Onssi Architect Vs IPVM Debate + Manufacturer Panels
Someone today remarked that 'manufacturers do not want to be on panels with me.'
This was confusing, since I do not go on panels nor have any interest to fly to a far off city to speak in front of 50 people who are more preoccupied with checking email than to hear manufacturers drone on.
Nonetheless, evidently, my name comes up, and manufacturers are quick to shoot it down.
On the one hand, this is understandable. They want to be able to give their stock pitch without having anyone object to it or call them out.
On the other, the events are boring and inevitably have poor turnouts and low impact.
Can they not take a cue from sports or the movies? People want tension, they want some form of strife - protagonist / antagonist - good guy / bad guy, Foreman / Ali, Brady / Manning, etc., etc.
I still have no interest in being on such panels, but it befuddles me why manufacturers do not realize that if they want people to really pay attention and take time to go to a live event, they need to have some drama, rather than canned pitches.
[UPDATE: This discussion has evolved into a heated debate between an OnSSI senior employee and IPVM.]
SO SO True--- you either want to be loved or hated.. to be anything else you will be forgetton.
People need and want to be challenged and to do that you need to question, draw on emotion and push buttons.
Join the club. The love is often not felt here either.
It's refreshing to see someone who is dedicated, has an opinion and will speak it, even if to offends someone, and this industry would be a hell of a lot less interesting without John Honovich.
At times, though, it seems as if the biggest troll here is John himself. Perhaps because the content that gathers the most interest/debate are stories that are either controversial, political (lately gun control), or that contain some element of mud-slinging, often involving John and some manufacturer or some proxy for one.
Now, bear in mind, this is how I interpret the communication that originates from John, so I don't know if the actual intent was so, but a few days ago, John was seemingly ridiculing Genetec for angling for votes on Twitter. I've also seen John take stabs at Avigilon (JPEG2000 "myth making"), Mobotix (MxPEG), Raytec (spot the mistakes), ADI (funniest defense), Panasonic (losing ground, facerec), Arecont (go on, idiot tech installed system) and I could go on (yeah, we have been in the spotlight too - sometimes fairly, sometimes not).
I can't help getting this nagging feeling that John is really an armchair coach - and instead of yelling at the TV, he's yelling through IPVM. Don't get me wrong, I think there is definitely a need for an independent source of information (NPR?) - one that doesn't have some agenda or is simply printing slightly edited stories written by manufacturers that run ads in their magazine. But on the other hand, the many incidents where the copy becomes a little too... hmm.. "aggressive", makes it seems as if theres something else going on.
I think John is a Diva. Yes. There... I said it. It had to be done.
Don't feel bad though, Carl is a diva too (and quite a few others in this forum as far as I can tell). What it means is that we spend way, way too much time on this crap when we should be clocking in at 9 am and out at 5 pm. Instead we should be preoccupied with improving our golfing handicap, tonights ballgame, the latest developments in the Kardashian family, or whether the right people got voted off American Idol/Dancing with the Stars. But we don't. I think the term here is "committed". If we were farming cucumbers, we'd be committed to that too.
I find it weird when people have little/no interest in the product they are selling. I once met a marketing person (not a very good one), who told me that she didn't want to use the application we were selling. That there was no need for her to understand the pain points, the technology or any of that. If fact, she felt it might impede her ability to write good copy. I was young then, and it blew my mind that anyone would say something like that. And once in a while, people with no understanding of the fundamentals (because they are too stupid, or simply don't put in the hours), will try to "teach you", which usually causes me to blow a fuse. When I walk around at tradeshows a lot of salespeople think I am some dummy (maybe I am), and the amount of shit questionable information I hear is unbelievable.
IPVM has offered some real gems over the years, and I hope you will continue to do so. On the other hand, the personal style, the very overt attacks on companies and people, while entertaining, it also seems somewhat unprofessional, and while it works now, it remains to be seen if it is something that will work in the long run.
Now, I need to get back to writing world leading, cutting edge, revolutionary, code that will unleash the power of IP video, and enable you to have a constant, uninterruped tactical overview of your premises.
I'm wondering who those people from manufacturers are, that even suggest having you on a panel. They either haven't read a single piece of your work... or they have a second grade reading comprehension? #Diva
This sort of thing reminds me of the plot in the old story 'Emperors new clothes'. On the Wikipedia page for this story, in the plot section...substitute pertinent words to the originals (Emperor>> manufacturer, Minister>>> marketing clothes>>product-X etc). John is the 'child' in the story...like it or not.
In this metaphor, are you Manning, or are you Brady?
I can't believe I paid money for this site. At first I thought it was a good place to get valid information, but it now seems I was scammed into paying for a platform for the inflammatory rumblings of a disgruntled man. I like how this article first started out as basically a self serving statement that no manufacturer would want to challenge you and the quickly it was reworked into a manufacturer vs. IPVM battle because one manufacturer' employee decided to chime in. You even changed to title to one that I would say, stretched the truth, in order to serve your needs. Finally you threw out an unprofessional Tweet to stir the pot even more.
Did you you ever work in the tabloid business because this site sure seems like it is turning into a rag? As a paying member I say pipe down and get in the lab and test some more products. All of this inflammatory back and forth is worthless to me. If I waned to listen to people puff out their chests and tell half truths about how great they are I would spend my time surfing Facebook. Also, dont mistake activity for achievement. You can have 1,000,000 hits per day but if you are spewing garbage what good is it.
I enjoy debates. And the resultant 'Flame' wars. :-)
Reading content eventually gets down to beliefs. While that may not 'seem' the case at times. If one reads carfully, you can see the name dropping and supprting BS. Which then showcase those beliefs presuming to be true and carrying the weight of an assumed credibility?
Example Mr Morten's:
"Don't get me wrong, I think there is definitely a need for an independent source of information (NPR?) - one that doesn't have some agenda or is simply printing slightly edited stories written by manufacturers"
The name dropping? NPR. With ones beliefs: "doesn't have some agenda or is simply printing slightly edited stories".
BAD example! 'Doesn't have an adjenda? NPR is leaning so far it's a wonder they can stand up at all. Hmm did he, Morton, go an NPR School? Sure sounds like the same tripe.
We all have beliefs. And I believe. You believe. What you want to believe.
Well it works when the door knockers come A calling with all the prepared/rehearsed (BS?) answers. Example one Sunday morning three came in force. I offered same after listening to their words. The leader said, 'Touche' and left.
- revoked answer
Interresting thread. Now one thing I learnt in attending self help and influencing and management seminars is that if you just follow one person you get one side so its important to look all round. I have not seen another site that actuall does what IPVM does. So I am content with getting the information I need to do what I do that is not driven directly by a manufacturer.
I would like to throw out a suggestion to IPVM. What is the possibility of IPVM sponsoring or acting as mediators in debates between the manufacturers. Like a political debate. Pick a specific subject and get 2 or 3 or even 4 different vendors around a table and have them shout it out across the table knowning that the public is watching. A debate is not a panel where you have everyone sitting on the same side and look for comments form all. The debate is about 2 or more parties selling their story whilst the mediator is there to keep the parties on target.
I'm going to lean toward Morten on this one (link bait, etc...) and away from him on the swearing & NPR... :)
I like this site for the research primarily, and secondly to hear what other integrators like me are doing/recommending/problem-solving. A lot of valuable info; I do occasionally feel like I'm wading through unprofessional waters to get this info.
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