Peter Goldring Finds Error In IPVM Integrator Finder, IPVM Fixes, Update: Goldring Declares IPVM Founder "Hoax, A Fraud And A Charlatan"

This morning, Peter Goldring emailed us the following, copied verbatim:

Post this in its entirety (that means the whole email, not the parts you pick).

IPVM’s Integrator Finder under the tools tab on the website lists 3,074 entries. ADR Security is listed as a paying member, with a “certificate”. ADR hasn’t paid in years and the company has never taken any “IPVM training” and never received any “certificates”. No one at ADR ever requested to be listed on the finder.

Please explain this misleading discrepancy and how the integrator finder is populated. Does an installing company request it? What about the companies that are neither members nor “certified”? Of IPVM’s alleged “15,000 paying members”, 11,926 aren’t installing companies and don’t want to be listed? Doesn’t make sense.

Eagerly awaiting your explanation.

For background on Goldring, Peter Goldring: "Hono-The-Clown Is Well Known Among The People Who Lead The Industry. I'm Just The One Who Plans To Make IPVM Go Away."

The Integrator Finder was released in 2015 (see announcement), has near negligible usage, and has not been properly maintained for years. That said, the errors in the listing are entirely our fault and we have promptly removed the subscriber and certification displays to rectify that.

To answer Peter's specific questions:

  • The ADR discrepancy is because we have not properly maintained / updated the integrator finder. For the certified person listed, the best I can tell is that it was a manual admin error. We do maintain a list of names of most but not all IPVM Certified Professionals here.
  • 90%+ of the integrator finder listings were added in 2015 / 2016 and very few since.
  • In 2015 / 2016, we manually added many integrators. Some others have requested to be added and we have added some from time to time.
  • There are far more than 3,074 integrators around the world. The Integrator Finder does not come close to comprehensively listing integrators. Of course, many integrators have multiple subscribers to IPVM. And then there are various other people who pay to subscribe to IPVM who are not integrators.

I have agreed to the audit and I am awaiting Goldring to actually pay for a credential auditor to start. We take responsibility for any errors and we answer directly to criticism publicly as we have done here.

UPDATE: Goldring has reneged on the audit declaring "I’m out. Reneging on my offer. Post whatever you want. Cancel my membership and refund the remainder of the year", concluding "You are a hoax, a fraud and a charlatan.Peter Goldring"

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Goldring earlier in this discussion declared:

Cancel my membership and refund the remainder of the year. Take me off all email and linked in pages

While we do not normally discuss subscriber status, since Goldring made this a public request, I can confirm we did as he requested.

I do not know what, if anything, will come next with Goldring but this is the resolution, per his request, for now.

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If you are stupid enough to pay $1 for this site, enjoy!

How many people here get more than $1 or more than their membership worth from using the tools, research, discussions, etc. The fact that he thinks so little of the site, and that he thinks that the large trade orgs, which don't have any tools, discussions, or other features is laughable. There are no other sites for our industry to have these discussions, collections of tools, etc. There are consumer oriented sites all about blue iris or how to load firmware to grey market cameras, but that is it.

The fact that he is posting so much to these articles... I guess he is trying to get a discount for next year - maybe he can't afford the membership...

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The simple implication of infiltration among his potential clients would be enough to drive paranoia for a while... but I won't say I approve since we don't need to waste energy on someone like Goldring. We already won with words alone, so he's neither a threat nor competition.

Let's not invite further strife when there are more pressing issues to address, like supply chain interruptions and security holes from legacy and lax practices.

Edit: Oh, and China... That's a much bigger problem that's still on the radar.

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Maybe someone should pretend to be a client and get Peter engaged. Let's see how it works.

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I’d love to hear from one of his clients on how he conducts himself in a professional setting. “Go with my suggestions or you’re a clown! You loser!”…it’s, probably, similar to something like that…

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Nice vocabulary you’ve got there!

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He’s like 40 years younger than you! Dude is a tireless worker…oh…and HE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS vs calling people clowns and other expletives…”You Charlatan!”

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I think everyone needs to stop. Everyone. Let Peter have the last word if he wants- it's not going to make any difference. The pathology of behavior can be contagious and easily spin both ways. Best thing to do is stop the cycle and just disengage.

