Notice: November Testing Disruption - We're Moving

IPVM

Over the next few weeks, we will be publishing fewer tests. That is because we are moving into a new large facility to do tests.

We will do a formal marketing announcement, with details and fanfare, next month. I am posting and pinning this short notice now so members know what to expect and don't misread it us scaling back on testing (Hi Jonathan, Tim, Sean, etc.).

The very good news is that this new facility provides us the space to do bigger tests, more tests plus hire more people to do tests.

Expect big things in 2019. And for now, bare with us as we move in.

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Undisclosed #1

IPVMU Certified

We will do a formal marketing announcement, with details and fanfare, next month. I am posting and pinning this short notice now so members know what to expect...

ok, but this fanfare had better be top-notch :)

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Undisclosed #2

I wonder if the new bigger facility will have good views of Waikiki beach.

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Shannon Davis

IPVMU Certified

I bet the Hikvision dancers are probably out of work by now and need a new gig!!

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John Honovich

IPVM

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Undisclosed #1

IPVMU Certified

Puffery!

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Michael Miller

Staying in Allentown?

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John Honovich

In reply to Michael Miller

IPVM

We could be your new next-door neighbor, stay tuned!

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Michael Miller

That would be so much fun and since we are opening up a second location that could definitely be possible :) though it's disappointing to lose the inside views of the competition.

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Kevin Mundy

Stanford University

South Lake Tahoe, NV? It will give you all of the environments to test in...

Sun, Moon, Stars, Darkness, Snow, Rain, Hail, Wind, Freezing Temps, Heat in Summer. bears/wildlife ...and I can apply :-)

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Michael Miller

IPVMU Certified

Staying in Allentown?

‘cause it’s hard to keep a good man down?

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Shannon Davis

IPVMU Certified

Congrats on the continued success and expansion further validating the validity of IPVM!!

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Ross Vander Klok

IPVMU Certified

Very nice! Glad to see you are continuously growing and improving. I credit IPVM with much of my career success since I just take other peoples ideas and run with them. ;-)

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Fabian Muyawa

LONTECH SYSTEMS • IPVMU Certified

This is expected of the progressive IPVM Community. When one looks critically at the activities that IPVM is engaged in for the betterment of its membership and the manufacturers at large YES! moving to a larger facility is inevitable and a giant step forward in the right direction . Congratulation for continued improvement.

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Fabian Muyawa

I like looking critically at activities after expected community progression for better engagement within entities, memberships and manufacturers roaming at large. Inevitable gigantic steps in rightful course of direction is continuing to improve.

Dude, just say Thanks and stop with all the horse....!

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Bas Poiesz

I am posting and pinning this short notice now so members know what to expect and don't misread it us scaling back on testing (Hi Jonathan, Tim, Sean, etc.).

I can save you some work John, just create an I-frame in the website and feed it with your primary source.

Best of luck with moving, it's a lot of work (we are moving ourselves in a few months, so I can understand it will take up a part of your time).

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John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Bas Poiesz

John, just create an I-frame in the website and feed it with your primary source.

That was funny... sort of.

Btw, our primary source of China information is Xinhua, People's Daily, and Hikvision's own Chinese website, we like to go straight to the China Communist Party itself.

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Bas Poiesz

Hikvision's own Chinese website, we like to go straight to the China Communist Party itself

So you thought my joke was bad tried to beat it :). Nice.

In all honesty John, hope the move goes trouble free and the new site meets your needs.

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John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Bas Poiesz

Sadly, Jonathan, that was no joke.

Your partner Hikvision very deeply supports and is supported by the China Communist Party. It is publicly promoted on the CETC Hikvision website here. And I was serious, and it should be no surprise to Hikvision management, that IPVM regularly reads that website among other China Communist Party news.

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Clint Hays

Congrats John and team! Does this mean you're doing pizza and paint parties...

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Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security

I am posting and pinning this short notice now so members know what to expect and don't misread it us scaling back on testing (Hi Jonathan, Tim, Sean, etc.).

because your current space cant contain your massive hik hatred :)

I wasnt even aware you guys did tests.

All kidding aside, it would be great if you could offer a pay-for service for companies to submit their products to under go comprehenive unbiased testing. I have currently ran out of options for testing our products (my office and my home)

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John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Sean Nelson

it would be great if you could offer a pay-for service for companies to submit their products to under go comprehenive unbiased testing. I have currently ran out of options for testing our products (my office and my home)

It is a conflict of interest and although we could do a good job at that, it would neither appropriate nor proper.

