Off Topic: Juul - Worst Tech Invention Ever?

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John Honovich
Aug 10, 2018
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Ok, so up and until 5 minutes ago I had never heard of this and since it is Friday afternoon I am posting this. Video below:

Also, evidently, this is proof I don't get out much.

But a fair of number of industry people (especially integrators?) smoke. Curious if people are now 'Juuling'? 

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 10, 2018
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Every time I see a Vape Shop, it reminds me of an edgy sno-cone stand.

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Undisclosed #1
Aug 10, 2018

I watched that whole video.

First of all - keep in mind that Vox is a media outlet that can hardly be called 'news'.

Here is a paragraph from their wikipedia listing:

"Shortly after it launched, conservative writer David Harsanyi criticized the site's concept of "explanatory journalism" in an article in The Federalist titled "How Vox makes us stupid", arguing that the website selectively chose facts, and that "explanatory journalism" inherently leaves out opposing viewpoints and different perspectives.[31] Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry at The Week argued that the website produced "partisan commentary in question-and-answer disguise" and criticized the site for having a "starting lineup [that] was mostly made up of ideological liberals."[32] The Week's Ryu Spaeth described the site's operations as, "It essentially takes the news (in other words, what is happening in the world at any given moment in time) and frames it in a way that appeals to its young, liberal audience."[33]"

*bolds are mine

and FTR, the idea that slick advertising can influence human behavior is not a new one.

as pathetic as that sounds, it don't mean it aint 100% true.

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John Honovich
Aug 10, 2018
IPVM

keep in mind that Vox is a media outlet that can hardly be called 'news'.

Remember, you are on IPVM. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Speaking of fake news organizations (or at least as judged by our PRC friends), here is the WSJ: Schools and Parents Fight a Juul E-Cigarette Epidemic

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John Honovich
Aug 10, 2018
IPVM

Btw, interesting surveillance connection from the Journal article:

If the sensors detect vapor, administrators get an email or a text message with a time stamp. A hallway camera can provide further information on who entered or exited around that time

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Ethan Ace
Aug 10, 2018

Q: "What do you think about Juul?"

A: "Well you see, the thing is, Vox sucks." 

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Undisclosed #1
Aug 10, 2018

1.  Apparently, I do not hang in the hipster circles that you do Ethan, as I have never seen anyone Juuling.

2.  Your comedic premise is flawed as your 'Q' was not the OP question.  Plus, the embedded video is about how evil Juul is for skirting the cigarette company marketing ban by not being a cigarette, and marketing in a manner to entice yutes to become addicted to nicotine.

3.  This claim in #2 is woefully unsupported - like almost all of the 'news' stories on Vox.

4.  The innate and obvious bias of any media outlet should always be considered when considering their output.   

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Ethan Ace
Aug 10, 2018

I've seen a bunch of people using the Juul thing. I never knew what it was til now. I think I've seen a sign for it in passing and figured it was just another e-cigarette. 

Of the people who I know who smoke/smoked, only one vapes anymore, and they are not into these sorts of things because apparently they don't provide enough vapor to simulate a real deep drag on a cigarette. Thus, the only vaper I know uses their own home built kit that has them ending up looking something like Brian's edge sno-coner above. They'll unwillingly tell you all about what coils and batteries they use for max power and all if you're not careful.

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Undisclosed #2
Aug 12, 2018
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Do any of these actually have storage?  Just for some cover...

Dad: What you got there, son? You don’t think I was born yesterday, do ya?  

Son: No way, not even close to yesterday.  Anyway, in the meantime, they’ve invented the flash drive, and this slender stick of silicon is just such a device.  Here, check it out...

Dad: Sure, sure... I should have no problem then reading it with my antique “PC” here, right?

Son: Maybe after you minimize vox.com from full-screen mode.  But it’s just usb storage...

Dad: I’ll be the judge of that...Hmmm...It looks like several downloaded term papers, plus the most violent video games known to man, a few bootlegs, Tor-lite, dozens of clearly inappropriate images...

Huh...I guess I owe you an apology ;)

 

 

 

 

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Undisclosed Integrator #3
Aug 12, 2018

On a different note... I would vote for email. 

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Undisclosed Integrator #4
Aug 13, 2018

After smoking cigarettes for ~8 years I have not smoked since I bought my Juul in June.
Silly name, yes, but still a decent & discreet NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) option.
It does not create a large vapor cloud which I actually appreciate as I am not trying to fog out whichever square mile I happen to be smoking in.
I breathe much easier and my gf says my snoring has decreased immensely.

In my opinion, nicotine was "going viral" way before doctors recommended smoking as a health cure.

 

 

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douglas kelly
Jun 22, 2022

Ive seen the same thing happen with someone who started vaping and then quit smoking overnight and never went back.

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Undisclosed #5
Aug 13, 2018

Instead of delivering nicotine, the first person to invent a device to deliver an appetite suppressant or a multivitamin will make a mint!

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Will Van Wickler
Sep 13, 2018

As someone in High School I can tell you that this is a real problem. Kids using these devices in the bathroom in between classes is the norm. My highschool even went as far to install some Hikvision cameras outside the bathroom doors to help fight this issue.. 

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John Honovich
Jun 22, 2022
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Undisclosed Integrator #6
Jun 28, 2022

A topic Reason has covered pretty extensively. I haven't had a cigarette in 3 years after smoking for 20 years. While still not healthy it's a lot better than smoking tobacco products. I did prefer the flavors other than tobacco or menthol though.

You searched for e-cigarettes - Reason.com

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