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List Of Major Video Analytics System Integrators + Debate About Startup Go To Market Tactics

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Asaf Birenzvieg
Jul 05, 2018
viisights

Hi All,

Where can i find the most updated list of Major US video analytics system-integrators?

Asaf

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John Honovich
Jul 05, 2018
IPVM

There's not a specific list of system integrators that do analytics vs those that do not.

Give you are a video analytic manufacturer, I am guessing you are looking to market / sell to them. If so, the best way is by hiring a local US security sales professional to visit and convince them. The reason is that overwhelmingly integrators are going to be cautious trying a new video analytics supplier.

That security sales professional will not only know what integrators to call, s/he will also have existing relationships with many, helping to reduce the fears / concerns of an unknown company.

AB
Asaf Birenzvieg
Jul 05, 2018
viisights

i basically agree however we are looking for research information for planning the market strategy and sales force.

Can you recommend on reliable sources where we can find the major video surveillance system integrator  (e.g. honeywell)?

JH
John Honovich
Jul 05, 2018
IPVM

Honeywell, at least in the US, is a manufacturer, not an integrator, i.e., they do not (normally) install video analytic systems.

So do you want manufacturers or integrators?

And I'd focus more on convincing a US sales person to join and help you with this then you doing this 5,000 miles away. The quality of the sales person / people you hire will be much more impactful than any list of companies you put together.

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Asaf Birenzvieg
Jul 05, 2018
viisights

We are going to establish a local presence in the US and in all our target markets by end of year.

Regarding the marketing strategy except from selling direct we partner with solution-providers/system-integrators.

by solution-providers/system-integrators i mean companies that own the solution architecture and decide how the solution will look like and which products will be part of it. another example to such company is motorola-solutions.

This is the list i am looking for.

JH
John Honovich
Jul 05, 2018
IPVM

another example to such company is motorola-solutions.

You are going about this the wrong way. In particular, Motorola Solutions owns Avigilon, so it is going to be especially hard to convince them to sell a competitor's offering with no name recognition.

More generally, it is really hard, if not typically impossible, for a startup to win large integrators.

You'd frankly be better off selling direct to large end users at first and convincing them. The channel is typically more conservative as they better understand the risks and downsides of selling startup analytics.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Jul 09, 2018

As a large end user we will most likely pass as well.  Even with a superior product it is very hard for us to work with a manufacturer that cannot provide local sales and technical support.  We tried to use AgentVi for a few use cases after they beat out a few others in an onsite test and eventually just gave up all together.  Trying to get support from Israel because all of the local team being sales only really drove us to a stop.  You can sell all day based on better product and smart competent sales staff but without solid regional or even continental support the growth will be very short.

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Asaf Birenzvieg
Jul 05, 2018
viisights

it isn't hard for a startup with superior product to work with big integrator. 

anyway, this isn't the point of the discussion - but seeking information.

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John Honovich
Jul 05, 2018
IPVM

it isn't hard for a startup with superior product to work with big integrator.

Ok, learn the hard way. That's just not how it works in this industry and you're taking a big risk trying to prove otherwise.

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Undisclosed #3
Jul 05, 2018

it isn't hard for a startup with superior product to work with big integrator.

Has there been an analytics startup yet that did NOT think they had a "superior product"?

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Ethan Ace
Jul 05, 2018

Product superiority aside, because that's debatable on a couple of factors, large integrators do not necessarily select superior products. They tend to more often select proven solutions, even if they are not best in class (in some cases not even close) in order to standardize across a large organization and minimize the risk, retraining cost, and trial and error that comes with new product. 

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Jul 05, 2018

Asaf -

Look up "Security Company" in "Desired City" and all of them will tell you that they do security analytics. If I were you, you should be looking for strong regional integrators, as their maze will be easier to maneuver for product approval etc.