Just my humble 2 cents.

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Peter, dude, you really gotta stop. You are not winning this battle in your mind. You had your chance and you blew it. Just stop posting.

Or don't, you are a grown man and you can do what ever you want, but you're not winning any hearts or minds here with this drivel. You had your chance to get concrete evidence and such, but you decided to stall and not follow through.

Who care how many people there are? Who cares if people like me choose to pay for this site? How does that effect you personally? Do you get upset when some one shops at Lowes instead of Home Depot? Do you foam at the mouth when some one installs a Honeywell System instead of a DSC System? What is your problem? Why are you like this?

(I await your single line response that doesn't address anything I posted)

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Axis is my bet

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Why all the name calling but no substance? We’re you neglected as a child? You REALLY look like the clown, not John or the IPVM Team! You tout these credentials and titles, yet you’ve provided no proof for your arguments. You are a fraud, a fake, a phony, and a putz…please crawl back under your rock.

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You should make this page public and post it on your own LinkedIn and IPVM's twitter. Let people know what this guy says when he's guarded by the paywall that he claims to hate.

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I honestly feel bad for you. No one should go around living life with this much hate and vitriol in their being. Outwardly you boast and puff out your chest, but at the end of the day you are a sad, smug little person that is unfulfilled by their own life/accomplishments. Does your daddy not love you...is he not proud of you? What happened as a child that has caused you to lash out at everyone that questions/opposes you? Were you that nerd in high school and your anger is finally getting to you?

Life is a joy my man. The glass should be viewed as half-full. There is zero point in continuing down this bitter, fruitless road. If something bothers you so much, remove it from your life and move on (which you actually just requested..so good start). I am confident we'll all be better off (although slightly less entertained) by not having you on IPVM.

That being said...you brought this on. You offered to pay for an audit and you have now backed out. That is weak-sauce... You have zero credence in my books. Good day sir!

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IPVM, please make this thread searchable and open so we can stop this Peter non-sense. I for one would not work with someone who has such a foul mouth and disrespect for others.

I don't think there is any point in continuing this discussion.

George Peffer

NORTELUS INC

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Pete, for the record, just in this thread, you engaged in the following ad hominem attacks:

John-o-the-clown

you are a complete fraud

clown boy

What a dummy

No, little bitch. I realize you are real. Go back to work at Fry’s. Loser.

Adios mother fucker.

Moron

You are a hoax, a fraud and a charlatan

he’s just a fraud

School nerds were never popular, jackass

Also, for the record, Goldring deleted all his LinkedIn posts engaging with us, including the now reneged deal for an audit of IPVM. For the record, I've copied the main LinkedIn thread below:

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I am not sure what else needs to be said or done here. I accepted the audit, he reneged choosing to engage in personal attacks.

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I am the Walrus.

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Yep this is pretty bad. Peter’s behavior is well into the spectrum of deranged and is clearly caused by more than just bad judgment.

It’s a shame because it’s going to negatively impact any company he’s connected to.

Too bad he reneged on the audit. Dementia or not, I was honestly kinda looking forward to watching him eat crow.

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Also…I, for one, am SHOCKED that a marginal, novel feature like the integrator finder hasn’t been properly maintained over the years. Everywhere I’ve worked has always perfectly kept up with all of their initiatives. Especially the blogs.

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This is truly epic. Gotta say, never thought I’d see someone use “little bitch” and “adios motherfucker” in a (semi) professional setting. Just…wow. Agree with whoever is actually slightly concerned about this guy’s mental state at this point. Absolutely legendary meltdown.

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You got handed a family business. Don't pretend like you're some self-made success when you were just a trust fund brat.

Nepotism isn't a qualifying trait for expertise.

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Become humble. Adios mother fucker.

ok, this is my favorite close ever

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Junior, I have a successful career. You don't. Go read a book. Learn. Become humble. Adios mother fucker.

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It's the last good thing he's done. Either way I'm matching his vitriol because that seems to be the only language he understands.

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Can't teach an old dog new tricks or insults in your case.

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Good to be stalked on Facebook, loser.

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He did walk for Alzheimer's after all.

That is a good thing. Alzheimers is a horrific insideous disease that destroys that which makes a person themselves.

