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John Is Promising You Salvation But Delivering You A Situation Where Everyone Still Invested In Hikua Inventory Will Dump It At Or Below Costs, Just To Be Rid Of It.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 26, 2019

This is a risk-of-sanction or risk-of-entity-list-restrictions sale. It's ok to call it that.

Ask yourself, what will ADI, Tri-Ed, and everyone else do with their Hikvision / Dahua inventory if the sanctions or the entity-list happen? 

John is painting a picture that once the sanctions and tariffs are in place, integrators will be able to return to the glory days of prosperity. He's claiming that the race to the bottom is over, but IPVM has been influential in making sure it isn't.

If Hikvision and Dahua are added to the entity list, tons of integrators are going to lose major revenue, perhaps their jobs - just look at Huawei prices. How easy will it be to compete with something 90% off?

John is promising you salvation but delivering you a situation where everyone still invested in Hikua inventory will dump it at or below costs, just to be rid of it.

**'* ********* ********* *******, *** **** of *** **** **** ********* ****.

******: **** ******* *** ***** **** an ******** **********:*** ** ******* ****** ****** *** To *******?

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U
Undisclosed #1
May 26, 2019

***** **** ******* *** ***** **** the ******** **** ****** ** ***** as * *** ********** ** ***** to **, * **** ******** ** reply **** ** ****:

"John ** ******** * ******* **** **** *** ********* *** ******* *** ** *****, *********** **** ** **** ** ****** ** *** ***** **** ** **********. He's claiming that *** **** ** *** ****** ** over, *** **** *** **** *********** in ****** **** ** ***'*."

*** *** ******* ****** ************ **** you ******* ******** ** **, ** is *********** ** ** **** *** seem ** **** ** **** ** see ****** ******* **** *** ****** perspective.

*** **** ** **** ******* ***** that * ****** ** ** *******... cuz * ***'* ***** **** **** readers ** **** ***** ***** **** this ****. **** '**** ** *** bottom ** ****' **** **** ******** this *********:

"China *** '****'

** ** *****, **** **** *** **** **** *** ******* ************* *** 'over' ** '****'.

**** ** **** ** *** ******, held ** ****, **** ******* *** foes ** *** ******* *************, **** Dahua *** ********* ***** ******* ******** the ******.

**** ***** **** *** ******* ************* need ** ****** *** * *** strategy *** ********* ******* ** **** with ***** **********."

*** ***: * ******* **** ***** on ******** ******* ** * **************/****** vehicle... *** ****** **** **** ****** (clearly *** ***) **** **** **** same ******* ****** - *** **** been ****** ***** ** * *** longer **** *** ****.

***** * ** *** **** ******* (who ****** *****[other ****]) personally, Gen IV has been around for more than a decade doing what you do... it was one of the reasons the integrator company I used to work for back in 2006 used their stuff.

JH
John Honovich
May 26, 2019
IPVM

* **** **** *** *** ****** since **'* ****** *** ***** ** the ******** ***.

*** *******,**** ** *** ******** ******* ** ********* **:

***, ** *******'* *********:

** ********* *** ***** *** ***** to *** ****** ****, **** ** integrators *** ***** ** **** ***** revenue, ******* ***** **** - **** **** ** ****** ******. *** **** **** ** ** to ******* **** ********* **% ***?

**** *** **** ***** ********* ** how **** ***** **** *** ********. But ****'* ***** *****.**** ***** ******** ** **** **** 8 ****** ***, ** ********* ****. ** ********* **** **** ********** their ***** ***** ***** **** ** on ****. **** ** *** ****** out ** *** ****. ****, **** have **** ** ****** *** **** is ** ****.

**'* ********* ********* *******, *** **** of *** **** **** ********* ****.

**** **** * '********'? ****** ***** and **** *** ******** ******** * have ****.

** *** **** ******* *****, ******** dependence ** ******** **** ** ************* regime *** ** ******* ** ***'* own ***'* ** **** *** ***** dependent. ***, ** *** **** ***, it's *******.