3 problems:

The manufacturer may use it as a way to try to bribe or influence us.
Even if they had no intention to do so, the fact that they are now a customer, and possibly a large customer, could skew our public results if we were concerned about losing them or trying to get them to pay for more testing.
Even if neither were an issue, we would still have the conflict that our test results privately for them could hamper our test results publicly. Let's say we privately test Hanwha or Hikvision first and find lots of problems. Does that mean we don't publish it or we give them the opportunity to fix it first before publishing?

It's a cleaner, fairer approach to only test manufacturers for public IPVM reporting.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security

The manufacturer may use it as a way to try to bribe or influence us.

I dont see this happening with you at all. non issue

Even if they had no intention to do so, the fact that they are now a customer, and possibly a large customer, could skew our public results if we were concerned about losing them or trying to get them to pay for more testing.

make them sign a disclaimer, or whatever you want to call it and let them know that you still reserve the right to publically test their products without proper notice and without prejudice.

Even if neither were an issue, we would still have the conflict that our test results privately for them could hamper our test results publicly. Let's say we privately test Hanwha or Hikvision first and find lots of problems. Does that mean we don't publish it or we give them the opportunity to fix it first before publishing?

You publish your stuff whenever and wherever you see fit regardless of any timeline. But lets just say that a company did take your test results and improved their product because of it, even if they fixed it before your public testing, then you just made the industry better.

You may piss some manufacturers off by taking this approach but that hasnt ever stopped you. I think if you give a good clear heads up that you will be non-prejudice regardless of the paid testing, then I think most level headed people will understand. I personally would find it beneficial, especially for pre-market items.

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Meghan Uhl

In reply to Sean Nelson

If nothing else, the optics would be bad and you may lose or not gain new subscribers because of it. If I didn't know IPVM and in researching whether to be a subscriber found out that Honeywell, Hik or whoever paid the big bucks to test their stuff, I wouldn't sign up because I wouldn't trust the results. Just sayin....

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John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Meghan Uhl

Meghan, in fairness Sean knows money and I bet he is right that we would make more money doing what he recommends. Lots of companies in lots of spaces do this (take Gartner, some people complain but overall they make way more money doing lucrative consulting work with the companies they cover).

For us, it's about ethics, not profit.

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Undisclosed #1

IPVMU Certified

For us, it's about ethics, not profit.

Strickly speaking, you could do what Sean suggests ethically.

The problem is, as Meghan points out, is that no one could be sure that you were ethical.

Worse yet is the optics of a smaller company doing this; sure The NY Times has an editorial side and a hard news side that are theoretically independent, but that involves many people on both sides.

Consider however, the extreme the case of IPVM in its infancy, where Honovich is the hands on driving force of all aspects of the business.

Is he operating ethically? Is he basing his reviews on the facts or on the fees? Who knows but him?

Unlike the Times, there is no email trail generated by the thoughts of a single human brain. Nor does the left hemisphere decide to “flip” on the right and turn state’s evidence, or does the corpus collusum write a tell-all expose about the communication between both halves.

That said, I would trust you to do it :)

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Meghan Uhl

I love the ethics John! Keep doing it the way you are!

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Undisclosed #3

Congratulations IPVM!

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

I hear that Hikua and some OEMs have some office and warehouse spaces opening up soon ;)

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Undisclosed #1

IPVMU Certified

Saying farewell to old friends can be hard, but necessary, so

Goodbye back-parking-lot, you constant companion, rain or shine

day or night

And you as well, grassy-strip-on-side-of-building

and who can forget the open-bay-door-to-shared-parking

and the indelible memories of the long-grassy-strip-at-base-of-high-voltage-tower

and of course conference-room-with-weird-side-tables-and-(fake?)plant-in-the-corner

...

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Sean Patton

Did anyone else hear a specific acoustic Green Day hit song in the background when they read that post?

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic

In reply to Sean Patton

I heard that one Semisonic song everybody knows.

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Undisclosed #1

IPVMU Certified

In reply to Ari Erenthal

I heard that one Semisonic song everybody knows

but everybody thinks is Green Day...

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Ross Vander Klok

IPVMU Certified

Everyone is a stretch, from the link it looks like 1 person thinks that is Green Day!

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Ross Vander Klok

IPVMU Certified

Everyone is a stretch, from the link it looks like 1 person thinks that is Green Day!

You did notice there were five different links posted?

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Ross Vander Klok

•Nov 06, 2018

IPVMU Certified

HA! Nope I did not notice that, but even if you have 1,000 links I don't buy it! ;-)

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic

Bring back the Hawaiian high-rise!

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Meghan Uhl