Peter, FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Honovich

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Um. Ok. Back to school with you.

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PFT! This guy! People might just hire me to spite your toxic ass for fun. You're the best advertisement I've had in a long time. That's sad on your part.

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He's a person who works at a $20B publicly traded company that would likely get fired if he posted under his actual identity in association with said publicly traded company. Only an ass-hat or a complete hack doesn't understand how that works.

I personally work for a much smaller company that isn't publicly traded but do not post with my actual identity (which would be instantly recognizable to hundreds of industry customers and partners and competitors) for what to any normal person would be obvious reasons.

But you and 'normal' likely don't often wind up in the same sentence together, so I suppose so this is all a big and strange conspiracy to you.

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I am not JH.

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Thankyou for picking up the mis spell, apologies to John Honovich

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Honovich

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Nonsense, loser.

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The man has a family. Dipsh*t! And from what I remember he basically has a night shift for data analysis of any news and information coming from his sources in China. He actually has substantive work to do. More so now that the Chinese media is directly attacking him.

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Good luck, Clown.

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Dribble .... drivel

Same same

Peter, FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

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Watch yourself on YouTube, Hono-the-clown. Funny how you don’t have time to reply to emails when you’re posting anonymously. You should hire some help.

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Are you implying that John is popular?

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

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Boring.

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The ones who embarrass the school bully are!

Also, this line shows how much of a dumb jock stereotype you are and how little you respect intellectual discourse.

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School nerds were never popular, jackass.

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It really might be early onset dementia setting in. He did walk for Alzheimer's after all.

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"Excepted" or "expected"? Do we blame it on a typo, auto-correct, or the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol?

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In all honesty I am starting to feel that Peter (assuming it is Peter & not someone out to destroy his business) may actually need some professional help.

Peter, not trying to disparage you, but seriously, your posts are starting to read like those of a demented 14YO who has just drunk their first even 6 pack.

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

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You've been boring. Your insults have been nothing but repetitive juvenile BS without a shred of self-awareness. You basically did the industry equivalent of challenging a popular school nerd to fight him after school in the back then backing out at the last minute when he's already accepted and everyone is cheering him on, ready to watch you lose. Seriously, you're a cliché and a half and you want to pretend like you're anything but a played out 8-track?

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You count your posts. Bullshit. Well over 600?? C’Mon man. 10,000 subscribers. 15,000. Hono-the-clown, you clearly have issues. Google and you can read all about ethem first-hand. I would urge everyone here to do that before taking anything on this site seriously.

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Peter, I am personally at well over 250 posts with 650 + votes. This can be seen in the top right corner of the page. Most of these have been undisclosed, so I believe they do not count towards the front page top posters statistics.

John:- Is it possible to have a top posters listing that excludes IPVM staff?

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

* Edited - apologies for the swapping of votes / posts counts

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Getting boring. Go read your books and make a living. Done with you.

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YAWN.

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You know nothing about me. I was one of the first to uncover HIK. I wouldn’t touch their equipment.

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Fly.

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Go fish your family name out of the toilet and get ready for your adult diapers, gramps!

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Robert, should I re-hire you?? I can pay you more than Fry’s. This is better than a sitcom.

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Peter, were you looking in the mirror when you made that statement?

FYI, even though I am posting undisclosed I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich

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Former VP & COO of an installing business. Now CEO of an installing business that caters to a very small segment and consultant in private practice. How would I be biased?

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And yet I still have more credibility and likability than you in this industry.

Btw, I'm going where the money is (cybersecurity). It's why I'm chugging through certifications to fly this chicken coop. Supply chain issues in surveillance aren't something I want to deal with while this mess with manufacturing gets sorted out.

I still support my customers who contact me for advice and technical assistance in the surveillance industry regularly though, so have fun believing what you want.

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Here are some leads for you

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Go grab an x-box from storage, kid. You are not relevant.

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You reneged? After all that f-ing bluster and THIS is how you p*ssy out? Hah! And you want to call me a "b*tch"?! That's too f-ing funny. I at least put up or shut up till the end.

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You worked at Fry’s. Got fired by Hono-Bitch. You haven’t held a job for a minute and have no security experience. You are not relevant.

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