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U
Undisclosed #2
May 26, 2019
IPVMU Certified

**** *** **** ***** ********* ** how **** ***** **** *** ********. But ****'* ***** *****.

*** **** ******** ** “*** **** will ** ** ** ******* **** something **% ***?”

*** * ***** ******* **** ** referring ** (** ***** ** ****) non-Hikuan ******* ********** ********* **** *** flood ** ***** ****** ********.

*****, **** ** ****’** ******* ****** from ****** ******, ** *** ** legal ** **** ******** ***** *********.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 26, 2019

> *** * ***** ******* **** ** referring ** (** ***** ** ****) non-Hikuan ******* ********** ********* **** *** flood ** ***** ****** ********.

 

***, **** ** ******* **** * am ******. 

U
Undisclosed #1
May 26, 2019

"***, **** ** ******* **** * am ******."

*** **** ********** ******* ** *** imagine ** ******* ********** ** *** US?

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 26, 2019

******** ********, *** * ***'* ****** know. *'** **** *** * ****** answer ***** * *** *** ** church. 

**** ***** ****, ***'* *** ***** selling **** ******* *****, *** ***** after *** *****/***** ******? ****'* ******** our **** **** ** *** ** a ********. 

 

U
Undisclosed #1
May 26, 2019

"******** ********,but * ***'* ****** ****."

** *** **** ** ******* ******* as **** **** ***-***** ******* ** other ******* ****************** *** '*****' ** ********** ***** hardware ** *** ** - **** though ******* ********* *** **** ** **** *** much ********** ******* ** ******* ** the ** ******* ** ** '******' at *** ***** ** ***-***** ******* of ******* ********?

**** ******** ** *** **********.

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U
Undisclosed #2
May 26, 2019
IPVMU Certified

...*** **** ** ******* ******* ** fact **** ***-***** ******* ** ***** Chinese ****************** *** '*****' ** ********** ***** hardware.

** ** **** ** *******, *** ‘flood’ *** ** **********.

* ***** ** **** **** ** grant *** **** ***** ** ****** a **** **** ** ****** ******* and ********* ********* ** *** **, presently.  ** ***** ** **** ***** in *** **, ***** *** ** be * *********** **********.  ***** ****** chain *** ******** ** *********** ***** sales.

** ********* ** **** ******* ******* is, ****** ** ****** *** **** action ******* * ******* ******* **** will **** ***** *******?

** *** *****, ** * **** a ** ******, ************ ** *********** (I’m ***), * ***** ****** *** ban ** ** ****-**** *********** **********, even ** ***** *** * ****** of ****** ***** ******** *********.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 27, 2019

* ** *** ****** ** *******'* do ********. 

** * **** **** ****** ***** 2020 ** ******. ***** ********* ********** is ******. ** **** ***** *** unfair. 

*** *** ***'* ****** * ******* with * ******. *** *** **** defeat ** **** ******* *******.

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CC
Chris Chambers
May 31, 2019

*** *** ***'* ****** * ******* with * ******. *** *** **** defeat ** **** ******* *******.


**** *** ******* ******* *** **** the ******* *** * $*** ******* or ** *** **** ***** ******* with *** ******* ******** *** *******, the ********* *** ** ***** ** the ******* ******** *** *******.  ***'* got **** ** **** ** *** tariff ******?

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 27, 2019

* ***** ****** *** *** ** be ****-**** *********** **********.

 

**** *** ***** ** ** **** with *** ****** **** ** *** president: 

** ********* ****** ***** *** ****** the *********** ** ****** ************ ** Huawei ** **** ** * ******* trade **** **** *******.

*** ****** *** ** * ********** chip. *****'* ** **** **** ******. 

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 27, 2019

* ***'* **** *** **** *** weigh,  *** * **** **** ** you ****, ***'** **** **** **** to *****. 