As someone who moved into the industry via the integration space, I can tell you that they will be very, very apprehensive to selling any form of analytic. Typically, a lot of software-centric vendors don't follow the typical chain of command in the industry - i.e. sell direct to integrator or through distribution. A lot of software companies want a direct contact with the end-user and will give the integrator a "cut" of the profit margin.

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Undisclosed #2
Jul 05, 2018

Just spam security consultant companies, the young ones will give you all the information you seek.

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Clint Hays
Jul 06, 2018

What John said is correct. You don't just walk in and say "I'M THE GREATEST THING EVER! TALK TO ME IF YOU WANT TO WIN!" As someone in the analytic world with success it still is not easy.

 

Also, you are trying to get a list of manufacturers/developers/brands and not integration companies based on your responses.

 

Good luck.

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Frank Iezzi
Jul 09, 2018

One of the last analytic companies not bought up by Avigilon is Mate Intelligent Video. Server based Boolean logic product that is quite accurate in logging in desired events. Owned by Mango DSP.

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Undisclosed #3
Jul 09, 2018

There are far more analytics companies not bought by Avigilon than those that have been.

JH
John Honovich
Jul 09, 2018
IPVM
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Undisclosed #2
Jul 09, 2018
MM
Michael Miller
Jul 09, 2018

Why don't you start by offering IPVM a demo of your solution so they can test it?  If it works well lots of integrators will be exposed to the results and will help generate interest.  

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Undisclosed Integrator #5
Jul 09, 2018

As an integrator, I get calls, emails, linkedin invites from a new analytic provider every week.  All have the "best" solution, and all have figured out something that no one has yet.  I'm not saying your analytic isn't great, I'm just guessing that it's nothing new or isn't going to dramatically "wow" anyone.  As John pointed out, getting into larger integrator takes time, training and patience.  Most integrators like myself, have already narrowed down our offerings to 1 or 2 manufacturers.  So if you're going to persuade us to flip, it's going to take a lot.  Our customers are not going to say, "flip us to that new analytic platform that no one has heard of yet."  I agree with Michael Miller, maybe get IPVM to test you out.  If you are as superior as you claim, you'll definitely get some recognition (as well as free marketing) and integrators will start coming to you.

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Undisclosed #3
Jul 09, 2018

FYI, you'll know when the next breakthrough in analytics happens, because you'll be hearing about it from everyone else, not manufacturer cold emails.

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Undisclosed #2
Jul 09, 2018

Tensor flow is already widely in use. Soon you will be able to have a phone app to go out and do your own tracking! One day you will be able to perform your own search and find out where you have been, even years later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eIBisqx9_g

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
Jul 09, 2018

This is a strange thread. Seems to me there are two different discussions at the same time; one is the sales channel and two is the technology. 

Bottom line when it comes to technology and software, accuracy, ease of configuration, ease of use and compelling real world use cases of increased user efficiencies are the only important issues. Use any "intelligent, deep learning, machine vision, neural,etc" language you want. It's all BS unless it can be proven to solve problems for less money. Prove it. High probability of detection, very low nuisance rate for expected event.

I find it hard to comment on the channel of an "analytics integrator." There is not really such an entity. Manufacturers or software companies develop analytics using video to detect events that need attention (generally speaking). National and regional integrators evaluate and chose their suppliers/technology of choice through an extensive vetting process of the technology's performance (amongst other intangibles such as relationships, market position, market potential, strategic relationships, etc). They sell the technologies that they've vetted.

Ambitious manufacturer/software incubators think they can go directly to the end user and roll in millions cutting out traditional channels. Often forgot is service, support and longevity. Seen it many times 

If one thinks they can be channel committed and end user sales centric simultaneously, you need a local business executive with a lot of industry experience and be willing to listen.

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Undisclosed #7
Jul 10, 2018

Maybe it will be better to try and work your way into the market through partnering with a VMS company or a camera manufacturer? they already have an established channel with integrators and you can "piggyback" on that. 

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