2, 2020, The Morning Call. 10,000 subscribers. 5,000 more in 12 months? Absolute bullshit and not worth anyones time to investigate. You’re a joke.Arrested in Hawaii. Scores of people posting about how you are an amateur blogger. YouTube videos that demonstrate you honing your scam. Dozens of seasoned experts engaging with you and the same nonsense pattern of anonymous posters coming at them?? You are a hoax, a fraud and a charlatan.Peter Goldring

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Keep going, Peter. Don't hold back.

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Yeah Hono-the-Clown. Keep on “undisclosing”. Bullshit.

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Do you really think every UD poster is JH?

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Do you hear voices?

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I don’t think it. The numbers demonstrate it. Look to the right of your screen. The top posters are “employees” or ex-employees. Well doesn’t matter 0 almost all employees of Hono-the-Clown become ex-employees almost instantly. The number of anonymous posters is preposterous. Absolutely no way, never. Bullshit.

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I do! I hear Hono-the-clown saying “I want credibility!”. “I want credibility!” But he’s just a fraud.

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I wish I could see your face when you finally figure out your wrong.

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If, by chance, you are a real “manufacturer #2” I’d love you to at least disclose the company. I cover dozens of manufacturers, none of which would ever consider anything posted on IPVM. What’s the harm in revealing? Hono???

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I am out. Reneging on my offer to audit. If you are stupid enough to pay $1 for this site, enjoy!

everyone reading this but you already knew this was the ultimate outcome of your meltdown.

b-bye now.

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It’s you’re. ZING!!!! Hono!! Jackass.

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We are a 20B USD publicly traded company. Pretty sure I have better access to industry data than you do. My passport agrees.

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Ouch. Snappy retort. Did you go to Dartmouth??

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So you're accusing John of fabricating a LinkedIn account to be a Chinese American man hailing from Chicago and living in Houston... why? All to get extra pot shots at you? Hah! He's got better things and more significant targets that he can make meaningful impact against (i.e. the Chinese government). You're so small and insignificant as an adversary that paying you any mind is a courtesy in an of itself.

Do you realize how often he calls on me to be civilized on his forums in private? He actually doesn't want me savaging you non-stop. Thank him for that.

Why not just handle this with your proposed audit already. You've been going about this for weeks now. Settle this with numbers. You asked for it and he accepted, so go through with it. Or have you already determined that you have no chance of winning here and are you just devolving to mindless insults again?

I mean, you're paying him to have an entire community hurl deserved insults at you already! Why not just pay to have the audit done so you can be thoroughly embarrassed and laughed out of surveillance altogether?

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So who are you? Nonsense.

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No, little bitch. I realize you are real. Go back to work at Fry’s. Loser.

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If you read the past 20 or so posts you could make a pretty good educated guess as to the company I work for. If you are an expert.....

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I worked my way up from retail like a normal human being. I didn't inherit a business like some silver spoon sucking royal brat who can't accept that being born into the industry doesn't automatically make you better than anyone else in it. You sound like the embarrassment to the family name that'll end their legacy.

Sure though, keep calling people names. The smallest dogs often bark the loudest from a distance. Let's see you try that up close and personal.

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Not really that interested. If you find this site credible, keep on keeping on.

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You worked at Fry’s. Got fired by Hono-Bitch. You haven’t held a job for a minute and have no security experience. You are not relevant.

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You reneged? After all that f-ing bluster and THIS is how you p*ssy out? Hah! And you want to call me a "b*tch"?! That's too f-ing funny. I at least put up or shut up till the end.

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Go grab an x-box from storage, kid. You are not relevant.

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Here are some leads for you

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And yet I still have more credibility and likability than you in this industry.

Btw, I'm going where the money is (cybersecurity). It's why I'm chugging through certifications to fly this chicken coop. Supply chain issues in surveillance aren't something I want to deal with while this mess with manufacturing gets sorted out.

I still support my customers who contact me for advice and technical assistance in the surveillance industry regularly though, so have fun believing what you want.

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Former VP & COO of an installing business. Now CEO of an installing business that caters to a very small segment and consultant in private practice. How would I be biased?

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Peter, were you looking in the mirror when you made that statement?

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

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Robert, should I re-hire you?? I can pay you more than Fry’s. This is better than a sitcom.

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Go fish your family name out of the toilet and get ready for your adult diapers, gramps!

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Fly.

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You know nothing about me. I was one of the first to uncover HIK. I wouldn’t touch their equipment.

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YAWN.

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Getting boring. Go read your books and make a living. Done with you.

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Peter, I am personally at well over 250 posts with 650 + votes. This can be seen in the top right corner of the page. Most of these have been undisclosed, so I believe they do not count towards the front page top posters statistics.

John:- Is it possible to have a top posters listing that excludes IPVM staff?

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

* Edited - apologies for the swapping of votes / posts counts

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You count your posts. Bullshit. Well over 600?? C’Mon man. 10,000 subscribers. 15,000. Hono-the-clown, you clearly have issues. Google and you can read all about ethem first-hand. I would urge everyone here to do that before taking anything on this site seriously.

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You've been boring. Your insults have been nothing but repetitive juvenile BS without a shred of self-awareness. You basically did the industry equivalent of challenging a popular school nerd to fight him after school in the back then backing out at the last minute when he's already accepted and everyone is cheering him on, ready to watch you lose. Seriously, you're a cliché and a half and you want to pretend like you're anything but a played out 8-track?

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In all honesty I am starting to feel that Peter (assuming it is Peter & not someone out to destroy his business) may actually need some professional help.

Peter, not trying to disparage you, but seriously, your posts are starting to read like those of a demented 14YO who has just drunk their first even 6 pack.

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

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