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U
Undisclosed #1
May 27, 2019

*** **** ***** ******** ***'** ******* that *'** ******** ****** ** ********* with.

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U
Undisclosed #2
May 27, 2019
IPVMU Certified

...*'** **** *** * ****** ****** after * *** *** ** ******.

** ****** ******* **** *** **** you’re ******* ***** *** ********* ******** in *** ****** ** **** ;)

 

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 27, 2019

**'* * ****** ******** ** *** amount ** ********* / ***** ******* in *** **:

**** **** **** ********* ******* ** the *** *** ***** $**** **** year. *****'* ** ******** ***** *** same ** **, **** ****** **** are ***** **** ** *** ** a *******. **** **** ** ** about ******* ******* ** *** **. That's ***** **** ** ** *** a ****'* ******.

** ***** ***** ** **** ** receive * ******** **** ***** *** boat, ** *** ***** ****** ***** 1/3 ** */* * ****'* ****** always ** ***** ** ** *** way, ** ***** ***** ** *********.

*** **** ******** ** *** **** inventory ******* *** ****** ** ****** the ******* ***. ** **** **** significant ******* *********** ******* ** ********* ** *** **, ****** because ********* ******* ** ***** ****** before *** ******* ***. 

*** **** **** ********* *** *** Dahua *** / ***** ****'* **** to *** ******** ****** ********* **, and * *** *****'* * ***** lot. 

JH
John Honovich
May 27, 2019
IPVM

*****'* ** ******** ***** *** **** or **, **** ****** **** *** about **** ** *** ** * company. **** **** ** ** ***** equally ******* ** *** **.

*** ******* ********* ** ***** ** roughly */* ** ********* ***** ** the ** (******* + *** ********). We've **** **** ** ********* ****** records, **** *** *******, **** ***** and ********* ****** **** **, ***. 

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 27, 2019

******,  ****'* *******. 

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
May 27, 2019

* **** ** *********** **** ***'** interested ** *** **** ******* **.  According ** **** ******** **** *** sell ******.  ***'* **** ************ ** dealers ****** ***** ****?

*** ******* *** **** ******, ** that *** *** *** *** *** ********* *** *** * ***** ************ system ** ********** ******!

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 27, 2019

** ******* ****** *** *********** *** of ********?

****, ** **** ** ******* ********. Install ****** **** *** ** **** if **** ****** ** ********** **** an **** ***** ** ***** ***** services. 

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
May 27, 2019

* ***'* ***** **** ******* ****** put *********** *** ** ********, *** I **** **** *******.  ** ****** it * ****** **** - *'* sure ******* ****** ***'* ***** ***** the ********** ******** **** ***** ** a ******* **** ******* **********/********.  (*.*. drought).  ****'** ******** **** ******* ***** their *** ******** **** ***** **** are **********.  

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JH
John Honovich
May 26, 2019
IPVM

*** * ***** ******* **** ** referring ** (** ***** ** ****) non-Hikuan ******* ********** ********* **** *** flood ** ***** ****** ********.

****** ***** ** **** (********* + flood ** ***** ****** ********), *** most ***-****** ******* *******, **** ****** be ****** ****:

********: *** * *** **** ****** is ******* *** $**, *** *** you **** * ******* *** *** $100 ** $***?

********** ******: **** **** ****** ** from * ******* ********** *** ***** rights ****** *** ***** *********. *** only **** **** ****** **** **** that **** *** ******, **** ******* to *** ****** *******, ********, *********, etc. *** ************* ** ********. *** can ****** ** *** *** ***** or *** ** **** ****** ***** for ******* ** *** ****** *** do ***?

*******, ** *** *** *********** *******, as ******* ****, **** **** ** harder (*** *******, ****** *****, ***.), including *** **** *** ****** ** sure ******* ******* ** ****.

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U
Undisclosed #2
May 26, 2019
IPVMU Certified

********: *** * *** **** ****** is ******* *** $**, *** *** you **** * ******* *** *** $100 ** $***?

*****.  **** *** **** ******* *** going ** *** ******* ** ******* cameras ** $** **** ** **** can *** **** ** $**?  

*** *** ******* **** *** ** somewhere, ******** *** ******-*** ** ***-****, where ** *** ****** ** ******* 1st ***** ** *** **** ** the ******.

***** ******** ***’* ****** ******** ****** sales *** ****, *** ******* **** introduce ******** ******* ** * ***** new *********** ** ******...

 

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Klay Anderson
May 30, 2019
Klay Anderson AVL

*** **** **** *******-********** **** * few ***** * **** *** **** several ***** **** *** **** *** years. ** ** *** *** *** the ********* *** *** **** ** in *** ****. **** **** *** similar ***** ** ***** ****** ********** the ****. * ***'* ****** *** from ***, *** *'** ***** ********* of *** **** * *** *****. Also **** **** *'** ********* ***** other ******* ** *********** ** ** those ********* *** ***** ******** **** the ** ********* ******, **** ****. They *** **** ****** ** *** time *********** ** *** ****.

JH
John Honovich
May 30, 2019
IPVM

****, ********* *** **** **** ** at ***** ** *** '***** *****' in *** **** ****, **** ****** they *** ********, *.*. *** '**** ***' ** **** *** Hikvision ********

*** *** **% ******** *** **** one ** ****** **** *** ****** max **%.

* ***'* ***** **** **% *** has ******** ** ** **** *** sanction ****** *** ** ****** **** relate ** *********'* ********** ***** *** marketing ********* ** *** **.

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Klay Anderson
May 30, 2019
Klay Anderson AVL

*******, *** ** * **** *** sell *** *** * *** ** Hikvision (*'* **** ***** **** ****) as * *****, * ********* **** a *** ************. *** ******** *****'* necessarily **** *** ****** ***** (**** or ***) *** ********* ***** *** Hikvision ***** ****** ****. *** *****'* deal **** ********* ****-****. * **** found *** ***** ************ * **** to **** **** **** *** ****** considerably ***** ****** **** ***, **** great ***** *** ******* *** **** factory ****-****. ***** ** ***** ** business * ** **** **** ** comparison ******** ** **** **** *** product * ** *** * ****** for *** ****** **** ** *** 200 ** ** ***** * ** a ****** *** (*** ******* "*", I'll ***** **** ** ***** * RFPs). **** **** ** **** ******* discussion ** **** ** ***** ******** available ** ***, * ** **** to *** **** ***** "*****" *** not ** ** ******* ** *** thinks. ****** ***, ***** ** ***** that *** **** *** ** **** from *** ************. **** ***** ** adjusted **** **** ********** *** ******* discounts (**** ******* * *** ****** sells *** ** "******* *****" *****'* mean ** ******** **** **** ***** on *** *******). ********* ******* **** up **** *** ***** ****** *** and ** **** *****. **, **** up **% *** **** **** **** 15%. *** ***** ******* **% ** more ** *** **** *** *** all ** * ******---** ***'* * real **** **** ** ***.

JH
John Honovich
May 30, 2019
IPVM

****, * ***'* ***** ****. ***** are ******** **** ** *** ********* products - **********, ****-**********, ************, ***** box, ***. * *** **** ********** to **** ***** ***** *** ********* and **** ** *** ********* *****.

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Igor Keel
May 27, 2019
3dEYE

**'** ** *********** ** *** *** this *** ******** ******* *** **** happens ** *** ******** **** ******** banned ***** ** ****. 

 

* **** *********** **** *********** **** systems, **** ** ****, **** *** not **** ****** ***** ******** *** also ******** ***********. ******** *********** *******'* be **** ** *** **** ** tensions **** *** *** ** ***** control. **** *** ***** *** *** future *** **'** **** ** ** leading **** ********** *** *** *******. 

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